Syagrus Pseudococos

[Gtlevine]

Is anyone growing Syagrus Pseudococos? I have seen only a couple photos of this palm, never have seen one in cultivation with trunk. From the photos, it looks like a beautiful palm, so I planted two of them. THe photo below is my larger one, about six feet now. If anyone has a photo of a larger one, please post it.

Gary

http://community.webshots.com/photo....2SJWuMQ

[Dypsisdean]

Gary,

Your favorite palm collector in Vista, who shall remain nameless, has/had one with about 20 feet of trunk when I last saw it 6 or 7 years ago. It was a nice looking palm and didn't seem to have any trouble with the climate.

[RainForestt Robert]

I am not familiar with too many Syagrus, but of those I have seen I consider this to be the most beautiful .............

Robert

[Rob Pittman]

That one looks like Allagoptera arenaria...I love them!

[Jeff Searle]

Robert,

    I know Syagrus flexuosa and S. vagans are clumping species, but this is Allagoptera arenaria in your photo.

[RainForestt Robert]

Thanks Jeff.  That's why we have pros around here!!  Thanks

Robert

[Gtlevine]

(Dypsisdean @ Aug. 26 2006,01:41)

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Gary,

Your favorite palm collector in Vista, who shall remain nameless, has/had one with about 20 feet of trunk when I last saw it 6 or 7 years ago. It was a nice looking palm and didn't seem to have any trouble with the climate.

Hmmmm, I don't know of anyone in Vista with Pseudococos. Jeff B. has some Syagrus, but not Pseudococos, so I'm blank on this.

Gary

[STEVE IN SO CAL]

Dr. D....

[bgl]

This one has about 16-17 ft of trunk. Can't get a better full view.

[bgl]

And looking up into the crown. Sort of a dark sky right now (hoping for rain!), so not the best of conditions.

[Gtlevine]

That truly is beautiful, never could guess that it is a Syagrus, glad I planted a couple. Thanks Bo, who would have guessed that it would be you to come through with the picture. Can't wait to get to Hawaii to see it in person.

Gary

[amazondk]

I was looking at Henderson's book. Palms of the Americas and thought that the Syagrus pseudococos was the palm known as Piririma locally, but then I saw that this palm is native to Southeastern Brazil not to Amazonia.  The piriirima in this region is the Syagrus cocoides.  I think that this is a plant that would make a nice landscape plant.  It grows in the shade of primary forests, is small statured, and real delicate.  I have a small one that we pulled up in the forest about six months ago, it is still alive and looks like it is going to put out some leaves.

dk

Here is a picture I took out in the forest of one.

Another small tree

[DoomsDave]

Don, great pics but how about the one in your garden?

Keep us apprized.

Looks a LOT like a Lytocaryum, which I know are closely related.

dave

[Dypsisdean]

Don,

That is a nice looking Syagrus, with landscape potential. I have never seen one. It looks like it may have silver on the backsides of the leaflets. Does it?

[ruskinPalms]

Any info on frost or cold tolerance?

Thanks.

[amazondk]

Dean,

I believe that the silver look is from the flash, the small plant I have here is all green.  I think that the tree does have good landscape potential.  It is slender and small and a tree understory plant.  The seeds are ripe around Februrary to April I believe.  It would be a good project for me to round some up.

Bill, since this tree is native to our forests here I would imagine that they are not too cold tolerant.  In their environment the coldest temperature they get is slightly under 70F.   Since they are a small tree the would be fairly easy to protect I believe.

dk

[kelen]

I received some S. pseudococos seedlings. Maybe they survive in my climate (south of Brasil, I think is like 9b). I saw one big Syagrus here in Rio Grande do Sul, I'm not sure but remember a S. pseudococos.

[kelen]

Is this a Syagrus pseudococos? This palm don't bear (?) fruits here.

[edbrown_III]

I visited Mark a few months ago... I think this is one or a hybrid -- it has huge seeds.

Best regard,s

Ed

[edbrown_III]

Heres a photo of the large seeds on the tree.

Probably a hybrid but definitive pseudococos blood when you reckon the seed size.

Best wishes,

Ed

[edbrown_III]

it does nt seem to want the photo of the seeds.

[Mark Heath]

Hello Ed,

Thanks for trying to post the seed size! I'll give Gary a shot of a larger Syagrus Pseudococos. Possably a hybrid as well but it has seeds like no other Syagrus,,, HUGE!!!

[Mark Heath]

Here is the palm.

[Eric in Orlando]

Nice palm Mark!

Here is a young one at Leu Gardens;

[edbrown_III]

Here is the palm.

Sorry Mark -- I will get it right yet. Bad head ache that just wont go away --- I am mixing up memories of palm trees.

Best regards

Ed

[FRITO]

This is a nice one! thanks for the photos!

Mark, looks like a nice day for a photo! the palm looks happy!

[gsn]

Here is the palm.

I have seen Marks, Syagrus Pseudococos,and it really is an interesting and beautiful Syagrus!

[Al in Kona]

Gary and others - I have a Syagrus pseudococos growing in the garden. I'm actually surprised it is doing as well as it is since it was planted in a rocky shallow soil area (top soil was mostly removed to level the area along the driveway). Anyway here are two shots of it.

First one was taken about 5 years ago as a very young plant. Second pic is mostly a crown shot and was just taken this year - July '08, however, you can see some trunk which is quite slender and smooth.

[Mark Heath]

Here is the palm.

Sorry Mark -- I will get it right yet. Bad head ache that just wont go away --- I am mixing up memories of palm trees.

Best regards

Ed

Hello Ed,

You did'nt mix them up, the one in your pic has the same huge seeds!!! I suspect though that both of mine are hybrids,

Pseudococos and ???? I hope you feel better Ed, nothin better for a headache than BC powder!!!!

[Mark Heath]

Thanks Frito, Scott, And Eric!

Luke, (frito) i wish i had taken the pic when it was watered. It was our dry season and it normally has fuller leaflets.

It is a water hog!!! Some palms i do not have to give supplemental water, but that one is a thirsty one! It does pretty well in the winter, it has only been burned a little in 2003 when we got down to 28f.

[garrin]

I seem to remember from the first "Genera Palmarum" which I came upon in my graduate school's biology library, a tome which first turned me on to growing palms in a big way, that S. pseudococos likes a rather acid soil. I think for that reason it thrives in the rainy climate of the Hilo area of Hawai'i. Our volcanic rocky soils tend to become very acidic in this climate and support the growth of acid soil loving palms like S. pseudococos. And indeed the seeds are very large, and here they germinate readily just lying on the ground under the mother tree.

[Phil]

Gary,

Remember the thread I did on Mardi Darian's garden a ways back? Mardi has a couple of Syagrus pseudococos about 40 feet tall in Vista, CA. Maybe I caused confusion because at the time I reminded people they were previously known as Barbosa pseudococos, a name fond to some of us who have been around for a while. .

Phil

[kelen]

I think this is a good palm only in frostfree place, I have some seedlings and I planted some seeds in this week, but I'm not hopeful with its good growth here. Have Someone any experience with them in frost place?

[Mark Heath]

I think this is a good palm only in frostfree place, I have some seedlings and I planted some seeds in this week, but I'm not hopeful with its good growth here. Have Someone any experience with them in frost place?

Hello Kelen,

I wish i could answer your question, but mine are not pure, they're hybrids. We get frost every few years and it usually is'nt heavy. 2003 was the last time we had a heavy frost and mine had 20% leaf burn. I relly wish i knew what my two palms were!!!

BTW, i have been told by a few people that Syagrus Picrophylla is almost as hardy as a Queen,, almost!! I have one and it has done very well for me here in zone 9b. It is just starting to develop a trunk and it has only been damaged once in 2003, 20% leaf burn as well. The low temp was 28f.

[Tala]

Don - the cocoides palm is nice, they grow into large tree palms out in the open e.g. Mato Grosso. One easy way to ID them are the prominent veins observed on the leaf surface.

Mark, Ed - pseudococos seed is "beaked", and prominently (kelen's pic shows this). The pic above (w/ golfball) does not. The seed is as well, also has ruminate (darkly streaked) endosperm (again observed on kelen's pic). This is what was used to separate it (as Barbosa) from Syagrus in old days. Ed's pic looks alot like my costae hybrid (yes I have a Syagrus hybrid, and yes this makes me a bit of a hypocrite). But only when its convenient... I will start a thread on the costae, they have an interesting background w/ a recent taxonomic change.

[edbrown_III]

Don - the cocoides palm is nice, they grow into large tree palms out in the open e.g. Mato Grosso. One easy way to ID them are the prominent veins observed on the leaf surface.

Mark, Ed - pseudococos seed is "beaked", and prominently (kelen's pic shows this). The pic above (w/ golfball) does not. The seed is as well, also has ruminate (darkly streaked) endosperm (again observed on kelen's pic). This is what was used to separate it (as Barbosa) from Syagrus in old days. Ed's pic looks alot like my costae hybrid (yes I have a Syagrus hybrid, and yes this makes me a bit of a hypocrite). But only when its convenient... I will start a thread on the costae, they have an interesting background w/ a recent taxonomic change.

Dave,

Thats a good point,,,, I think" it has pseudococos blood" was the operative word---- seed size---Some of the seeds had the beaked architecture..

Take a look at some of the seeds I failed to post earlier --- These were photos off the smaller tree that I downloaded.

they have the beaks that guided my remarks on the psuedococos blood.. Your are right tho the rounded seeds are x costae like--- the tree didnt have the ranking tho but hell for all the mixed characteritics Marks tree might be a cousin of yours!

Best regards

Ed

[edbrown_III]

photos wont post for some reason

[kelen]

i have been told by a few people that Syagrus Picrophylla is almost as hardy as a Queen,, almost!! I have one and it has done very well for me here in zone 9b. It is just starting to develop a trunk and it has only been damaged once in 2003, 20% leaf burn as well. The low temp was 28f.

[kelen]

I have 2 Syagrus macrocarpa seedlings too. If they don't survive in winter... I will die. I'm going to recieve S. cocoides, S. ruschiana seedligs this week. I believe that Syagrus is a good "gênero" to my climate, except S. pseudococos from my list

[edbrown_III]

I have 2 Syagrus macrocarpa seedlings too. If they don't survive in winter... I will die. I'm going to recieve S. cocoides, S. ruschiana seedligs this week. I believe that Syagrus is a good "gênero" to my climate, except S. pseudococos from my list

Good luck on the trials--- I tried S. glaucescens and it was killed by a -3C frost , perahps there is some variability in the cold hardiness of this and I was unfortunate to have a frost sensitive one.

Best regards

Ed