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Great place and very well taken care of, should’ve came more often. Lots of rare plants and palms such as the Lodoicea maldivica, which I forgot to take a picture of. The butterfly garden was beautiful as well. My only mistake was not taking enough pictures.

@MarcusH I’d toss Any and all sabals to the trash if we could grow Jubaea “More easily “ and if they didn’t take 1000000 years to grow lol 😍😍😍

Was walking in Fremantle yesterday on our way to a The The concert and took a picture of these old CIDPs.

As testimony to imported seeds germinating here’s a few that have been imported into Australia. There are eleven different varieties of seedlings there all of the palm seedlings are batches of 100 seeds except the joeys there from a batch of 2000. So I would say bye the looks of importing seeds does work. And yes when I look at the batches of seed# that didn’t germinate the odds are leaning towards a 70/30 hit and miss ratio with 30% being the miss ratio. It’s just my view on the subject of importing seeds. It is worth it in the end with consistency in orders made. Iam no rocket scientist just an observation but the mathematics add up pretty good if I where an accountant.

My first palm was planted in 1990 . We bought a house with a pool and I wanted a tropical looking palm . I planted a Syagrus Romanzoffiana . When I drive by the house , I can still see the palm(s) I planted at that house that were too huge to move when I left in 1997. Harry an old , crappy photo from the archives. One of my first Queens and a pot of Howea F.

Here’s a nice one @Tyrone in Grafton my home town pretty well mush the same story of how it became planted now part of the history of the CIDP in Australia.

Here’s an updated photo of mine. Starting to get going now:

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I paid an extravagant sum of money for a small start of this plant in 2021, but now I am gratified that I did purchase it. Here is the first flowering. It took a long time to really get established with active growth. It grows over a huge Platycerium bifurcatum in the crotch of a Metrosideros excelsa. My only complaint is that it wants to just sprawl outwards, and less to grow vertically up the tree branch structure.

The garden is looking pretty good for the end of spring with some nice little surprises here and there in the evolution of life.

I managed to grow a P. canariensis for 10 years from a 5 gal to about 8' tall. It wouldn't have ever survived without a winter tent. It benefited from the overhead protection on cold nights with a string of old C9 lights on the ground around the base of the trunk. When it out grew the shelter and was left to subsist on it's own, it easily died. I believe this was the last year (2014) it was alive.

Yes it is a Catholic Church. I don’t know the significance of that but there are a fair few around Fremantle and quite a few CIDP as well but these seem some of the oldest. Just at a guess more than a century old. Could have been germinated in the early 1900s at a guess. Fremantle took off with buildings and wealth in the late 1800s with the gold rush. It basically was the gateway to the goldfields back then. I love the vibe of Fremantle having kept a lot of its old heritage alive. It also was the host of the infamous convict prison that changed little until it was closed in 1991. This place has a strong convict heritage.

**** Fair warning ..For those a bit squeem-ish when it comes to gross things, you might want to look away.. **** A few years back, i'd mentioned something ..somewhere.. regarding an insect " pest " that legitimately qualifies as a threat.. Not necessarily to plants, but to ..anything else, inc. humans.. While flies themselves are pretty gross creatures, the New World Screw worm, Cochliomyia homnivorax ups the " Gross " factor ..just a bit.. The Latin name literally translates to " Man Eater " ..and yes, this Bug- eyed, Obligate Parasite can kill a man ( ..or woman ) and was once one of the greatest threats to livestock in the US " back in the day " ...up until it was eradicated from the US in the early 80s. That campaign continued thru the 90s / earlier 2Ks until this insect was beaten back to -roughly- the Darien Gap in Panama. Beyond that, in South America, and some islands in the Caribbean where it hangs on, the efforts to fully take out this insect has been challenging due to terrain, costs, and / or political will. It was gone here in the states until it quietly reappeared in the FL. Keys sometime in 2016 where the outbreak seen there killed numerous Key Deer, and was detected in a stray Dog in Homestead just north of the designated quarantine zone there before the control measures used to knock down this insect worked as planned. Fast forward to last summer, and while doing my yearly " check in " on efforts to control / any new, general research on this insect, there were reports coming out of both Panama and Costa Rica of new outbreaks being seen in some areas of both countries. Tack on another year and it appears the threat posed by this insect is quickly spreading across all of Central America, with a detection noted in Chiapas in the last couple weeks.. This is occurring despite re-invigorated and stepped up efforts to get the more severe outbreaks in Panama and Costa Rica under control again.. When i'd read the last reports of it being detected in Guatemala, i had a feeling it wouldn't be long until it reached southern Mexico.. That has happened.. Question now is ..how far north will it progress? ..and can the control efforts currently underway stop the advance - before- outbreaks are detected much closer to the US? Before full eradication, when it roamed the US, outbreaks were seen as far west as central California, As far north as the Central Plains and Southeastern states, north of FL. It was also sporadically detected in the upper Midwest during years when conditions were ideal. Another question regarding this current resurgence involves whether or not the female flies of this species have gained some sort of new ability to " sus out " the sterilized males released and now avoid them.. That would destroy the current means of effective control of course. Maybe a vaguely rumoured strain of the species that was rumoured to possess some resistance to radiation, that is spreading into new areas is responsible?? ..Time will tell... Regardless, putting this out there as a " Keep your eyes -and ears- on this situation over the coming months " kind of advise, rather than a " The sky is about to fall " alarm. Understand the difference.. Highly doubt this fly will return to the US -in any great numbers at least- but, We'll have to see since -so far- the extra aggressive response to this current situation isn't seeming to have much effect.. That said, ..as was the case in the past when the battle began, full, regional control can take up to several years.. In that time, reports of sporadic, localized outbreaks aren't completely out of the question further north in Mexico, and / or possibly in FL. again, and perhaps the border regions of Texas / other states, depending on what weather events occur.. It is thought that the outbreak seen in FL. was a result of flies being blown north from Cuba by a Hurricane. Should such occur, it wouldn't be out of the question that the occasional sterilized fly turns up in someone's yard. Won't post it here but there is a really good observation on iNaturaliust that details the trademark markings of adult NWS flies, ...as compared to the ..roughly, 4 or 5 other species of similar looking fly species that are common in the US, None of which cause the same issues as NWS. One significant step has apparently been made in that the US has now suspended all imports of Cattle from Mexico. I don't doubt restrictions on the importation / movement of other livestock may occur if outbreaks expand north beyond far southern Mexico over the coming months. Something to monitor casually, but closely.. Related articles... Will add more when / if need be.. *** As stated at the top, .If gross things make ya' squirm, turn away *** Scientists built a great wall to keep out the ‘man devourer’ – but now it’s fighting back https://www.cdc.gov/coca/hcp/trainings/resurgence-new-world-screwworm.html https://u.osu.edu/beef/2024/11/27/cattle-imports-from-mexico-restricted-after-new-world-screwworm-detection/ https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/30599/Twice-eradicated-parasite-threatens-northward?autologincheck=redirected

I'm on the flip side of this equation. I consider myself hardcore religious and think much of The Science believes it can explain far more than it can. Yet, after these past brutal years, I find myself checking Farmer's Almanac, believing the reasons for the wrath of God's weather patterns far outweigh the importance of my prayers to spare my ornamental garden. I cope through ignorance and hubris and plant stuff like Adonidia because how boring would it be if I didn't? 🤣

I am no where near your quantities, but almost all my palm come from imported seeds, since not much available here. Definitely worth it, and good success too. The only genus with which I’ve had many faillures was Copernicia. They germinate and then rot. Here is my shade house Now the question is, where am I going to plant 3 corypha utan 😅

It was a failed experiment from the get-go in NYC which is zone 7b. CIDP will struggle badly in 8b even, unless it is a dry, arid and very sunny 8b climate like you can get in parts of Arizona, New Mexico, Texas etc. You really need zone 9a and even then you might be protecting them in continental areas that can still get 8a winters once or twice a decade. So zone 9a is really the bare minimum for CIDP (I can barely grow them here in 8b), but ideally you need 9b for decent long term CIDP’s. Portland, Oregon is 9a and they still can’t grow CIDP’s for instance. So trying in 7b New York was suicide with how wet it is and how cold it gets in winter. Another big factor is the wet, humid summers in NYC off the back of having a cold winter. That is a recipe for fungal issues and crown rot. They really need a dry summer from May - September, especially if they are recovering from winter damage. That is why the do so well over here in the UK, because the summers are generally dry with low humidity. Mild, wet winters followed by warmish, dry summers are ideal if you are trying to grow in 9a. Again, I struggle to grow them in my 8b location with mild winters and dryish summers. You need 9a / 9b and that is that. Unless you’re in Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Florida etc where you can get them through 8a / 8b.

I’d guess Attalea of some kind. One of the truly giant ones (cohune, butyracea?).

Time to sow a few seeds with the warm weather approaching now sow the time. Taking advantage of the air temperatures to help with germinating some seeds. Bottom heating will be used for of the more rarer varieties and some I will put in the hothouse the easy germinating ones like the Johannesteijsmannia the Caryota obtusa and the chambeyronia macrocarpa seeds will do fine in the hothouse the rest of the imported ones from rps. All are in styrofoam box’s with lids, coco coir perlite mix fine grade just ever so lightly moist. The seeds where lightly pushed into the mix then lightly covered 0.5mm for the bigger seeds and for the smaller seeds they where covered 0.2mm or near enough for both coverings of the seeds. Time will tell how successful it is this little science project is that’s slowly turning into a mad scientist laboratory.

@Alexberm those palms are gorgeous whatever they are! Thanks for sharing.

Looks typical of Chambeyronia oliviformis at that size to me, but I couldn’t exclude other species which can look similar at this age.

Here are a few pictures of my Jubaea. Things are a bit crowded so taking pictures is becoming more difficult.

Shade does weird things to petiole length. There are some mexicanas in full shade at Santa Ana wildlife refuge that probably have 20ft+ petioles, and the leaf rests on an oak branch etc

That’s one looks great! Perfectly aged.

The very first palm I probably ever planted was a trachycarpus fortunei I brought from North Carolina when I lived in zone 6b Pennsylvania. Now after living in the South, I have completely lost track lol. I grew this palm for a few years with protection. It was removed from the property after I left Pennsylvania thought. : (

Ok, it's been a while since my last update ( I finally have some free time to get back to this due to Turkey Day ). I see That Palm Talk forum members are recently posting about the cold hardiness of Canary Island Date Palms, so let me continue to add to my personal observations on the topic. Unfortunately, I am afraid that I will have to start on a bad note, as I feared what would happen came to past... May 2024: Even though it looked pretty weak, my little CIDP seemed like it doing great after taking off the winter protection in April. But then near the of the month there was rain storm , followed by a brief cold blast, which finally did it in. I knew that frequent defoliations due to cold weather temperatures make even full grown CIDP go into decline, so I was always expecting this outcome with this small planting... I had done the annual spear pull test - with the expected result this time. I gather that the box kept the soil dry enough to keep the shallow roots insulated for a time, but when the cold rain penetrated the soil once the planting was uncovered, it sent it into shock that it would not be able to recover, being in such a weak state as it was already. Maybe I should have waited until may to remove the winter protection for this , until the weather stabilized into the spring temperatures. I checked the stem shaft for any signs of life. Looks like there was nothing down there but rot and death.... Dug up the remains, and it appears that the root system never became extensive, which is definitely the mark of a not healthy palm. Oh well.....Looks like the end of an interesting experiment. Or the beginning of another? Fortunately, I still had two six year old San Francisco-sourced seed grown CIDP, one planted as replacement for the recently departed. June: July: August: September: October: November: As one can see from the above pictures from the previous months, this older replacement CIDP is doing pretty well , and if the results of the winter protection of the sister CIDP in my other 'Site B' location ( those pictures will also follow soon ). Will set up the winter protection for this new one sometime this weekend.

Don't be afraid to explore other plants, too including palms. The cool thing is that the really colorful palms seem to like higher humidity (anyone who disagrees is welcome to correct me so I can add to my semi-inland garden!) which is right near the ocean.

I should have about 25 more when all are ready, so everyone can get a few. Unfortunately, the seeds ripen slowly, possibly taking almost two yrs, and then they don’t ripen at the same time. A few come down every 2-4 weeks. So seedlings are at all different stages. Checked my baggies this morning, a couple more sprouts!

Thanks I can get powder form of bacillus. It’s targeted at caterpillars in the horticulture industry as an organic control, iam assuming it would do the same as the pellets . But definitely worth a try. I usually empty any stagnet water I find in containers it’s just the area I live in go for a walk in the bush around and the mosquitoes attack you. Once again thanks for the information.

And same palms at night.

Here's my needle Palm I planted in April 2022 the second and the third picture is from 2024

I did things a little differently this time for this winter season protection method . The items l be C9 Christmas lights ( This time taking @Allen and @Will Simpson previous suggestions and advice on using active heating elements ) , Wilt Pruf Anti-Transpirant spray, thermal cube, and a little wooden support structure for the Christmas lights inside of the insulation cube (Not to mention garden extension cord connecting to a somewhat nearby patio electrical outlet ). ( Looking back on this , I probably should have also put in a thermal temperature reader as well.... ) The C9 lights should be activated by the thermal cube when outside temperatures fall to 35 degrees Fahrenheit ( and turn off automatically at 45 Degrees F ). Hopefully this will give some added heat to the palm during the long winter months. I placed some new mulch on the base to prevent frost , and this time also added little removable tarp for extra protection for when it becomes very cold out. There should be enough airflow to prevent build up of humidity in the insulation box, along with any possible fungal growth on the leaves Let's see how this goes , hopefully for the best....See you again next spring, little palm!

Ok, I know, It's been a while since I've given an update here on the status of my little Canary Island Date Palm. I've been super busy at work these past few months, but now I can finally get back to this during my free time this Christmas Holiday weekend. As you can see in the below pictures, it has managed to recover pretty well over the spring , summer and fall season: July: August: September: October: November: November is the month when the temperature begins to get cold here in New York City, so that is the time for setting up for the winter protection. I'm quite happy that the palm has managed to bounce back from last winter somewhat healthy ( with the help of lots of water and palm fertilizer ) I'm not taking any more chances just using passive insulation and will now look to use more active heating elements for this wintertime....

The big greenhouse is looking ok with some good rainfall helping out in the watering. There’s a lot of palm species in there to many to count a lot of just one or two along with lots of a hundred or more to small batches fifty to twenty species of any particular genus. From tropical to temperate areas there’s a palm in there to suit pretty well much any particular environment in Australia. If you know what you’re looking for I might just have it in there somewhere or something that will suit your garden you just have to find it.

Hello brains trust, Does anyone know this species? Thank you Regards Colin

Today the first fruit and seeds finally produced off the Jubaea Palm I planted from seed in 1984. It took 40 years from seed to mature Jubaea to produce the fruit and seed. 40 years is a long time to get a crop, but thats the way. By the way, can anyone tell me where which eye has the embryo? There are two eyes close together and a third further away.

In 1990 , when I was new at collecting , I knew a few folks that were dedicated to sharing various types of palms. They would germinate seeds and then , within a couple of years , offer them up for sale through a mutual friend . A lot of my palms that I now own came from these dedicated individuals. Thank you , all you dedicated palms seed germinating folks that help spread varieties we would not normally have access to. Harry

Nice one Nico. It’s not about the setup or about how it looks but success of germination is what counts. Like my mum said if you find something that you’re good at in life stick with it. What works for many may not necessarily work for someone else, each propagation technique and environment is different in producing many variables in results, sometimes the growers themselves is at fault for nothing germinating. Yet they will put the blame on someone else for there mistakes putting pride before honesty. Now the question remains where do you put 3 great big corypha palms in an area with lots of room that’s for sure

Here's a video from Europe that outlines what's required to protect these massive palms. A huge undertaking.

Totally agree those are beautiful palm trees.

Gotta love that HI growth rate. 🚀 Super helpful data point... thank you. 🙏

I agree with this. Which is why I prefer Washingtonia filifera over Robusta in NC. I’ve killed robusta when filifera just got minor damage, and I live in a climate with wet, chilly winters.

Habitat photo? If so, where? My brain is going from Prestoea to Kentiopsis to Archontophoenix…

I don't know anything about Australian religious history so I'm making an assumption but is that a Catholic Church? In Arizona you find a lot of these big, old canaries where there are or were old Catholic Churches. Same deal right by my old house: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9705336,-112.732393,3a,75y,193.58h,96.19t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sr5PL39jNuJi3rzvjm-sDGQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-6.194674995511647%26panoid%3Dr5PL39jNuJi3rzvjm-sDGQ%26yaw%3D193.5784656080346!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTEyNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Kentia King, Welcome to Palmtalk !

@Dantana I wouldn't rule out insect damage being the cause. I have similar damage from Tirathaba rufivena (Coconut spike moth) in my Howea forsteriana plantation.

Such a cool palm! And qualifies as cold hardy but not very heat tolerant. Wish I could grow one here.

I just carefully do surgery on the container with needle secateurs. Don’t be afraid of cutting the container it’s quite simple, just think you’re a specialist surgeon. The problem some growers make including myself is baby and Molly coddle plants. If it’s a super rare exotic species don’t panic just think it’s a golden cane.

Ceroxylon quindiuense, small 5-gallon, March, 1983

I saw a Phoenix canariensis that had recovered in Sicily Island, Central Louisiana, after being hit with what must have been some really, really cold temps. I was shocked! Meanwhile i lost every Phoenix I tried in much-warmer Natchez, Mississippi: P. sylvestris 'Robusta' (sold to me under that name) was a fast grower and I got a couple of really beautiful specimens that developed pretty tall trunks...but ultimately they croaked in the teens. I grew a couple of P. theophrastii and they were not only the most horrifically spiny and dangerous Phoenix I've experienced (made the treacherous P. sylvestris look "cozy" by comparison!), both specimens died from cold, with temps just in the upper teens. They definitely seem to be far less cold-hardy (in a wet climate) than often advertised. I didn't grow any P. dactylifera there, so I can't speak to their hardiness relative to the others...but I am quite in agreement with the above opinions, that the hardiest one east of the Divide is likely P. canariensis.

Wow! Looks better than any windmill ive seen down here! Seriously, thats a beautiful palm.