Dypsis Onilahensis

[Urban Rainforest]

Ok, Dypsis Onilahensis makes the whole fakey/ real Ambositrae thing pale by comparison. So far I have 3 completely differant palms all purchased as Dypsis Onilahensis from 3 very reliable palm vendors and I still don't believe I have the weeping form! The first one I planted several years ago is all green with a glaucous crownshaft, very smooth new spear and petiole and is the slowest palm I'm growing. I have 2 in the ground and both even though they are small have bifurcated. The next one I have planted has very dark purple black crown and leaf bases. It is much faster growing and has also bifurcated.I recieved several of The third Dypsis Onilahensis yesterday and it not only is completely differant than the other 2 but is one of the prettiest Dypsis seedlings that I have ever seen! They have shiny leaves that look like Dypsis Mayotte or lanceolata but narrower. They have a saxophone heal , thick roots and look like they would be a strong grower. The thing that really knocked me out was the new spear and newest frond petiole. The petioles vary between hot pink and red    and the new spear has vertical stripes of these colors with light green! So which is the real Dypsis Onilahensis and which ones are the imposters. These palms are all so completely differant that it could'nt possibly be a variability thing. Sorry to add to the Dypsis Confusion Steve

[Tyrone]

Well, as you already know D ohilahensis is very variable. The POM makes this very clear. New red leaf. Doesn't sound like any onilahensis I've ever seen or heard of. Maybe it's new and onilahensis was a convenient name to use at the time by the collector etc.

Pictures of all 3 would be nice. I never get sick of Dypsis mysteries.

regards

Tyrone

[bgl]

Exactly! We thrive on Dypsis Confusion!

And, incidentally, I'm with you Steve. I still don't know if I have a true D. onilahensis. And, needless to say, I have bought a number of palms under that name.

[BS Man about Palms]

Pics Man! show us the PIX!!!!

[quaman58]

I'm uncertain about mine as well. I've read that they may (or may not) be just a version of D. baronii. Now that one of mine is beginning to actually "branch", I'm getting really suspicious..

B/R's

Bret

[Walter John]

brevinoides or something is a variation of onilahensis ?

[Jeff Searle]

(Steve from San Diego @ Aug. 26 2006,00:16)

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Ok, Dypsis Onilahensis makes the whole fakey/ real Ambositrae thing pale by comparison. So far I have 3 completely differant palms all purchased as Dypsis Onilahensis from 3 very reliable palm vendors and I still don't believe I have the weeping form! The first one I planted several years ago is all green with a glaucous crownshaft, very smooth new spear and petiole and is the slowest palm I'm growing. I have 2 in the ground and both even though they are small have bifurcated. The next one I have planted has very dark purple black crown and leaf bases. It is much faster growing and has also bifurcated.I recieved several of The third Dypsis Onilahensis yesterday and it not only is completely differant than the other 2 but is one of the prettiest Dypsis seedlings that I have ever seen! They have shiny leaves that look like Dypsis Mayotte or lanceolata but narrower. They have a saxophone heal , thick roots and look like they would be a strong grower. The thing that really knocked me out was the new spear and newest frond petiole. The petioles vary between hot pink and red    and the new spear has vertical stripes of these colors with light green! So which is the real Dypsis Onilahensis and which ones are the imposters. These palms are all so completely differant that it could'nt possibly be a variability thing. Sorry to add to the Dypsis Confusion Steve

Steve,

  To my knowledge, there are two forms of D. onilahensis. The more common weeping leaf and then the more stiff leaf form. There are both pictures of these in the POM book.They have the glaucous white on the crownshaft.

    The plant with the black color is probably D. pssamophila. And your third plant(seedlings) sounds totally wrong for D. onilahensis. The way you desribed it, it sounds like a lanceolata with the shiny leaves, maybe Pembana. The difference between these two are D. lanceolata has a wider leaflet and a driptip that bends downward. D. pembana has a much narrower leaflet.

   Also, D. onilahensis does not have any pinkish color in the new spear leaf. I hope this helps.

[Jeff Searle]

(Wal @ Aug. 26 2006,09:35)

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brevinoides or something is a variation of onilahensis ?

Wal,

  Chrys. brevinodis is an old name,and not used anymore. Same plant.

[JEFF IN MODESTO]

Here is my Dypsis Onilahensis... is it the weeping type or other?

Jeff

[Jeff Searle]

Yes, you have it. This is the weeping form.

[BS Man about Palms]

Looks like a weeper to me!

Heres a link to one of the nicest ones I've seen in So Cal. at JDAndersens.

http://d30000260.purehost.com/sitebui....sis.JPG

[Fred Zone 10A]

Here's a photo of an even nicer one in Louie Hooper's garden in La Habra.  Sorry I don't have a pic of the whole plant.  On the other side of the sidewalk he's planted a Dypsis baronii, so it's a snap to compare the two palms.  That's a fat queen in the background.

Louie gave me a seedling of this palm about three years ago.  I hope to live to see it as big as its mother.

[BS Man about Palms]

Fred, that looks like one of the "upright models" ?

See ya tommorrow,

Bill

[glbower]

Steve -- that third seedling is identical to the one I received from Floribunda Wednesday. It's got the shiny, narrow leaves, heel and hot pink to dark red petioles. Very good looking palm, but not exactly what I expected it to look like.

Jeff -- I had a lanceolata (croaked) but it had much narrower leaves than my two pembanas, which have very broad leaves for a Dypsis.

[DoomsDave]

Steve!

Pictures!

Please!

Pretty Please, with a red leaf?

dave

[glbower]

Here's the one I received from Floribunda, yesterday. Close up pic follows.

[glbower]

oops. Clicked on wrong pic. That was the close up of the heel and red petiole. I'll try to post one of the whole palm here.

[Dypsisdean]

None of the D. onilahensis I've grown have had a heel. There was a batch of seed labeled as D. onilahensis years ago that turned out to be a plant later called D. brevinodes (a wrong name) aka 'Slick Willy.' Other than that, D. onilahensis is fairly easy to ID.

Here's a pic of the weeping form in a private garden on the Big Island.

Oh, and also, I've found the weeping form gets a much whiter crownshaft, much earlier. Even as a very young plant.

[glbower]

Dypsisdean -- the pic you posted looks like what I thought I was buying. I can't see the one I ended up with, should it live, growing a white crownshaft. If D. brevinodes was the wrong name for the one with the red and the heel, what's the right one?

[Dypsisdean]

glbower,

Sorry if I confused you. I mentioned the D. brevinodes only because the original poster (Steve) may have bought one of those, since they were sold at Jungle Music where he has purchased before.

That new palm from Floribunda looks interesting. I don't recall seeing it before. I'll have to check my seedlings. It's the heel with the color that has me confused.

I can say, the pics you posted is definitely not D. onil. 'weeping form.'

[Urban Rainforest]

Glbower, Thank you for posting those pics!!! That is the same exact palm that I recieved from Jeff Thurs. As Dypsis Onilahensis. Jeff is usually right on the money with his palms but this one looks so differant from any Onilahensis that I have ever grown or seen or for that matter any other palm I have seen. It's definately not Lanceolata or Pembana as I have both of these growing from seedlings to large plants. I'm far from bummed...in fact I'm thinking of ordering more of these mystery beauties. As I said before the heel and the red coloration tripped me up as I too have never seen Onilahensis with a heel. Hey Jeff.. help us get to the bottom of this...which is which and who is who ??? ?   Steve

[Walter John]

Deep dastardly deceptive dypsis dissections to be determined yet again.

There's something decipiens about that one here with heel and red petiole, maybe not, damn dypsis.

[glbower]

Steve, I kind of like it, too, especially the red color. I have to admit the heel looks like a D. decipiens heel. I hope not; my first and last D. decipiens expired two weeks after I bought it, still in the pot. Given this one's unknown ancestry, anyone have an idea of what growing conditions it needs, especially its light requirements?

[Rob Pittman]

I got mine from Jeff a couple years back.

Thanks for the great plant Jeff!

[glbower]

Steve, I kind of like it, too, especially the red color. I have to admit the heel looks like a D. decipiens heel. I hope not; my first and last D. decipiens expired two weeks after I bought it, still in the pot. Given this one's unknown ancestry, anyone have an idea of what growing conditions it needs, especially its light requirements?

[Urban Rainforest]

Rob, I can only hope and wish that the palms I just got from Jeff turn out to look like yours!!! Are those trunks black? Thanks for posting the pic. Steve

[Rob Pittman]

Steve

It seems to have black coloration to the trunks.

Jeff has great palms.  I was just down there and it is hard not to leave with a truck load.

Good luck

[Walter John]

(Steve from San Diego @ Aug. 27 2006,07:25)

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Rob, I can only hope and wish that the palms I just got from Jeff turn out to look like yours!!! Are those trunks black? Thanks for posting the pic. Steve

Here comes that psammopheeling again.

[Dypsisdean]

Rob,

Did you buy that palm pictured above from Jeff Searle as D. onilahensis?

Do you remember if it had a heel?

[BS Man about Palms]

Dean- Thanks for keeping the Jeffs in order!

Truckloads from Jeff Searle

Seedlings mailed from Jeff Marcus

:) ???

[Rob Pittman]

Dean

That is correct...Jeff Searle and yes as onilahensis.

I guess it is the weeping form.  The palm is a real beauty.  The weeping nature stands out against the other Dypsis in the area I planted it with.  The white on the shafts doesn't help it to blend in either.  If the trunks turn out to be jet black....whew!

Rob

[Urban Rainforest]

(Steve from San Diego @ Aug. 26 2006,15:54)

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Glbower, Thank you for posting those pics!!! That is the same exact palm that I recieved from Jeff Thurs. As Dypsis Onilahensis. Jeff is usually right on the money with his palms but this one looks so differant from any Onilahensis that I have ever grown or seen or for that matter any other palm I have seen. It's definately not Lanceolata or Pembana as I have both of these growing from seedlings to large plants. I'm far from bummed...in fact I'm thinking of ordering more of these mystery beauties. As I said before the heel and the red coloration tripped me up as I too have never seen Onilahensis with a heel. Hey Jeff.. help us get to the bottom of this...which is which and who is who ??? ?   Steve

Sorry for the confusion. In my post where I said the palms came from Jeff I meant Jeff Marcus at Floribunda. Steve

[Jeff Searle]

When I recieved seeds many years ago under the name Chrysalidocarpus brevinodis, they all turned out to be D. onilahensis. The more rigid, stiff leaf form. And with less white glaucous on the crown. This is definitely a more rarer form of the two. I will try to post some pictures later this week of the two forms.

 Rob, nice to hear your happy with yours ! I appreciate in hearing from people like your self with a good success story!

[Dypsisdean]

(Steve from San Diego @ Aug. 26 2006,19:32)

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(Steve from San Diego @ Aug. 26 2006,15:54)

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Glbower, Thank you for posting those pics!!! That is the same exact palm that I recieved from Jeff Thurs. As Dypsis Onilahensis. Jeff is usually right on the money with his palms but this one looks so differant from any Onilahensis that I have ever grown or seen or for that matter any other palm I have seen. It's definately not Lanceolata or Pembana as I have both of these growing from seedlings to large plants. I'm far from bummed...in fact I'm thinking of ordering more of these mystery beauties. As I said before the heel and the red coloration tripped me up as I too have never seen Onilahensis with a heel. Hey Jeff.. help us get to the bottom of this...which is which and who is who ??? ?   Steve

Sorry for the confusion. In my post where I said the palms came from Jeff I meant Jeff Marcus at Floribunda. Steve

Title of thread:

Dypsis onilahensis

Total Confusion

I just thought it funny------How are we going to keep our Dypsis straight when we can't even keep our Jeffs straight?  

[Jeff Searle]

Dean.....

  Funny it is, one thing is for sure, both Jeff's are STRAIGHT !!

[glbower]

Now that we have the Jeff thing straight, can any of you Dypsis experts help Steve and me grow whatever it is we purchased.

My record on Dypsis culitvation is only 3-2-1 i.e. thriving -- decaryi, pembana, leptocheilos; croaked -- decipiens, lanceolata; undecided -- cabadae.

I don't want to kill this one.

[Jeff Searle]

My advice would be to plant it in a semi-shaded area. Maybe because of where you live, wait until next spring before you plant it out. It looks a little small now,that way it can get some more size to it before you get it into the ground.

[SunnyFl]

(Dypsisdean @ Aug. 26 2006,15:01)

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Here's a pic of the weeping form in a private garden on the Big Island.

Oh, and also, I've found the weeping form gets a much whiter crownshaft, much earlier. Even as a very young plant.

Dypsisdean, your onilahensis is a beauty!  The combination of those ice-white crownshafts and graceful fronds - makes me remember why the oni is (at present) my favorite!

Rob - yours is a gem too.  I'm looking forward to my little one growing up to look like these.

Jeff - might you have any more onilahensis in Sept - the nice, weepy ones?  Now, that my palm-killing tree is gone

[Jeff Searle]

My OPEN HOUSE SALE will be on Fri. Sept.22nd, Sat. the 23rd. and Sun. the 24th. I will have a large one about 6-7' for display, with smaller ones underneath to sell.

[Walter John]

Here's an angle of my palm purchased as Dypsis onilahensis a couple of years after being planted in semi shade, nice and wet after last night's showers. I adore the leaflets.