Syagrus romanzoffiana

[Nigel]

Some pics of huge trunk Syagrus from the mountains here. Its quite a cold place in winter, normal lows of around -4C but I think the record low is around -10C.

I believe this is the form in Florida known as silver queen or santa catarina queen which is much more frost resistant.

I believe it has a better atribute though of having a lower heat requirement than normal queens.

[John in Andalucia]

Nigel, is this the same as the sp. "Litoralis" that RPS sell?

[Nigel]

Litoralis means from the coast...........

[John in Andalucia]

Litoralis means from the coast...........

And the "Litoralis" mentioned on RPS is said to be found to over 3300ft. That presumably takes it inland as well?

[Nigel]

Litoralis means from the coast...........

And the "Litoralis" mentioned on RPS is said to be found to over 3300ft. That presumably takes it inland as well?

Dont know John......... in that case should be serralis ( from the mountains )

[Rafael]

Beautiful!

Come on now, you detractors...come and say how you hate queens!

[John in Andalucia]

The Florida "Silver Queen" is Litoralis Nigel. At least according to RPS. Whether or not it is found at both high and low (coastal) elevations as it's name would imply, is not clear.

[ErikSJI]

The Florida "Silver Queen" is Litoralis Nigel. At least according to RPS. Whether or not it is found at both high and low (coastal) elevations as it's name would imply, is not clear.

I received some of these seeds. I did not have any luck with them. Did anyone else by chance? Any seedlings out there? Would love to get my hands on one. Great looking tree Nigel.

Erik

[Nigel]

The Florida "Silver Queen" is Litoralis Nigel. At least according to RPS. Whether or not it is found at both high and low (coastal) elevations as it's name would imply, is not clear.

John, silver queen was a name given to some palms that survived a big freeze in florida when all around croaked by Carters seeds. Nobody knew for sure the origin of those trees but they are very similar to the santa catarina queens with smaller rounded seeds, and it was thought these seeds did originate here in south brasil.

Syagrus litoralis was a name given by gaston who used to post here to some queens growing in argentina on the shoreline of the river plate.

So they are not the same thing. I dont know the origin of the RPS seeds so cant comment, but the queens growing up in the mountains are much more robust and would have the better provenance.

Queens grow everywhere in this region like weeeds so the seeds you are buying could be from the coast which never sees frost or the mountains with a totally different climate.

Toby would need to elaborate on the source.......

Edited September 14, 2010 by Nigel

[John in Andalucia]

The Florida "Silver Queen" is Litoralis Nigel. At least according to RPS. Whether or not it is found at both high and low (coastal) elevations as it's name would imply, is not clear.

I received some of these seeds. I did not have any luck with them. Did anyone else by chance? Any seedlings out there? Would love to get my hands on one. Great looking tree Nigel.

Erik

Erik, I sold most of mine, and have about 5 or 6 undersized ones left. I aim to keep those until they are a decent size.

Thanks for the info Nigel.

[Mark Heath]

Nigel,

The Queen palm that i use for pollen in creating my XButyagrus' is the one in the pic. It is pretty large, w/ small fruit in comparison to other Queens that i have. It does though have a sphericle on one end, i'll send a pic of the seed w/ another post.

The palm in this pic is parented from a Queen that survived the 1989 cold blast in Christmas Florida. A small town in the middle of nowhere, so no heat island effect and my grandparents home was in a low-lying area, so this palms parent took the worst and survived! I dug up a small one when both of my grandparents passed away and the property was being sold. Could it be a mountain Giant??

[Mark Heath]

Here is a pic of seed comparison. The Queen pictured above owns the seed to the right, much smaller than another Queens seed that i have here.

[John in Andalucia]

Here is a pic of seed comparison. The Queen pictured above owns the seed to the right, much smaller than another Queens seed that i have here.

My Syagrus "Litoralis" were about the same size as yours, but more elongated. Seed from a local Queen in the picture for comparison.

[Nigel]

John, those syagrus seeds dont come from this region !

Mark, all syagrus here have that small rounded seed, it is for sure from this region and the reason it survived the cold ! It may not be from the mountains, the lower altitude ones have the same seed but I suspect are equally as hardy.

[peachy]

All my queen palms have big or bigger trunks than the one featured. I thought it was because I give them plenty of water and fertiliser. I bought mine in the supermarket plant section, as cocos plumosa. My 2 largest specimens were transplanted here from my old house, where we had nightly frosts for several weeks each year, with the minimums between -3 and -8. They were never even slightly damaged by these temperatures. My only complaint about them is the mess from the fruit and the thousands of seedlings everywhere that are a twice yearly chore to dig out.

Peachy

[Bennz]

Nigel,

The question we are all waiting to be answered is when are you going to start collecting and selling seeds?

[Zeeth]

Nigel,

The question we are all waiting to be answered is when are you going to start collecting and selling seeds?

I agree, I think this would be an especially good plant to collect pollen for XButiagrus growers (especially if crossed with Butia eriospatha)

[Tala]

heres mine, has the tiniest round seed, only way I can separate it from any other Syagrus Queen; stem bole is fairly large, not Roystonea big but similar. Holds many fronds too, almost self cleaning. That silver stuff is a fool's errand.

here's seed

[Walter John]

I'm not a Queen palm detractor, I'm a Queen palm extractor.

[Alicehunter2000]

You find a queen that can reliably survive zone 8.....and you got something that literally millions may buy.

[pogobob]

Some pics of huge trunk Syagrus from the mountains here. Its quite a cold place in winter, normal lows of around -4C but I think the record low is around -10C.

I believe this is the form in Florida known as silver queen or santa catarina queen which is much more frost resistant.

I believe it has a better atribute though of having a lower heat requirement than normal queens.

That is a small compact palm, nothing like the other one you posted in the past

[M@ximus]

I'm not a Queen palm detractor, I'm a Queen palm extractor.

:D :D :D :D

M@x

[M@ximus]

Here two pics of the Giant Romanzoffiana @ Naples Bg

It is the biggest Syagrus Rom. I ever saw

Seeds are small and rounded! In past, I distributed several seeds . Any success with them???

Can you immagine how could be "Butiagrus" using pollen from this palm ??? :drool:

Best M@x

[John in Andalucia]

John, those syagrus seeds dont come from this region !

So they shouldn't, being Litoralis. Perhaps a "Coastal Silver Queen" and "Mountain Silver Queen" are in existence here. Definitely a different form comparing your photo to the one on RPS.

[JEFF IN MODESTO]

All my queen palms have big or bigger trunks than the one featured. I thought it was because I give them plenty of water and fertiliser. I bought mine in the supermarket plant section, as cocos plumosa. My 2 largest specimens were transplanted here from my old house, where we had nightly frosts for several weeks each year, with the minimums between -3 and -8. They were never even slightly damaged by these temperatures. My only complaint about them is the mess from the fruit and the thousands of seedlings everywhere that are a twice yearly chore to dig out.

Peachy

Peachy,

Im with you.

Most if not all of the Queens I see in my city are as large... or larger than the one in the photo..

Perhaps any difference is environmental?

Jeff

[Nigel]

I think this would be an especially good plant to collect pollen for XButiagrus growers (especially if crossed with Butia eriospatha)

It is ! Butyagrus from this region survived severe freezes where the ones imported from Florida all died ! They were side by side in the nursery.

[Nigel]

That is a small compact palm, nothing like the other one you posted in the past

The trunk has similarity but it is true the crown is totally different. This is probably due to the fact it is growing in a relatively poor soil. In truth I started the post for somebodys benefit and found I had deleted all my pics of the really big ones .............

Edited September 15, 2010 by Nigel

[Nigel]

John, those syagrus seeds dont come from this region !

So they shouldn't, being Litoralis. Perhaps a "Coastal Silver Queen" and "Mountain Silver Queen" are in existence here. Definitely a different form comparing your photo to the one on RPS.

John, those seeds dont come from this region,either mountain or coast. I would guess they are from Uruguay or Argentina. The queen here is totally different to the queens in those 2 countries , what is written on the RPS site is erroneous. In summer it is very hot there, unlike this region which because of the mountains remains cooler. Also in those other countries it can get very cold for brief spells, but in the mountains here it is cool or cold for 3 or 4 months almost every day. The queens from here should not be confused with those queens from uruguay and argentina.

Edited September 15, 2010 by Nigel

[Mark Heath]

I'm not a Queen palm detractor, I'm a Queen palm extractor.

:D :D :D :D

M@x

Mark

[John in Andalucia]

Okay Nigel, thanks for clarifying. It's always good to have some sound information.

[Nigel]

I'm not a Queen palm detractor, I'm a Queen palm extractor.

:D :D :D :D

M@x

Mark

1,000,000 x

[maesy]

Nigel

could the queens at your place be the same as the bonsal queens? Like the one Tim Hopper was using for his jubutyagrus cross?

It is huge and very beautiful!

It would be interesting to know how the seeds of Tim's bonsal look like.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=4789&st=480

Marcel

[Nigel]

Nigel

could the queens at your place be the same as the bonsal queens? Like the one Tim Hopper was using for his jubutyagrus cross?

It is huge and very beautiful!

It would be interesting to know how the seeds of Tim's bonsal look like.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=4789&st=480

Marcel

My guess is that bonsal queen = santa catarina queen so I think it very likely.

[Dundo]

Here two pics of the Giant Romanzoffiana @ Naples Bg

It is the biggest Syagrus Rom. I ever saw

Seeds are small and rounded! In past, I distributed several seeds . Any success with them???

Can you immagine how could be "Butiagrus" using pollen from this palm ??? :drool:

Best M@x

M@x do Syagrus you sent me have any connections with this beauties?

P.S. Please contact me about our agreement

Best wishes

Edited September 15, 2010 by Dundo

[FRITO]

Thanlks Nigel for posting. This one in fact is not as large as your others posted in the past, Are all those seedlings comming up around it?

M@x, I never had luck with the seeds from the Giant queen palm from Naples BG. I passed some along to Merrill I don;t know if hew had any luck germinating them.

Peachy and others in California, I encourage you to post photo of these robust queens in your regions, I believe they are out there but overlooked and grown in warmer regions where they are taken for granted.

[Nigel]

Thanlks Nigel for posting. This one in fact is not as large as your others posted in the past, Are all those seedlings comming up around it?

As I said earlier, I deleted all my other photos of bigger queens, but I think the trunk is still atypical of the palm. This place had very poor soil which is why the crown is less impressive.

The pic was taken at a plantation, you can see trachcyarpus and Butia behind with queens planted in front. The Trachcyarpus are in need of permanent fertilisation in this location which is how I know the soil is very poor.

Edited September 15, 2010 by Nigel

[Jeff zone 8 N.C.]

Thanlks Nigel for posting. This one in fact is not as large as your others posted in the past, Are all those seedlings comming up around it?

As I said earlier, I deleted all my other photos of bigger queens, but I think the trunk is still atypical of the palm. This place had very poor soil which is why the crown is less impressive.

The pic was taken at a plantation, you can see trachcyarpus and Butia behind with queens planted in front. The Trachcyarpus are in need of permanent fertilisation in this location which is how I know the soil is very poor.

One of Nigel's other impressive pictures of the Mountain Giant Queen (pulled from the web).

http://realpalmtrees.com/images/shares/clip_image001.jpg

[Rafael]

I'm not a Queen palm detractor, I'm a Queen palm extractor.

:D :D :D :D

M@x

Mark

1,000,000 x

That´s your choice, i think not so many people would extract that beauty you had, but i still like a lot to check your lovely garden!

[Nigel]

Thanlks Nigel for posting. This one in fact is not as large as your others posted in the past, Are all those seedlings comming up around it?

As I said earlier, I deleted all my other photos of bigger queens, but I think the trunk is still atypical of the palm. This place had very poor soil which is why the crown is less impressive.

The pic was taken at a plantation, you can see trachcyarpus and Butia behind with queens planted in front. The Trachcyarpus are in need of permanent fertilisation in this location which is how I know the soil is very poor.

One of Nigel's other impressive pictures of the Mountain Giant Queen (pulled from the web).

http://realpalmtrees.com/images/shares/clip_image001.jpg

Thank you Jeff , yes this was a beauty. In fact I took photos of some with even fatter trunks near to the place where I photographed the palm in this thread but stupidly deleted them.

[SubTropicRay]

Nice specimens locally.