PalmTalk IPS Member Icon Poll

[PALM MOD]

Since this is about a Palm Icon for PalmTalk I think it warrants being in this Forum. Besides, everyone here will have to look at it.

If you haven't seen it yet, you may want to check out the topic that started all this. The IPS is considering a new logo, and your feedback would be appreciated. HERE

However, it has opened up a can of worms that may or may not be settled anytime soon. I'm guessing it may take awhile. So, we are stuck with figuring out what to live with as the IPS Member Icon until the IPS makes a decision on a logo. If you care, or have a preference, please register a vote. I'll wait about a week, unless the voting is overwhelmingly to one side before then. Here they are listed in the order they have made their appearance, along with one that has not yet been used.

1)

2)

3)

4)

5)

6)

[Walter John]

Look at that, first to vote. Thanks to all the volunteer administration workers on the palmboard team and a very merry christmas.

[John in Andalucia]

Dean, why are you including "3 of your own" and only my first logo idea and not the second, which was submitted as an improvement on the first? And why are you changing the logo already? I thought it was the IPS logo we were considering, not a PalmTalk logo. It's only a "can of worms" if you want it to be - besides you seem to be calling the shots anyway, so it's pointless me contributing any further.

And no, I didn't vote for myself!

[Palmə häl′ik]

I've noticed that too John...

I think people think they own this place...

Little do they know, it's accessed be the WWW...

Duh... It's everyones site.

Public Domain. Changing IP address's is NOT hard.

The mods around here must've gotten picked on in Junior High School...

They're gettin' all their 'get back' now...

I like #5, although the lettering could be centered...

Maybe the lettering just a little darker to stand out against the white too...

[PALM MOD]

Dean, why are you including "3 of your own" and only my first logo idea and not the second, which was submitted as an improvement on the first? And why are you changing the logo already? I thought it was the IPS logo we were considering, not a PalmTalk logo. It's only a "can of worms" if you want it to be - besides you seem to be calling the shots anyway, so it's pointless me contributing any further.

John (and Ray),

I am not looking at this as a "mine," or "yours," or "anyone's." I boxed myself into a corner, and I was hoping for some help out instead of criticism.

I received a request from the IPS to use the icon I created, and that we had been using for the last few years, as an IPS logo. There was initially a desire to have a logo that would work for both. In fact, one that would work for everything. I offered to improve it since it was a very poor graphic. I believe even you said what I put up was an improvement.

Then there were what I perceived as requests to tone it down, make it less "cartoon" like - which I did. Then in the course of the recent thread which opened the "can of worms," I offered one more, and you offered one more. So, at this point I became confused as to what should be used on PalmTalk until the logo question was decided. I needed a temporary solution. I didn't know which to use. I didn't think anyone wanted to go back to the old one at that point. So instead of "calling the shots" (as you put it), I thought the membership would like a say in the matter.

I apologize if you are offended I didn't include your "second" creation. I didn't think it was intended to be a candidate for the IPS Member Icon. I have included it per your request.

And if you will let me know which one of "yours" you would like me to place in use, I will gladly do so. I'll place "your" colored one up for now. All I am trying to do is figure out which one to use until the decision has been made. I don't care. I just thought I would ask for help in making an interim decision. Who do you think should decide? If I went back to the old one, I would still be accused of using one of "mine." And the worst of the bunch at that. But that one is included in the poll as well, if that is what the members would like.

[Davidl]

Dean,

Thanks for the opportunity to vote. Actually I like several of them and I thought # 2 wasn't bad and #6 is ok too. But I voted for #5

[amazondk]

Dean,

I like number 5 best.

dk

[palmislandRandy]

Living in Palm Beach County Florida everything is named palm this & palm that, I see tons of palmy logos every day! I chose #5 because it's unique & not too cartooney. Moderatering is a thankless job! Randy

[www.dadluvsu.com]

Dean, why are you including "3 of your own" and only my first logo idea and not the second, which was submitted as an improvement on the first? And why are you changing the logo already? I thought it was the IPS logo we were considering, not a PalmTalk logo. It's only a "can of worms" if you want it to be - besides you seem to be calling the shots anyway, so it's pointless me contributing any further.

And no, I didn't vote for myself!

John,

I can understand how you feel. You contributions have been a big help. Don't think they have gone unappreciated.

I'm not sure why the IPS membership status of Palmtalk ever got changed in the first place, hopefully it'll stay put for a while. I too thought the goal was to create a logo that suited all possible needs. This needn't become personal for anyone. Between you and me, I still think the logo we've created needs something... Haven't yet put my finger on it YET but it's still a work in progress that I do not think is ready for a final print. Thanks for bouncing ideas with me.

Bill

[freakypalmguy]

I've noticed that too John...

I think people think they own this place...

Little do they know, it's accessed be the WWW...

Duh... It's everyones site.

Public Domain. Changing IP address's is NOT hard.

The mods around here must've gotten picked on in Junior High School...

They're gettin' all their 'get back' now...

I like #5, although the lettering could be centered...

Maybe the lettering just a little darker to stand out against the white too...

Looks like someone never made it past Junior High level maturity.

[John in Andalucia]

I'd have said no to the poll idea, since the results won't mean much until the creative process has gone as far as it can. I thought the new logo topic was getting creative, with plenty of support to continue submitting ideas. I just think a poll is jumping the gun, and switching the forum graphics unannounced is going to look odd to people would aren't tuned in to what we're doing. What's the rush? I thought we were thrashing out ideas, and as Kim said, "raising the bar" with the ideas submitted so far.

I would like to continue submitting designs for as long as it takes. We have two very different approaches here, I know. Dean's ideas bring colour and excitement to the design table, whilst my ideas - and possibly yours too, Bill - address a more corporate feel. For a "society" logo, that shouldn't be overlooked.

I enjoy the design process. I studied 5 years at art college, working in corporate, and brand packaging design, both 2 & 3-dimensionally. I know how ideas are conceived and presented, and how long it takes.

So, are we looking for one logo here? The design I proposed in #5 which has a photographic element, has already been proven to work only as a web page graphic, or for use in a full colour publication. Maybe if it was 'detachable' somehow then it could have broader uses. I won't say any more here, and lets see where it leads over in the other topic.

[www.dadluvsu.com]

Dang John, I really likeyour art over there under my name. Way to go bro!

No matter what the out come of the logo I vote we keep that icon there!

[Jeff Searle]

Dean, (and others)

Thanks for all your hard work. It's a shame that a select few have to be so negative. You guys are doing a great job.

Jeff

[Tyrone]

Dean, (and others)

Thanks for all your hard work. It's a shame that a select few have to be so negative. You guys are doing a great job.

Jeff

Ditto that. There must be so much that the moderating team have to do. I just hope they don't lose heart and decide "not to give a rats" anymore. It would see Palmtalk disintegrate.

You're doing great guys. It's appreciated

I like the new logo. It looks palmy and professional.

Best regards

Tyrone

[freakypalmguy]

Dean, (and others)

Thanks for all your hard work. It's a shame that a select few have to be so negative. You guys are doing a great job.

Jeff

Ditto that. There must be so much that the moderating team have to do. I just hope they don't lose heart and decide "not to give a rats" anymore. It would see Palmtalk disintegrate.

You're doing great guys. It's appreciated

I like the new logo. It looks palmy and professional.

Best regards

Tyrone

I'd like to echo that as well. This is, by far, the best ran site I'm involved in.

Thank you guys,

Matt

[Kris]

I voted for the 6th option and i like it,it looks serious enough.But the one seen now is so big that it would be difficult to make out ones own avatar..?

kris.

[John Case]

Picked #3 for internal use only.

As to something for t-shirts etc, I think none of them are iconic enough yet.

[SW_FL_Palms]

Picked #3 for internal use only.

As to something for t-shirts etc, I think none of them are iconic enough yet.

For #5 - could something be done so that the bottom of the letters don't "disappear".?

[Jerry@TreeZoo]

Dean, (and others)

Thanks for all your hard work. It's a shame that a select few have to be so negative. You guys are doing a great job.

Jeff

See, even Jeff says you're doing a heck of a job Deano!

If we are just talking about an icon on this forum to determine who is or ain't an IPS member, then almost anything will do. You could change the member status to "Forum Member" or "IPS Member" and that would work. You could just use the words instead of an icon, but what fun is that?

The photo type icon is great for this forum (although the bottom half of the letters are hard to read) but it would be unsuitable for a corporate logo. The old logo created by Lester Pancoast is attractive but doesn't always transfer well or read well, especially when smallified. It does kind of look like a green tick when reduced.

If we want a corporate logo that reads well and is easily understood by non palm heads, then the last one is the way to go. I own an embroidery business and see good logos and bad logos every day. It needs a little tweaking but if you want an iconic logo that is instantly recognized on print media, shirts, letterhead, city buses or sky writing, you need to go with number 6.

[_Keith]

I didn't vote because I think it is still to early. Plenty of time for new ideas to pop up and refinements of existing designs. What's the deadline here?

[Palmə häl′ik]

Haters. That's all.

Looks like you CA folk are all about communism eh.

You don't like to be heard, you like to be told.

To each their own, I reckon... but if folks don't VOICE their opinion, they aren't heard.

I dunno, I'm 34, and done pretty effin' good for myself, if you ask me...

My house is almost paid for, my vehicles are paid for, my boats paid for, all my toys are paid for...

So you gotta understand, I am who I am. I haven't gotten where I've gotten by being a subordinate.

I call it how I see it. That's what America is all about.

You all need to wipe your noses, theirs brown stuff all over 'em!

[BS Man about Palms]

Picked #3 for internal use only.

As to something for t-shirts etc, I think none of them are iconic enough yet.

For #5 - could something be done so that the bottom of the letters don't "disappear".?

Thats the only reason thats not my favorite. And I also like the one Pivi generated, but isn't on this poll. Hopefully there will be more polls. (with more entries I hope also)

No vote here yet.

[BS Man about Palms]

As far as the other undercurrent running here. I just believe its polite to question, THEN accuse, and not in the same breath. Hard to hear an answer that way. Maybe its like Mr Deeds. (I watched the original last night)

[yachtingone]

I voted for #6 because I like tee shirts. I think #5 looks better but I don't think it will look good on a tee shirt or hat!

[John in Andalucia]

I agree with Kris about the risk of user avatar's being over-shadowed. Here are a few variables.

These are cropped versions, incorporating an added logo. #5a is a transparent version (see example above). The circular logo that Bill produced looks like a copyright symbol, which I think adds a little status to the acronym.

#5a

#5b

For one-colour printing, the background image could be removed..

..or with transparency, used as a watermark.

Some examples applied..

Here is the original version of #6

I just realised I meant to post all of this in the other topic, never mind. To address the issue of the lower half of the IPS logo 'disappearing', that was done to make it less impactive. I will do some variables on that one, but I wanted the full name to impact before the "IPS" acronym.

[Kris]

Dear John

Very glad your back ! And i like your spirit... And hope even Dear Brandon clicks in with his valuable comments..

Thanks & love,

kris

[Don]

John is going in the right direction but Id like to see some competition, post 25 will be hard to beat.

Semper Fi

Don

[Palm Guy]

Hi all,

First of all I liked all the different options. The cartoony palms were great and I liked the work John and Bill laid out for us. Really professional looking.

I read the previous posts on the other thread and decided to draw out some really rough ideas late last night. My pc is out of commission so I'm using my brother's pc. I won't be able to do some heavy duty rendering until my new pc comes in.

Here are two of my initial drawings. I have more to come but I didnt want to hog the company scanner all morning. I need to use a finer pencil and to draw more definitive lines. We may be able avoid some of the ''leaflet'' rendering issues if I can re-draw on a larger scale. Again, these are really ''in the rough'' deas but anyone is welcome to use spin offs or add graphical details. I'm just using this as a guide as I would like to see:

[Palm Guy]

Second one with Bizzie, Veitchia and Cocos on an island. Again very rough...feel free to change it up. If anyone likes these I can put more work into making a larger more detailed version which they can add graphical details ie color shading etc. I just dont want to put tooo much time into something that nobody wants.

[DoomsDave]

I voted for 6 -- simple, elegant, and easilyi seen, even on a less-advanced computer.

[fiji jim]

I like the simple clean look of #6.

Says it all without over-powering other logos etc.

But sorry to see that some feel the right to try to knock the work of others.

Let's have some positive comments and keep away from expressing the negative.

Thanks again for your work MOD.

Jim

[Kim]

I see I am late to this party. Choosing to abstain; as others have said, it seems too soon to vote. But I see John's pleasant design is currently in place. Why not rotate them all over the next several days? Give them all a trial run while yet more interesting developments occur? (I'm trying to see how much more of your time Palmtalk can monopolize. ) You're a good sport, Dean, where would we be without you?

[Mark_NoVA]

Nice drawings! It's nice to see more ideas coming out.

Second one with Bizzie, Veitchia and Cocos on an island. Again very rough...feel free to change it up. If anyone likes these I can put more work into making a larger more detailed version which they can add graphical details ie color shading etc. I just dont want to put tooo much time into something that nobody wants.

[Tyrone]

Haters. That's all.

Looks like you CA folk are all about communism eh.

You don't like to be heard, you like to be told.

To each their own, I reckon... but if folks don't VOICE their opinion, they aren't heard.

I dunno, I'm 34, and done pretty effin' good for myself, if you ask me...

My house is almost paid for, my vehicles are paid for, my boats paid for, all my toys are paid for...

So you gotta understand, I am who I am. I haven't gotten where I've gotten by being a subordinate.

I call it how I see it. That's what America is all about.

You all need to wipe your noses, theirs brown stuff all over 'em!

Get over yourself mate. This is the International Palm Society, not the US Palm Society.

[PALM MOD]

I'd have said no to the poll idea, since the results won't mean much until the creative process has gone as far as it can. I thought the new logo topic was getting creative, with plenty of support to continue submitting ideas. I just think a poll is jumping the gun, and switching the forum graphics unannounced is going to look odd to people would aren't tuned in to what we're doing. What's the rush?

John,

Since you didn't understand my predicament, and my attempt to resolve it, perhaps others missed my point as well.

Last night I determined I needed to make a decision. Having been through the decision making process with the IPS more than once, I realized this logo issue may take a long time to resolve. So, I had three choices, as I saw it.

1) Go back to the old logo.

2) Keep one of the new "island" ones I replaced it with.

3) Have a poll to settle on an interim solution.

1 - I didn't know if going back to the old logo, with better options already available and in play, was the best choice. 2 - I was afraid at this point that unilaterally deciding might not be the best approach (which you confirmed). 3 - So, I thought a poll was the answer, and that it would also generate more interest in the process, which it has.

Every decision I make can go one of several ways. Some members agree and stay quiet. Some disagree and stay quiet. Some disagree and voice their disagreement without disrespect, and resentment. Some actually get mad. And some others actually disagree with almost every decision I, Bo, or the Directors make. But someone has to "call the shots."

Since this choice is only temporary, and you and a few others are unhappy with how I have handled it, why don't you make the decision? I am serious. Since you don't approve of the poll, or of me making the decisions, why don't you just pick or design a new temporary IPS Member Icon, or decide to go back to the old one. I am very comfortable having you make that decision. Then I can close this poll now, curtail anymore bickering, and we can go back to designing an IPS logo.

[Pivi]

Since i see other posting their suggestions here, i'll post mine too.

Any variatons can be made.

Outline or no outline. Outline width, color.

Fill or no fill. Fill color

Edited December 8, 2009 by Pivi

[PALM MOD]

I see I am late to this party. Choosing to abstain; as others have said, it seems too soon to vote. But I see John's pleasant design is currently in place. Why not rotate them all over the next several days? Give them all a trial run while yet more interesting developments occur? (I'm trying to see how much more of your time Palmtalk can monopolize. ) You're a good sport, Dean, where would we be without you?

Kim,

A worthy suggestion, but since I have lost my enthusiasm for what I intended as some improvements for PalmTalk/IPS, and this is an issue that will eventually have to be discussed and decided by the Board of Directors or others, I intend to take a back seat as soon as John will just pick or design something to use for the time being. I've cleared a good deal of forest, and have planted almost 40 palms since your recent visit. That is a much more rewarding way to spend my time.

[LJG]

Last I checked none of the Mods live in California.

Haters. That's all.

Looks like you CA folk are all about communism eh.

You don't like to be heard, you like to be told.

To each their own, I reckon... but if folks don't VOICE their opinion, they aren't heard.

I dunno, I'm 34, and done pretty effin' good for myself, if you ask me...

My house is almost paid for, my vehicles are paid for, my boats paid for, all my toys are paid for...

So you gotta understand, I am who I am. I haven't gotten where I've gotten by being a subordinate.

I call it how I see it. That's what America is all about.

You all need to wipe your noses, theirs brown stuff all over 'em!

[LJG]

This is the one I vote for.

Also, except for #6, none of the others will be cheap to print. The IPS will waste additional dollars on extra color charges, etc.. #5 is the best for marketing materials or ads, but is a bad idea for a logo.

Since i see other posting their suggestions here, i'll post mine too.

Any variatons can be made.

Outline or no outline. Outline width, color.

Fill or no fill. Fill color

[Palm Guy]

Dean you're doing a good job mate. Can't please everyone thats for sure! With a topic like this everyone will have a differing opinion.

But when you put it into perspective, it is only a logo, so I'm fine with whatever most members choose. A vote would be nice. As it stands, I think its a tossup between 5 or 6, but I would like to see some more options or have a few more members input their work.

We probably would need a deadline for submitting designs, as we could go on and on with thousands of different options but I'm overstepping my boundaries on that topic, that is between yourself, Bo and the other directors. And when that date comes we can all take a vote (including the board of directors) .

Perhaps a guideline for submissions would be helpful as I really don't know how the IPS wishes their logo to be portrayed by the viewing public. The current options in the poll each have their different effect. IE the first three strike me as more fun and whimsical. The last three are more 'down to business'.

Just my two cents!

Cheers,

Mike