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In my area , it has been very dry . My daughter in San Diego has had rain already this year but here at our place , it has missed us. Saturday it rained lightly , not a gully washer but steady , light rain. Sunday I went out and just enjoyed the ambiance. The cool , damp feeling of nature watering my garden for me! I am pretty good at watering but I can’t compete with nature and rain. The nurturing of the rain after the brutal , harsh wind we had not long ago is very welcome . I just had to get out and enjoy. Harry it started with a walk down the west side of the house Oh , look! A new leaf emerging on my Pritchardia! The Chrysalidocarpus Lutescens enjoyed the rain as did the front yard!

I can’t help myself I had to buy another 500 Joey seeds seeing as I love them that much. It’s a ten year project to grow the best I can over those years and beyond into retirement for a couple of palms to sell. An investment into my retirement fund hopefully one day iam sure in ten years or more the market in my area will have changed as it is slowly changing now. With more people moving into the area building a lot of houses and retirement plans The seeds are sown in coco coir perlite mix and will be placed in the hothouse one box I placed on top of heat mats just for fun. I have germinated them before without heat mats just fine there quite tough Joey palms very forgiving in most departments except for watering let them dry out and it’s game over. I also purchased 200 licuala paludosa just for fun to grow a few on the side I like slow growing palms there my preference in palms. Fast growing palms I don’t really have the patience for constantly repotting and the maintenance involved in the cultivation of them it’s just to much work

Ceroxylon quindiuense, small 5-gallon, March, 1983

I have been collecting seeds of this chambeyronia for a seasons now. I have known about this chambeyronia for over thirty years in yard in coff# harbour always admiring it as drove past keeping an eye out for seeds when the time is right. So one day i knocked on the door and was greeted by a elderly lady by the name of Johanna very interesting to talk to originally from California an old hippie lady from way back with many tales of the 70s with a wonderful view of life. As you talk to a person you learn more about them. I offered some gardening services I could do in return for the seeds seeing the job that had to done I turned around to see the most eclectic mosaic that should be in an art gallery amazing what a piece of art. I asked about it did it have a name no she replied just a piece of art from another world that she visited she told me truly amazing what a wonderful lady with such a beautiful life she has lived, it’s wonderful to meet such humble happy people and the best bit was it was from a palm tree that I got to meet her. I could see vision well.

I think you will have the market cornered on these! The Palm market here has evolved over the years . More folks are moving into other genus and species . It used to be almost all ( with the exception of the collectors)Queen and Pygmy palms with a dollop of King Palm . Now there are other ones popping up . I can see Australia becoming the new home to the “Joey”! Harry

Thanks for posting here, your garden looks amazing and I always like seeing my Chrysalidocarpus keep them coming!

Got some Washingtonia growing here, mostly Robusta and a couple Filifera growing here on Landa St across from the DQ in NB.

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It will be interesting if this palm survives winter. There are some nice Calpytrocalyx palms but unfortunately most are quite cold sensitive there are a couple of cool tolerant ones. So I will go for a zone push with this one. No special attention in regards to cold protection apart from the hothouse time will tell if winte4 claims another palm.

Good morning from Galveston. Found another queen survivor and a fiddle leaf fig coming back after the most recent freeze . And moody gardens has started replacing palms first sabals lol @Xenon your favorite 😹😉

No, not at all. I was just referring to how seemingly similar winter climates like the UK and the PNW still aren't the same. And wanted to put to bed that just because the UK CIDP's can survive in the UK doesn't mean they will in most of Oregon. Cold hardiness of a palm is so variable based on climate., the conditions up to and immediately after the cold event, and the nature of the cold event itself I don't like saying "Palm X is hardy to XX degrees". There are some generalities to say these palms tend to the be the hardiest, but the top 3 or 5 palms that are hardiest to my area do not apply to everyone else.

I have about 25 Oraniopsis inground. I started planting them in 1999 when some where gifted to me by the then head of the Atherton Tablelands National Parks Ranger. I’ve since germinated hundreds and began experimenting where to plant them but all accounts illustrate they need shade and water. Other places around the world like north land NZ can put them in more sun as the climate is tempered. When planted in red soil they grow quite fast.

In the PNW when the rainy season starts, everything gets wet and stays wet for 5 or 6 months. Rarely do things every dry out, the grass is always wet, the soil is muddy, literally everything you touch is either wet or damp. There are a ton of products sold to kill moss because it grows on everything, and I mean literally everything. I've never been anywhere where moss grows on paved roads. Around the corners you see it mostly where tires do not normally drive over. CIDP's do not survive in Portland, and like I said it's not for lack of trying. Salem which is 45 minutes south of Portland, is marginally drier and does not get the outflow winds, but they get colder temps in winter due to the position in the valley. Washingtonia and CIDP's can hang on a few years there provided there isn't a particularly cold winter. I don't see the point in rehashing that they should survive, the fact is they don't. It doesn't matter how badly we want or hope that they'll make it, the plants will tell you if its suitable for them. It just goes to show that even in very similar climates you may not get the same results due to a factor or factors that we may be unable to determine.

All of the pre-1980s CIDP in North Florida/Georgia and along the Gulf Coast in Alabama and Mississippi survived mid-low single digits.

@TropicsEnjoyer two other possibilities come to mind. You *might* find them at a local nursery. I know I saw Arenga Engleri at a couple of places in Jax a few years ago. It prefers sun in FL but grows fine (if slowly) in shade. I have 12 clusters of Engleri here in the NW Orlando area. The other is Allagoptera Arenaria, which grows great in shade or sun and is also super hardy. That might be more difficult to find. One great opportunity for you is the CFPACS meeting at the St. John's Botanical Garden. It's probably a 20 minute drive for you and is on 12/7. I went to the last meeting at this garden, it's a great place to tour! Usually there's 20-40 different plants up for the auction, and around 5-10 PT members selling rare plants out of their personal nurseries. I'm not sure if I'm going to this one yet, but in the past I've bought Allagoptera Arenaria, Attalea Brejinhoensis, Beccariophoenix Fenestralis, Chamaedorea Seifrizii (a good option for you in shade), Chuniophoenix Hainanensis and Nana, a hybrid Livistona, Syagrus Schizophylla, Arenga Hookeriana (a super weird shade option), Rhapis Humilis, and Chamaedorea Radicalis. I'm sure people like @kinzyjr will be there.

@PA-TX2024I like this one!

Looks like pembana to me!

@Merlyn some good suggestions. C. Lutescens would be probably one of the most common . They are great palms and easy to care for . Harry ‘This one gets only a couple of hours of morning sun, the tallest stems (about 15’ tall) that are out of view are in sun . About 20 years from 3 gallon pot. It is still putting out pups.

My first was a T Fortunei hand-picked picked from a from long line up at the Houston Garden Center. Unfortunately, it couldn't recover last year from the excessive drought, arctic blast, and high spring rains we had. Was a great palm for several years. I have replaced it with one from the local Lowes. Keeping the receipt (Lowes is very good when it comes to returns) but it seems to be taking off. Fingers crossed for a normal winter. ~ S

Probably one of the most forgiving Chamaedorea is the Radicalis and the tree form gets tall without waiting a lifetime! Seeds are readily available , germinate easily , and subsequent growth comes quickly. You could also find plants from fellow collectors that are easily transplanted , I have them all over my yard. Harry

Here's mine grown from seed. Maybe it'll make its way into the garden in February...

Yeah it's fine. Older palms do this kind of thing - many species, including in the Phoenix and Washingtonia genus - eventually begin to produce roots all the way up the base of the trunk. A palm tree is the opposite of a regular tree (i.e. an oak or something) in that the living tissue are the innermost layers, while the dead tissue is the outermost layers. Eventually, if the root mass of the palm at the base continues to grow and expand, it cracks those dead, outer layers of "bark" that - being dead - have no capacity for further expansion. If anything, this may be considered a good sign that your palm continues to grow and further establish its root mass.

Here’s one in Gizella Kopsick in St. Pete.

Here here! Huge Chrysalidocarpus (Dypsis) lover here, who almost missed your thread (I’ll have to do better checking posts with more cryptic titles). Thanks for posting! I know I’m still learning stuff, and frankly a lot of us just love seeing each others’ collections (i.e. “palm porn”).

This is anecdotal, but there is a healthy Jubaea chilensis growing in Borrego Springs, California. You can look up the climate date, but it is similar to that of Northern Iraq, I assume!

Here is another of my early days of hunting palms. I took this photo behind Alligator Alley in Oklahoma City in 2010. They had a nice Trachycarpus surrounded by bamboo that had me pretty amazed. I didn't realize just how many Trachycapus killing winters the next 14 years would bring to Oklahoma, of course. I was just excited to see if I could grow something that cool.

I recall being introduced to the "climate zones" used in Sunset's - New Western Garden Book back in the early 80's. These seemed to be far more practical.

A wonderful colourful lady Johanna is that’s for sure. I used to a bit of deep sea fishing and there was a fish cleaning bench at the club you just never knew who you where standing next to talking away with them just a common interest be it gardening or fishing. Now when I speak to an elderly person I practically interview them about their life you learn some amazing things. Richard

Good morning all, just noticed this is flowering too, possibly Pembana not really certain, of the three originally thought to be Pembana I'm not sure any are.

Duly noted. This is flowering for the first time, i have another thats quite similar but is in more sun and consequently looks a little harder grown but flowering for the first time also. Im not certain of the species so any suggestions of identification are welcomed. Paul

More plantings of the group have been done recently. First Chrysalidocarpus baronii in the shade in the front. Im hoping the spot gets cool breezes in summer and shade much of the year to keep it cooler. Next is the teddy bear (Chrysalidocarpus leptocheilos). This one i had trouble picking a spot i liked with the right amount of sun and ease of access for watering (another issue im having that will be rectified soon i hope). Third is Chrysalidocarpus basilongus, the wild card i'm not too sure on cold tolerance. Since it is smaller too it gets a spot closer to the house that i will see daily (while i watch for the bubblegum pink to appear again). Fourth is Chrysalidocarpus saintlucei, about ten feet away from the basilongus and a but higher for drainage. It was pushing itself out of the pot by the roots so now it can reach for the groundwater. Last is the Carpoxylon macrospermum in the same part of the brightly lit forest area. My hope is good light and some frost protection for them but i will cover them on cold nights anyway until i know how it works here. The one frost last year was not terrible and only really visible on the house and cars; plants had some but not a layer of it. All others have been fertilized and potted up as needed, way faster than i anticipated for some. The Arch. purpurea also has a tinge of color starting to show that is not visible in photos much yet. All around looking good, but palms planted in the ground all get shorter petioles and smaller leaves at least at first. Im hoping they grow out of it, but if not the Bentinkia will be moved back into a large pot unless the fall cool down changes things.

Very nice garden shots Harry! Hope y'all get some decent rain. My palms here were mostly just existing through the dry hot summer with city water irrigation but are now really growing well with all the rain we got in September and October. No rain this month yet though.

I think this cross would be cool but begs to die from some kind of disease here in Texas. You'd want to drown it in imidacloprid and OTC to keep it alive once it had a trunk. Could be done, though. Just a fair amount of maintenance. I have a sylvestris which I intend to keep pumped full of OTC as it gets bigger but I'm not willing to do that for more than one or two palms.

Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. I’ve seen C. seifrizii and it’s a nice little clumper, and im still wanting a rhapis too. Arenga could be a good option also i’ve seen a lot of those in my area. At the end of the day ill have time to think bc i dont plan on buying anything atm, gonna wait until spring. But i at least have a good idea of what to consider 😊

For flatlanders, Sunset-10 is a lot different than USDA-10

@Rasan Jubaea nice to meet you! I concur that the Phoenix is better for the average situation hands down. They’re much tougher and they’re not prone to diseases, though I suspect you don’t have many other palms where you are. Whatever you decide to do, let us know and show us pictures!

@TropicsEnjoyer greetings! Nice to meet you! What’s the size range you’re looking at? There’s oodles that’ll grow in your situation; give us more details. Like the city and county in Florida you’re in.

Firstly, I don’t live in London. I am pretty much zone 8b here as I am out in the sticks so to speak. I have zero UHI and I am surrounded by fields and forests and in a bit of a frost pocket. Central London is a solid zone 9b, so a full 2 hardiness zones higher than my location. I went down to 11F in February 2018 when central London only had 23F. And yes it is relevant to talk about cool/wet winter locations, especially further north, since the limit for damage and lethality is going to be a lot less. Obviously CIDP’s have come back from -10F in New Mexico and maybe -5F in Texas. That wouldn’t be the case in Chicago, or NYC. It wouldn’t be the case in the PNW or England either. So hardiness is all very relative. Portland hasn’t seen temperatures anywhere near as cold as Dallas did back in 2021, yet there are CIDP’s surviving in Dallas but not in Portland. My own observations show small CIDP getting damaged at 22F here, whereas they don’t really take damage until 15F in dry, sunny, arid climates with intermittent warmth in winter i.e. New Mexico & Arizona. The same temperatures and duration will not have the same effect in higher latitudes. Likewise 18F will defoliate them here but it will probably take about 10-12F in Alamogordo. If you compared the damage after a 3 day freeze that went down to 11F like I had in 2028, I guarantee my CIDP will look a darn site worse a week later compared to one in Alamogordo. Daytime solar radiation being the biggest factor. Dryness and low water table being the next main factors. All relevant in the hardiness discussion.

All SOLD, Thanks. But will have more soon.

Here is Joey #2 and the last photo shows their proximity. Tim

Wonderful story . Great batch of seeds and always a cool way to meet people , over gardening . Especially a beautiful palm such as that. Harry

Unviable*more than likely e unfixable😂

The first is quite narrow in the trunk and elegant to the eye, leaflets are regularly arranged, if not slightly in pairs but only somewhat. Arching and recurving. Sparse with ramenta.

Potted up some from last year’s seeds today. The biggest ones had to go straight into 3 gallons from the community tub. Honestly, they should probably be larger than that because I should have plucked them out as they sprouted, but life happens. The larger ones sprouted in April, so are only 6 months old. They are easily twice the size of some Butia seedlings that are over a year old.

Just a great little orchid, with a wonderful scent. Blooms like crazy. Prosthechea radiata. Tim

These can stay in the potting mix for a while if needed, though I like to pot up personally, as much of their stuff is large and over grown and I want to get them growing. They take a lot of hits in shipping, and the lava/peat mix is pretty loose so I have had to stake taller 1 gallons. I just use 3 of the cheap bamboo spikes and some string. If I do that and pot up, they root in solid in 6 months, just as the stakes rot off. I try to get these outside ASAP on arrival. The heat, humidity and natural light is what they need. If you get a couple shallow, clear plastic totes (drill a couple of holes in the bottom if exposed to rain), you can just pack them in those, and they won’t tip in the wind. Even a shady protected porch is better than indoors. I have tons of these in the garage, so I usually just stick them in what I’ve got. Floribunda orders are fun. I didn’t get anything this year, as I’ve got more than I can handle for 2023. Not everybody is happy or makes it, and little palms vary in vigor, so sometimes it worth getting a few of your best bets to account for that.

Here's 5.5 years of growth from mine. It seems somewhat slow, but I'm not sure what to expect from an Attalea. (In the first picture it's the 2 leaf palm in the large pot on the bottom shelf).

I expect Ken Johnson could give us the history on C. renda var Theodora Buhler. It should be noted that Teddy was the executive secretary of the Palm Society for many years, and pratically ran the Society. (See Memorials, Theodora Buhler). Teddy also found a clone of Chamaedorea stolonifera growing in Germany in a botanical garden and got a sucker from it. She brought it back to the USA and propigated it and spread it around. It was thought at the time that C. stolonifera was extenct, in its native habitat, but later on a colony was found in Mexico. The Teddy Buhler clone has a different apperance with wavey fronds and is still refered to as "The Teddy Buhler clone." Dick