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Great palm! I’m sure you are going to grow it well. I can’t add anything regrading cold hardiness but I do have one that does pretty good on the coast however the leafs tend to get a bit burnt from the sea breeze and sun. Overall a great palm.

Start an IV STAT. That palm needs hydration.

I first spotted these in 2022 when I was staying at one of the houses nearby, now I just remembered them. There’s this vacant lot out in lakeway that has at least 3 wild CIDP growing. Plus a few Butia, which don’t look too good. I can’t confirm for sure that these are naturalized, however there are two mature CIDP just a block away that they could have come from. Also these are expensive homes, and I’m pretty sure if anyone wanted a CIDP they would just transplant one. There’s also about a dozen Filifera on the same street that are all pretty big. Unfortunately the views when you drive past aren’t great, but you can still see a few of them. Aerial view isn’t much better

I know there aren't many PT'ers in the Houston area, but figured I'd post here first before listing on FB. Porch pickup from League City or can possibly arrange to have pick up in Memorial area on Fridays. Paypal/Zelle/Venmo. Not interested in shipping at this time. Chrysalidocarpus/Dypsis Pembana 1gal $15. I have a bunch, mostly red petiole but a few yellow as well. Allagoptera Arenaria 1g $15. These are 3 years old and notoriously slow seedlings, so should be time for them to start speeding up. Have multiple. Butia Odorata 3gal. Only have 1. $20 Livistona Decora 7gal $75. These were from NTCHP and they want to go in the ground badly. The Decora in the pic is from the same batch but was the lucky one that got planted in summer of '21. They grow FAST in ground. Survived 15° unprotected with no issues. Not a palm, but I have a bunch of 3gal Brachychiton Rupestris aka Queensland Bottle Tree. $40 ea. Chamaedorea Tepejilote 1gal. $10, have multiple.

Interesting. I see a lot of naturalized sabals and washingtonias in the area. I don't know if I have found any CIDP or butias naturalized yet. I have posted a pic before of a couple of CIDP on a vacant lot Cibolo, but I am not sure if perhaps there used to be a farmhouse or something on the site before the area was developed into subdivisions:

I looked at it and thought I can’t buy it I have no room left in the car to put it (was going to leave the wife behind for extra room but thought twice about that). So I packed the car up jam packed full already and guess who had room for the palm. Now all I have to is go pick up the wife🤣 Richard

It’s been this way since I bought this house 4 years ago. Though, it seems to be getting worse. Is it manganese deficiency? Doesn’t quite look like what I can google. South Florida here. Soil is mostly sand

A visit to Brisbane botanical gardens. Quite an impressive garden with a lot of age with the plants on display throughout the garden. They certainly have there work cut out for them with this garden. It’s absolutely gorgeous. With some very large mature palms.

Talk about a kid in a candy store omg. What fun it is to have so many new palms to choose from and some absolute bargains. As a palm grower myself I could not resist a kerriodoxa even though I have 700 of them in my greenhouse I just had to buy it. Even a nice Cham genoformis, dypsis poiveana I already have quite a few in containers and in the ground but I still had to buy them I just can’t help myself. So the list of palms I purchased are as follows. cham genoformis, pritchardia martii, licuala pelata sumowongii, synecanthus warscewizianus, hydriastele pinangoides, dypsis managenerensis, dypsis rosea, Cham elatior, ptychosperma cuneatum, rhopalastylis sapida, dypsis poiveana, dypsis pinnatafrons, Cham nubiums Pinanga insignis dypsis arenarium blue form, dypsis robusta, Chuniophoenix humilis, Calum’s muelleri and an Arenga caudata. An absolute feeding frenzy of palm buying and the best part was a total blast of fun doing so. Just a couple more for the collection.

Tis 'also the season for getting spring projects completed before the dawn of " Nuke Season " begins to illuminate the eastern horizon in a couple months ..if not earlier this year... Slightly raised, gravel- filled beds separating the block wall from the back lawn looks much nicer than letting the lawn take up all the space.. As mentioned before, specific Canna / summer flowering annual stuff will fill these beds.. In this particular section, left the level of gravel placed in the block holes a little lower compared to other areas ( ...Where i filled the holes to the top ) ..Because this part of the yard stays shaded and moist in winter, even one as dry as this year apparently ...and the bottom of all the blocks placed here aren't open, ..thus being able to retain some water, ...or at least allow water to slowly drain, considering another experiment with native Fern spores here next winter.. May stick some Yerba Mansa offsets in a few of the holes too. Still undecided on whether or not the corner ..behind the log.. will be good enough for throwing a Hedychium in there, or still too hot / sunny.. Now that it is enclosed, need to get / mix in a couple bags of compost ..and get what Tomatoes / Peppers Mex. Oregano ( Lippia gravolens ) / Basil will go in there planted. Italian Long pepper planted 2 years ago? ...awakening to Spring, #3.. Hiding under the 5-6" of block buried below the soil line lies another 8-10" of hardwire cloth around the entire edge of the bed which should deter the furry menace. * Hopefully * Next area to be done.. Don't think the yard would look right if i didn't do this section. Since i'm pretty sure i'll have gravel left after i complete the final two sections of raised beds along the back wall, will likely fill in this area around the base of the Ficus, after i lay down hardwire cloth to keep the furry menace out.. For whatever reason, Bermuda ..which grows everywhere else, will not fill in under here. Would look nicer with a defined, slightly raised bed around it anyway.. Thing in the pot in front of the Ficus is a zone 13 Bursera sp native to a small area of Oaxaca along the Pacific coast of Mexico .. Extra driveway space filled in.. Head off it is a 3ft wide raised bed ..so anyone parking there doesn't hit the block wall separating the front and back yards.. Random " add in " spots to the sidewalk beds.. Aside from spreading the mounds of older rocked moved from a different spot, only things i need to add to the " main " bed out there are the two Plumeria i'm planting, the " summer flowering " cacti, and a pair of Colorado Four-o-Clocks ( Mirabilis multiflora ).. Next fall, i tackle installing 16-18" barrier below the scalloped edging ( if i don't decide to move it to the sidewalk edge / replace w/ block.. ) to keep the Bermuda out..

Chambeyronia Macrocarpa just got the ring

This red Areca vestiaria frond popped open the last few days. Took all winter to get there but looks good.

With the start of a new month comes the start of a new season ..defined by the only way of defining the seasons that matters, Meteorologically.. Final month of " winter " spent well above average, + our first official 90s for 2025, ..a month early, = plenty of stuff awakening from their winter naps in the yards ..and beyond... Hippeastrum " Stargazer, Minerva, ..or .... " right at peak bloom, while inflo #2 produced by this plant gets ready to open.. Solanum houstonii Calliandra eriophylla.. Echinocereus coccineus ..or triglochidatus.. flowering ..One of the two planted in the yard at least.. ..Ahead of the Beavertails and specimen these offsets came from at the old house too.. Seed started Coral Honeysuckle i thought i'd killed after yanking last fall.. White Veined Pipevine ** Not pictured ** Native Pipevine, A. watsonii is already starting to flower.. Clitoria mariana peeking out of the soil about 4 weeks ahead of schedule.. Caliche Globemallow Though it has thrown around a few sporadic flowers, Erythrostemon palmeri is already reloaded with buds.. While a few in the neighborhood are just starting to show any color, looks like the TX Mtn Laurel will beat the Sweet Acacia across the street to the stage this year.. The pale - flowered specimen.... Orange Tecoma cultivar.

Well it’s official the Coffs Harbour botanical garden conservation project is underway. With a donation of palms from Colin Wilson and Lyn Crehan. They have been more than generous in donating their time for the project with some amazing palms to start planting out in the gardens. I still have to go through them and find out exactly what I have got to plant. I look forward to the project getting underway for future generations to have such great rare beautiful plants. Iam the garden’s curator will be more than pleased with what’s available in palms for the garden. I would like to personally thank Colin and Lyn for giving me this opportunity to be part of such a great project, along with pacsoa and the wonderful people behind such a great organisation. I will post a list of what palms I have for now they can rest up with a good watering after such a long journey.

Here is Adam's Tahina.

It looks like it could be cold damage possibly? Does E edulis generally do ok in SF?? I tried the orange crownshaft variety here and found it pretty wimpy...our climates are reasonably similar if you're in the cooler parts of SF. Just a thought.

Yike! Ham-handed and incomplete. Washies and similar are fire hazards; kings and Rhopies are not.

Humans have very varied interpretations of "usefulness". Some make dwellings or hats for sun protection, some eat the fruit. I can say that palms are apparently much more useful preventing hurricane damage to your house than dicots. Oaks, elms, eucalyptus all were felled by hurricane Milton last fall. Some fell on houses, some became a mess to haul away. My 8 closest neighbors had obvious roof damage including leaks, needing new roofing jobs. My house had minimal damage to 10 feet of the cap. My place has ~60 mature palms instead of dicots. The tallest palms took a whooping for sure, but are already pushing out new leaves. Perhaps you should ask carribean islanders how useful palms are? After a big hurricane comes through the palms often still standing ready to refresh the crowns while the dicots are often dead and gone. Dicots are messy when they seasonally drop leaves and twigs, many palms are relatively clean, especially the self shedding ones.

I think "usefulness to humans" is an incredibly poor standard to judge any plant by.

All this talk of Allogoptera arenaria flowering must have induced mine to flower. I need some tips on helping the pollination process from Richard.

Zamia hamannii starting it's yearly "flush" of a single spike. My favourite of the plicate zamias

@Foggy Paul do you know the type of rock? Granite is mostly silica and may not dissolve much, but marble chips are mostly calcium carbonate and dissolve much faster. I don't know if it would be enough to really affect the palms or not. Two things come to mind: too much of one nutrient can inhibit absoption of others with "nutrient antagonism" So too much N or Mg = K deficiency. The other is soil ph: But it looks like Potassium is only affected by really low pH, which is probably not an issue.

@carlosinkw welcome to PalmTalk! In general I would say "transplant shock," just meaning it is actively growing new roots and getting acclimated. If the new fronds are solid green and growing, then it is probably just short on Potassium. Typically a potassium deficiency shows up as translucent, yellow or dead brown spots on the oldest leaves, occasionally with dead tips. At 3.5 months it is definitely time to fertilize. I would say 1 or 2 handfuls of Florikan or Palmgain, spread randomly in maybe a 6ft diameter circle. If it keeps having potassium deficiemcy signs, you could add some Langbeinite / Sulpomag / Kmag. Nothing will "fix" the yellow spots, but the fertilizer may stop it from progressing further.

Definitely wait for it to finish blooming before you try replanting it. I just had this discussion with my friend Harry while touring his garden today. Harry’s brother is Andy of Andy's Orchids here in Leucadia. I was picking up this Dendrobium speciosum Hillii. He recommended very shallow pots for me to replant some of my smaller specimens. I planted ssp Grandiflora on a thin bark layer on top of a rock that is slowly rooting after 2 years in the ground.

A complete bargain I had to buy it, even if has to stay in the greenhouse. The feedback so far is in the positive direction for living but you never know when it comes to winter. Richard

I can only try for such beautiful palm. Temperatures will get down to 2 degrees Celsius, so a good protected spot with lots of rocks around might see it being a winner time will tell.

Yep I had to buy for that price, a lot of palm that will explode once planted in the ground. I will acclimate it for a winter or two, it was grown on the Gold Coast so I stand some chance for now. But definitely score of the week in the palm sales department. You have to get up to PACSOA show next year for what’s available nowhere else.

So you’re a bold and a beautiful lady I take it. Got your eye on Ridge have you. Richard

I have grown many Sadleria from Jim at the fern factory. His original spore was collected in Hawaii. Many when young are very top heavy and floppy. Sometimes I plant them a little deeper, mound up the soil or stake them until they become more stable. They all look identical to the plant Rivera is growing. The photos are of my largest one with many pups. What is interesting is that the parent plant throws a red new leaf but some of the pups from the same plant, in the same location, put out a red new leaf and some a new green leaf. One of my favorite ferns in the garden. For me, grows best in full sun. I am about 3 miles from the beach. The one shown is south facing next to the cement driveway and never burns.

That is an awesome palm for the price Richard. Itaya has always been one of my favourite tropical palms I wish I could grow. A friend of mine has a nice one growing down here in a heated glasshouse. I think you’re a chance in your location but maybe keep it protected until it establishes. Here’s one at Gardens by the Bay in Singapore. Photo taken 9 years ago.

It’s too early. And unfortunately, Sabals do so poorly at being transplanted, it’s not 100% chance it survives at all. I would plant in like a 5 gallon pot, where they can stay for a while. And transplant after 2 years. They will need a solid root system and more vegetation to make it through winter. im zone 8a. Here’s my 2 year old palmetto In pot for 1 year, went in ground April 24.

I don't know the climate there, but I would wait until Late April/ Early May, or just pot them up until they get to a decent size before planting them

Dudleya in the night, most of them developing inflorescences at this time. Dudleya hassei at center below. This species, or subspecies, has been a subject of some taxonomical debate amongst botanists. D. hassei also been identified as subspecies D. virens ssp. hassei. It was also formerly assigned its own genus Hasseanthus, though I'm uncertain of what characteristics would set it apart from Dudleya (a genus possessing numerous species and subspecies with quite a bit of variability from one population to the next and sometimes one individual to the next). Whatever you want to call it, this one comes from Santa Catalina Island and is a resilient and adaptable species for the garden. A local native, Dudleya farinosa in the foreground left of center. A row of Dudleya brittonii. Some Dudleya pachyphytum behind, none of which are forming flowers yet. Small Dudleya nubigena at lower right; this species seems to take a couple different forms, the other of which bears a bit more resemblance to Dudleya cymosa or similar species with flattened leaves. This one has more linear or tubular leaves and a bifurcating habit. Dudleya brittonii x hassei at foreground center. A robust and caespitose hybrid. Dudleya edulis center left, Dudleya caespitosa (another local native) center right.

Potassium is the most soluble nutrient, the most easily washed away by rain or irrigation. If you have high drainage you may need to put potassium down more often. I use sulfate of potash or sulpomag(lanbgeinite) for the potassium hogs in my yard. As you stretch fertilization intervals potassium will become deficient first in high drainage. Rocky soil has low nutrients and minimal cation exchange to maintain the potassium from fertilizer. Green sand contains potash so yes it will be a source of potassium that helps a K deficiency. Perhaps adding some soil with cation exchange will help. In addition to Merlyns information I would add that high sodium in soil can inhibit potassium intake. Sodium and potassium are electronically similar and potassium uptake transporters cannot tell the difference. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jpln.201200417

It’s going to so much fun having another place to plant palms, while it will never be my garden it will give me great joy visiting them knowing the background behind certain palms. Colin and Lyn have donated some fantastic palms. And another batch of palms is being delivered tomorrow to the gardens I have not even seen those ones yet. Richard

Then it’s time you got back here and had a good holiday again. Australia to me is a very unique beautiful country. With white sandy beach’s to lush tropical rainforests to barren desert landscape. In one day there can be snow,drought,fires and floods that’s what makes Australia so unique so different wherever you go.

On Friday, I went to a nursery in Theodore, AL, south of Mobile, designated USDA hardiness zone 9A, and was surprised to see that their mules were hit as hard, if not worse, than mine, 15 miles further inland. i hasten to add that these are not only from a source other than MPoM, but seedling variability, even among a crop of seedlings with the same parent plants, could be a factor. Even so, Bismarckia is reliably hardy here, but not at my house. In fact, I dug up my Rhapis excelsa and gave it back to the owner to pot up for resale, since it kept getting knocked back to the ground every year in a spot where I was looking for a 6-8' palm. It will be happier in zone 9, I think.

Anybody have any seeds, seedlings, or live plants of Wallaceodoxa raja-ampat?

At the time, I met the new owner and we spoke briefly. He mentioned his interest in the plantings and his lack of knowledge about them. I considered leaving a property map detailing the plantings but I found myself far too busy to create such a thing. I really felt the need to detatch myself from any emotional connection and move on. I now find it's an interesting past era in my gardening journey.

I saw some of the plants you scored for Coff's Harbour and will confess that larcenous thoughts briefly flittered through my silly little heard.. Peachy

They are a bit like a licuala but the leaves get massive. They survive in the Fairchild Botanic Garden, which is in the middle bit of Florida where it can get cool in winter. One of the palm nurseries in Brisbane had a batch of them about 20 years ago (when I was still in primary school) At the time I was told they are a good house plant but for some reason I never bought one. The nursery your palm came from is sort of halfway between Brisbane and the Gold Coast, so it should take any cold your place throws at it. Peachy

Funny you mention leaving an instruction list. I didn't do exactly that but I did leave a note on the fridge of what types of camellia plants were left in the yard at one of my houses, in case they wanted to know.

Like 3 years ago when I moved out of Austin, I took like 80 Washingtonia seedlings I had on my patio and went and planted them next to a creek. Can't see them from google maps, so unfortunately I won't ever know if any of them lived unless I go back.

Hi Matti, it's an interesting study - I remember seeing it previously and wondering why anyone would walk 1000km with a bag full of palm fruits and not have eaten them all before arrival? Birds would seem a more likely dispersal vector, a lot of Australian species are highly nomadic...but as they mentioned in the study it's a long way to fly without pooping! Another question that worries me about the theory of recent dispersal is that it doesn’t account for other plant species native to the region that are possibly relicts of wetter climates such as Macrozamia macdonellii and Ficus desertorum...it's a mystery.

That’s still cold for those palms and over the long haul ( 10-12 years)could have ill effects. You never know what the cold snaps that have hit that area in the past could do to them , especially over extended periods. Would love to see pics as well. Harry

It's true. At 8B, we're the "icebox" of the Gulf Coast, vulnerable to continental air masses that funnel down from Canada (says the armchair meteorologist). It's not unheard of for temperatures to swing 60° within a day or two. I'm just beginning to understand that how the cold arrives makes a difference in how it affects plants. I continue to be surprised and fascinated by which species are the survivors and which are the casualties. I'm pretty lazy about protection, so I marvel at those who build 20' tall terrariums for their beloved palms. My attitude is more along the lines of, "Oops, I thought that plant would thrive here. Oh well... compost pile."

Hello, my name is Andy Hurwitz I am excited to be the 26th president of the International Palm Society. I am also a daily reader on Palm talk. So it should not be a surprise that I have chosen to make sporadic announcements about the IPS here on our forum. Today I am thrilled to report that the IPS annual conservation initiative, Save the Species, achieved our donation goal for the fifth consecutive year! We collected over $25,000 in donations which will provide ample funding to repatriate Basselinia vestita in habitat in New Caledonia. I wish to thank each and every one of our PT community for their interest and donations. andy

Wow really missed this whole water issue. I think simply from reading the post, I come to realize you are misinformed about California in general and for how our water system works. For starters, the area that recently burned is far from being a forest. The rhetoric of "clearing the forest of fuel" does not translate well at all in chaparral vegetation - what exactly are you clearing? The entirety of the vegetative cover? I mean, sure, you can take a scraper and scrape the mountainside bare of vegetation but at the sight of any rain, it would resprout like a chia pet. That's assuming you can drive a scraper up and down the steep mountainsides, over boulders and rocks and off down sheer cliffs. Also, good luck with the mudslides with any amount of rain. Just to get a few things cleared up: California does controlled burns all the time. I'm not sure where the rhetoric comes from but it sure has a big audience. Second, CalFire will let a fire burn if it's not threatening the human population, not sure where that rhetoric comes from either, but we don't put out every fire. That would be impossible. Again, for those unfamiliar with the terrain - try extinguishing a wildfire in the deep sierra at 9k feet in elevation, far from any roads or access points. Those fires will burn all summer and they'll be extinguished by winter snows. I know because from my home in Fresno I see plumes of smoke coming from the Sierra all summer long most summers. Newsom destroying dams??? Not sure what talking point this is about. I'm not here as a Newsome apologist - but there's water to be had. Has anyone in the city of Los Angeles ever gone without water? I don't think so. Water is always prioritized for urban areas - so the fact that fire fighters in the Palisades ran out of water was not because the city lacked access to water. Sure, mismanagement at the local level with ensuring the LOCAL dam had repairs and held water played a part - but let's not pretend the city of Los Angeles was on any type of water ration. We have plenty of water storage capacity - what we lack is water falling from the sky in the way of snow and rain. When was the San Luis Reservoir or Millerton Lake ever at full capacity? Or New Melones, or San Pedro, or Folsom, or Oroville, or... you get the point. When water rationing happens, it's farmers who are largely left to ration and sell what they get. Los Angeles, San Francisco and all of the cities in the state are first to get their water allotments. Heck, even Fresno (at the foot of one of the largest rivers coming out of the Sierra) rations residential water while it sends water (via the Delta & CA Aqueduct) to Los Angeles for unbridled use. (yes, water flows north first, then south) BTW, if we didn't let any fresh water go out of our dams into the Delta, we'd be pumping sea water into the aqueduct and into taps in Los Angeles. The encroaching sea water would pollute some of the most fertile farmland in the nation as well. Let's stop with the misinformation and political rhetoric. Not only do salmon and smelt need fresh water in the delta, so do 18M plus humans in Southern California.

I have been looping weather channel on tv since my parents got cable in the early 80s! My heart goes out to all the burn victims and losses of magnificent historical properties! Truly a momentous event and deeply tragic.

Gracias @pindo