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I had a bunch of different seedlings from baypalms.eu. A lot were exotic and rare Dysis species and some were Vetchias. If they were big enough, they went in the ground. Most of the smaller ones never made it that far. Funny how you would be thrilled to have Vetchias. I've never given them much thought. My dream palms are Areca Vestiaria and tropical Pinanga species. The former, I have a source lined up. Maybe they wild work but minimum, they will be a massive challenge. My climate is a bit warmer than yours. Funny thing about this hobby is you're less likely to grow the stuff you know you can grow and more likely to grow the stuff you probably can't.

If you want a definitive list - this is what works and look good. Zone 9A Portland. Surviving and looking like crap don't count: Trachycarpus fortunei, wagnerianus, princeps, nainital, nova, takil Chamaerops humilis Jubaea chilensis Butia odorata BxJ and JxB Chamaedorea radicalis Rhapidophyllum hystrix Sabal minor, Louisiana, Birmingham, rosei, brazoriensis Others I had Livistona nitida for 5 years in a protected spot and it never took damage so for me this is a maybe Sabal uresana "highlands form". Very slow but I had it for 5 or 6 years in ground. One year it got nuked and I thought it died, but it came back bigger Sabal palmetto - I only had mine for 2 years so I never got to fully test it Trachycarpus fortunei hybrids - unavailable to me at the time but I know most crosses would survive

At this age they don't got any spines though. Only small spines in the edges of the fronds. I think they start forming them at juvenile stage when new fronds come out split.

Next time i'll actually be smoother on my purchases, going to get an Arenga engleri to plant in the sidewalk. The neighbor has a little kid who sometimes plays on the sidewalk of my house and of course it worries me that he can get injured with the Acrocomia that I planted there.

As is the case w/ ..pretty much any journey, all good things must come to an end ...For the moment at least. Back on flat earth, ...taking in the views while thinking back on views from the past, i find myself a bit perplexed ..and a bit awe - struck by what is in view.. I mentioned " Unexpected, Golden ribbons " in the title of this thread and while there is often bits of the gold stuff lighting up yards in neighborhoods all over town this time of year out there, I'm quite surprised to see a common ..and much admired.. " creek - side " native putting on quite a stunning show.. ...A Fall - season show i honestly can't recall ever being this vivid.. Growing up here, respectable, Fall season color is generally restricted to various introduced tree species like Ginko, Liquidamber, Modesto Ash ..Walnut ( English, specifically ..We have a native sp that can color up nicely too, but they tend to be more sporadic and on the smaller side ) and of course, Chinese Pistache.. Every so often, you might see a few " eastern " Oak sps. planted which can light up as the weather cools, though what " fall show " they put on is often muted, compared to back east. CA natives, that ditch their leaves this time of year, can put on a decent show too ..in certain places, and under specific conditions that aren't as common out here as places further north or east.. CA. Black Oak, Ore. White Oak, Blue Oak, ..Black Walnut, Big leaf Maple, and the occasional Cottonwood ( Fremont's ) all are native trees that count as California's contribution to that classic " look " one might expect to see in the fall outside the tropics.. In many places in the state that stay fairly mild or warm at that time, such a show is often muted / the colors presented duller than if conditions were more ideal.. The last contender for CA fall color, Platanus racemosa ( CA. Sycamore ) often falls into the least show - worthy category ..More often than not anyway.. While they too shed most / all their leafy clothes each fall, generally, leaf color is often a dull, ho - hum brown that really isn't all that interesting.. While i don't doubt there have been years where they'd color up a bit better, i really can't recall an " extra - vivid " year in all the time i lived out there.. ..Was it the rare, late summer / early fall rains seen here, followed by some cool-ish nights / warm -ish days afterward? ..or something else / ...combo of x and y factors.. that lead to what i'm seeing now as i walk and reminisce among giants.. I know where i am, but, looking around, my mind is taking me to places back east, or up a few thousand feet into the cooler nights this time of year mountains here / in Southern AZ looking at specimens of Arizona's Sycamore( P. wrightii ) which can color up a bit better in the fall compared to P. racemosa. As this impromptu trip closes out, a look at some very un- characteristically vivid Cali fall color from a typically un - interesting ( ...in that respect ) iconic California / American tree while revisiting a couple final spots. We like to say California is the Golden State and, this year at least, it's living up to that reputation, up here at least. Posted a check in on these here somewhere else but, a couple shots of the infamous " Greystone Loquat(s) " quietly doing their thing among golden giants.. Plaque that i assume means this spot is protected from being destroyed.. Blast from the past: Little, Big Eared brat spies ..Large, Big Eared brat.. Obvious size difference aside, ..i think they're evenly matched, 😂🤣 ..Since they can clock in at speeds reaching / exceeding 35mph, ...when they want to, ( ...I mean, ...When there's something furry and tasty to be chased down ) not a chance i was about to let the little, big eared brat pursue the big eared one.. Adolescent Basenji pursuing a similar - aged < assumed > Mule Deer would be an interesting sight to see though. lol. ..Anyway, More unexpected gold near the 'Quat Grove... Young, CA Black Walnut ( Juglans californica ) on the left, adding more gold to the view.. Roadkill for lunch? ..Hey there guy, everyone's gotta eat, right?. - s up thanks to our winged road crew heros.. Cathartes aura Possum? Squirrel? ..or Cat a 'la carte? Thanks for you're self-less, -and priceless- service, guy ( or lady.. ) Valley Oak Grove within Pfeiffer Park, another spot i played a part in helping bring to life.. Another one of those " Trail Days " volunteer events. While i'd hoped to reach the location where some Taxodium specimens i spied elsewhere in the past were located on this visit, i'll settle for encountering this gangly Redwood near the Oak grove, for now.. Highly doubt it reaches Big Basin - size status down here ..any time soon, if ever.. Taxodium? ..Bald or Montezuma? ...that's a different story. ...Still finding it hard to fathom just how incredible all the Sycamore were looking this year.. A gifted to my eyes sight that won't soon be forgotten. A couple Fungi - inspired final shots.. No clue regarding the species but assuming they're associated with the Oaks in the area ..aand probably not edible, lol.. ..A few, final thoughts, before the 12+ hour ride back to the desert home.. While the circumstances leading to this trip weren't all about all these views, as mentioned, they provided necessary medicine and reflection at a time when it was needed.. Some might not understand that kind of " medicine " but, those who do, comprehend exactly what i'm rambling on about. Focus of the trip not only played a part in that silently taught life lesson, but inspired the curiosity to expand upon it. As far as that is concerned, while time is short for us all, if ..after 102 ..and a half.. years of time beneath your feet, you're able to " add a few minutes to that clock ", I think you're doing pretty good.. Shot of Mt. San Gorgonio while rollin' into San Burnin' D. ..Ironic since i'd just passed through a fire / heavy smoke ( Looked like someone smacked a pole under an overpass along that part of the 210.. ) about a half hour prior. Gotta say, as expensive as homes / other stuff might be back there, esp. back in the neighborhood, grocery prices seemed pretty similar to what they are here at the moment.. No doubt that kind of stuff varies, depending on where you're at but,.. i was more surprised than shocked by what i noticed. Gas wasn't bad, ..for Cali $' es, either. We'd been in a similar range around the valley not too long before the trip. Arizona - inspired drinks for instance? ..currently close to 2$ locally, where i get them at least . Found em' on sale for ..89cents.. at one of the old neighborhood Safeways.. I should've looked at the regular price, lol. Until next time, Golden State..

That doesn’t appear to be a palm. May we see the entire plant. It does appear to be a fungal attack though.

This looks like "rust". I don't think this is a palm. It looks more like a fern.

The flower reminds of Epidendrum falcatum or parkinsonianum but not the leaves. What a pleasant surprise. This bloom is a pleasant gift coming out of the boot of a Pritchardia. I cut the start off a larger plant which has been in my gardens for well over 15 years but the parent isn't blooming right now. This cutting has been bouncing around the garden with this boot being it's latest host. Parent plant shown below too.

I appreciate the intel. I have a bunch of baby Trachy fortunei that I started from seeds I collected in Anacortes from a trio of palms that sailed through a brutal 24 hours of 20 knot winds hammering them relentlessly at 9 F / 10 F, the 2023-2024 freeze. They came through looking completely unscathed. I bought some Butia x Jubaea seeds but I didn't have any germination. I stuck some Jubaea seeds in the ground rather than wait for ... ever, fussing indoors. No sign of germination from those yet ... I need to either up my seed game or just buckle down and purchase started palms if/when available!

The one at my old house survived. The street view was updated June 2025 and it has grown considerably.

It definitely matches the look of ones that I grew from seed. However I find them to be one of the fastest growing Sabals, mine are about the same size as the photo in under a year from germination.

Yep, total waste of time. I still have a latisectus, that I dug up before I moved. Hopefully get it in the ground next year and we'll see how it does.

I'm only half an hour drive from Hastings, but my expected high is a mere 36C tomorrow!

No worries! Anacortes, Sequim, Port Townsend, Bow, etc. as well as Whatcom County (Bellingham etc.) makes up one of the very few areas of the USA that have *colder* average winter minimum temperatures in the USA compared to previous decades due to a trend of stronger weather patterns increasing the strength and reach of the Fraser outflow Squamish winds!

Thanks so much for the update, @ShadyDan! I am familiar with Ian over in Sequim from his blog years ago!

Absolutely one of my favourites in the palm world. And as most people are aware of there is no shortage of joeys in my part of the world. Your one is an absolute treasure and lucky to survive narrowly avoiding a near death situation from a falling tree! They are actually easy to grow and quite tough, just add water!

I'm the opposite pots = more care and having to arrange storage for them when its cold because them coming inside with gnats just isn't happening ever again 😂

Chambeyronia oliviformis powering on and opening a new frond yesterday despite a maximum of 44C/111F with 75km/h (46mph) winds. Tough palm. The nearby Chrysalidocarpus lanceolatus which also decided to open up a frond in the oven wasn’t so lucky. The heat and wind sucked the moisture from the frond and it wilted quickly.

Agree. I had about 100 seedlings and out of that group only 2 of them survived the second winter in 8b. Tanner probably told you about that. I gave him a few and I think they died too. I would venture to say they might be the least hardy trachy besides latisectus. I won't ever try them again.

Only the trachy will survive. If you are serious about palms that will survive in the PNW look into Jubaea chilensis and Butia odorata. I'm also having luck with another species that I'm reserving my opinion on until it gets through a few more winters. Also, there are other types of Trachy to consider like princeps that do very well in the PNW. Chamerops humilis is another good one.

Aloha Scott, if you have 50 Coc mac seeds still, I’d love to buy them.. will send pm. Thanks!

Several posts were deleted - per the guidelines limiting controversial posts. Remember - buying palms/plants online here (and anywhere for that matter) carries some level of risk, from plain old scammers to incorrectly identified plants - well meaning or otherwise. It is always buyer beware and you are encouraged to ask questions. But rude comments back and forth debating the authenticity of what is offered for sale is considered controversial and inappropriate conversation, so not allowed - and will not positively settle any argument one way or the other. It is not unusual (and difficult) at times to ID palms from photos alone. So some level of cordial scrutiny will be allowed, and we will try to walk that fine line.

@Hilo Jason Beautiful and well-sited!

Even in the heat of winter I've got some germinated indoors on a heat mat. One of the Carpoxylon macrospermum in this baggie just shot right through the plastic! 😆

Anybody out there with these guys? Hit me back, thanks!