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Great palm! I’m sure you are going to grow it well. I can’t add anything regrading cold hardiness but I do have one that does pretty good on the coast however the leafs tend to get a bit burnt from the sea breeze and sun. Overall a great palm.

Start an IV STAT. That palm needs hydration.

I first spotted these in 2022 when I was staying at one of the houses nearby, now I just remembered them. There’s this vacant lot out in lakeway that has at least 3 wild CIDP growing. Plus a few Butia, which don’t look too good. I can’t confirm for sure that these are naturalized, however there are two mature CIDP just a block away that they could have come from. Also these are expensive homes, and I’m pretty sure if anyone wanted a CIDP they would just transplant one. There’s also about a dozen Filifera on the same street that are all pretty big. Unfortunately the views when you drive past aren’t great, but you can still see a few of them. Aerial view isn’t much better

I know there aren't many PT'ers in the Houston area, but figured I'd post here first before listing on FB. Porch pickup from League City or can possibly arrange to have pick up in Memorial area on Fridays. Paypal/Zelle/Venmo. Not interested in shipping at this time. Chrysalidocarpus/Dypsis Pembana 1gal $15. I have a bunch, mostly red petiole but a few yellow as well. Allagoptera Arenaria 1g $15. These are 3 years old and notoriously slow seedlings, so should be time for them to start speeding up. Have multiple. Butia Odorata 3gal. Only have 1. $20 Livistona Decora 7gal $75. These were from NTCHP and they want to go in the ground badly. The Decora in the pic is from the same batch but was the lucky one that got planted in summer of '21. They grow FAST in ground. Survived 15° unprotected with no issues. Not a palm, but I have a bunch of 3gal Brachychiton Rupestris aka Queensland Bottle Tree. $40 ea. Chamaedorea Tepejilote 1gal. $10, have multiple.

Interesting. I see a lot of naturalized sabals and washingtonias in the area. I don't know if I have found any CIDP or butias naturalized yet. I have posted a pic before of a couple of CIDP on a vacant lot Cibolo, but I am not sure if perhaps there used to be a farmhouse or something on the site before the area was developed into subdivisions:

I looked at it and thought I can’t buy it I have no room left in the car to put it (was going to leave the wife behind for extra room but thought twice about that). So I packed the car up jam packed full already and guess who had room for the palm. Now all I have to is go pick up the wife🤣 Richard

It’s been this way since I bought this house 4 years ago. Though, it seems to be getting worse. Is it manganese deficiency? Doesn’t quite look like what I can google. South Florida here. Soil is mostly sand

A visit to Brisbane botanical gardens. Quite an impressive garden with a lot of age with the plants on display throughout the garden. They certainly have there work cut out for them with this garden. It’s absolutely gorgeous. With some very large mature palms.

Talk about a kid in a candy store omg. What fun it is to have so many new palms to choose from and some absolute bargains. As a palm grower myself I could not resist a kerriodoxa even though I have 700 of them in my greenhouse I just had to buy it. Even a nice Cham genoformis, dypsis poiveana I already have quite a few in containers and in the ground but I still had to buy them I just can’t help myself. So the list of palms I purchased are as follows. cham genoformis, pritchardia martii, licuala pelata sumowongii, synecanthus warscewizianus, hydriastele pinangoides, dypsis managenerensis, dypsis rosea, Cham elatior, ptychosperma cuneatum, rhopalastylis sapida, dypsis poiveana, dypsis pinnatafrons, Cham nubiums Pinanga insignis dypsis arenarium blue form, dypsis robusta, Chuniophoenix humilis, Calum’s muelleri and an Arenga caudata. An absolute feeding frenzy of palm buying and the best part was a total blast of fun doing so. Just a couple more for the collection.

Tis 'also the season for getting spring projects completed before the dawn of " Nuke Season " begins to illuminate the eastern horizon in a couple months ..if not earlier this year... Slightly raised, gravel- filled beds separating the block wall from the back lawn looks much nicer than letting the lawn take up all the space.. As mentioned before, specific Canna / summer flowering annual stuff will fill these beds.. In this particular section, left the level of gravel placed in the block holes a little lower compared to other areas ( ...Where i filled the holes to the top ) ..Because this part of the yard stays shaded and moist in winter, even one as dry as this year apparently ...and the bottom of all the blocks placed here aren't open, ..thus being able to retain some water, ...or at least allow water to slowly drain, considering another experiment with native Fern spores here next winter.. May stick some Yerba Mansa offsets in a few of the holes too. Still undecided on whether or not the corner ..behind the log.. will be good enough for throwing a Hedychium in there, or still too hot / sunny.. Now that it is enclosed, need to get / mix in a couple bags of compost ..and get what Tomatoes / Peppers Mex. Oregano ( Lippia gravolens ) / Basil will go in there planted. Italian Long pepper planted 2 years ago? ...awakening to Spring, #3.. Hiding under the 5-6" of block buried below the soil line lies another 8-10" of hardwire cloth around the entire edge of the bed which should deter the furry menace. * Hopefully * Next area to be done.. Don't think the yard would look right if i didn't do this section. Since i'm pretty sure i'll have gravel left after i complete the final two sections of raised beds along the back wall, will likely fill in this area around the base of the Ficus, after i lay down hardwire cloth to keep the furry menace out.. For whatever reason, Bermuda ..which grows everywhere else, will not fill in under here. Would look nicer with a defined, slightly raised bed around it anyway.. Thing in the pot in front of the Ficus is a zone 13 Bursera sp native to a small area of Oaxaca along the Pacific coast of Mexico .. Extra driveway space filled in.. Head off it is a 3ft wide raised bed ..so anyone parking there doesn't hit the block wall separating the front and back yards.. Random " add in " spots to the sidewalk beds.. Aside from spreading the mounds of older rocked moved from a different spot, only things i need to add to the " main " bed out there are the two Plumeria i'm planting, the " summer flowering " cacti, and a pair of Colorado Four-o-Clocks ( Mirabilis multiflora ).. Next fall, i tackle installing 16-18" barrier below the scalloped edging ( if i don't decide to move it to the sidewalk edge / replace w/ block.. ) to keep the Bermuda out..

Chambeyronia Macrocarpa just got the ring

This red Areca vestiaria frond popped open the last few days. Took all winter to get there but looks good.

With the start of a new month comes the start of a new season ..defined by the only way of defining the seasons that matters, Meteorologically.. Final month of " winter " spent well above average, + our first official 90s for 2025, ..a month early, = plenty of stuff awakening from their winter naps in the yards ..and beyond... Hippeastrum " Stargazer, Minerva, ..or .... " right at peak bloom, while inflo #2 produced by this plant gets ready to open.. Solanum houstonii Calliandra eriophylla.. Echinocereus coccineus ..or triglochidatus.. flowering ..One of the two planted in the yard at least.. ..Ahead of the Beavertails and specimen these offsets came from at the old house too.. Seed started Coral Honeysuckle i thought i'd killed after yanking last fall.. White Veined Pipevine ** Not pictured ** Native Pipevine, A. watsonii is already starting to flower.. Clitoria mariana peeking out of the soil about 4 weeks ahead of schedule.. Caliche Globemallow Though it has thrown around a few sporadic flowers, Erythrostemon palmeri is already reloaded with buds.. While a few in the neighborhood are just starting to show any color, looks like the TX Mtn Laurel will beat the Sweet Acacia across the street to the stage this year.. The pale - flowered specimen.... Orange Tecoma cultivar.

Well it’s official the Coffs Harbour botanical garden conservation project is underway. With a donation of palms from Colin Wilson and Lyn Crehan. They have been more than generous in donating their time for the project with some amazing palms to start planting out in the gardens. I still have to go through them and find out exactly what I have got to plant. I look forward to the project getting underway for future generations to have such great rare beautiful plants. Iam the garden’s curator will be more than pleased with what’s available in palms for the garden. I would like to personally thank Colin and Lyn for giving me this opportunity to be part of such a great project, along with pacsoa and the wonderful people behind such a great organisation. I will post a list of what palms I have for now they can rest up with a good watering after such a long journey.

Here is Adam's Tahina.

It looks like it could be cold damage possibly? Does E edulis generally do ok in SF?? I tried the orange crownshaft variety here and found it pretty wimpy...our climates are reasonably similar if you're in the cooler parts of SF. Just a thought.

Yike! Ham-handed and incomplete. Washies and similar are fire hazards; kings and Rhopies are not.

Humans have very varied interpretations of "usefulness". Some make dwellings or hats for sun protection, some eat the fruit. I can say that palms are apparently much more useful preventing hurricane damage to your house than dicots. Oaks, elms, eucalyptus all were felled by hurricane Milton last fall. Some fell on houses, some became a mess to haul away. My 8 closest neighbors had obvious roof damage including leaks, needing new roofing jobs. My house had minimal damage to 10 feet of the cap. My place has ~60 mature palms instead of dicots. The tallest palms took a whooping for sure, but are already pushing out new leaves. Perhaps you should ask carribean islanders how useful palms are? After a big hurricane comes through the palms often still standing ready to refresh the crowns while the dicots are often dead and gone. Dicots are messy when they seasonally drop leaves and twigs, many palms are relatively clean, especially the self shedding ones.

I think "usefulness to humans" is an incredibly poor standard to judge any plant by.

All this talk of Allogoptera arenaria flowering must have induced mine to flower. I need some tips on helping the pollination process from Richard.

Zamia hamannii starting it's yearly "flush" of a single spike. My favourite of the plicate zamias

@Foggy Paul do you know the type of rock? Granite is mostly silica and may not dissolve much, but marble chips are mostly calcium carbonate and dissolve much faster. I don't know if it would be enough to really affect the palms or not. Two things come to mind: too much of one nutrient can inhibit absoption of others with "nutrient antagonism" So too much N or Mg = K deficiency. The other is soil ph: But it looks like Potassium is only affected by really low pH, which is probably not an issue.

@carlosinkw welcome to PalmTalk! In general I would say "transplant shock," just meaning it is actively growing new roots and getting acclimated. If the new fronds are solid green and growing, then it is probably just short on Potassium. Typically a potassium deficiency shows up as translucent, yellow or dead brown spots on the oldest leaves, occasionally with dead tips. At 3.5 months it is definitely time to fertilize. I would say 1 or 2 handfuls of Florikan or Palmgain, spread randomly in maybe a 6ft diameter circle. If it keeps having potassium deficiemcy signs, you could add some Langbeinite / Sulpomag / Kmag. Nothing will "fix" the yellow spots, but the fertilizer may stop it from progressing further.

Definitely wait for it to finish blooming before you try replanting it. I just had this discussion with my friend Harry while touring his garden today. Harry’s brother is Andy of Andy's Orchids here in Leucadia. I was picking up this Dendrobium speciosum Hillii. He recommended very shallow pots for me to replant some of my smaller specimens. I planted ssp Grandiflora on a thin bark layer on top of a rock that is slowly rooting after 2 years in the ground.

A complete bargain I had to buy it, even if has to stay in the greenhouse. The feedback so far is in the positive direction for living but you never know when it comes to winter. Richard

I can only try for such beautiful palm. Temperatures will get down to 2 degrees Celsius, so a good protected spot with lots of rocks around might see it being a winner time will tell.

Yep I had to buy for that price, a lot of palm that will explode once planted in the ground. I will acclimate it for a winter or two, it was grown on the Gold Coast so I stand some chance for now. But definitely score of the week in the palm sales department. You have to get up to PACSOA show next year for what’s available nowhere else.

So you’re a bold and a beautiful lady I take it. Got your eye on Ridge have you. Richard

I have grown many Sadleria from Jim at the fern factory. His original spore was collected in Hawaii. Many when young are very top heavy and floppy. Sometimes I plant them a little deeper, mound up the soil or stake them until they become more stable. They all look identical to the plant Rivera is growing. The photos are of my largest one with many pups. What is interesting is that the parent plant throws a red new leaf but some of the pups from the same plant, in the same location, put out a red new leaf and some a new green leaf. One of my favorite ferns in the garden. For me, grows best in full sun. I am about 3 miles from the beach. The one shown is south facing next to the cement driveway and never burns.

That is an awesome palm for the price Richard. Itaya has always been one of my favourite tropical palms I wish I could grow. A friend of mine has a nice one growing down here in a heated glasshouse. I think you’re a chance in your location but maybe keep it protected until it establishes. Here’s one at Gardens by the Bay in Singapore. Photo taken 9 years ago.

It’s too early. And unfortunately, Sabals do so poorly at being transplanted, it’s not 100% chance it survives at all. I would plant in like a 5 gallon pot, where they can stay for a while. And transplant after 2 years. They will need a solid root system and more vegetation to make it through winter. im zone 8a. Here’s my 2 year old palmetto In pot for 1 year, went in ground April 24.

I don't know the climate there, but I would wait until Late April/ Early May, or just pot them up until they get to a decent size before planting them

The annual pacsoa show is on this weekend and the buy of the week is this Itaya amicorum. What a gorgeous looking palm never heard of it but I have now. Hopefully it will take the cold you just never know until you try.

It's going to be great sale at University of Miami. There will be at least a total of 242 species of palms and cycads for sale. I say at least, as one possible vendor has not yet committed to the sale. In addition, there will be a tour of the UM's Gifford Arboretum on Saturday, beginning at 2:00 pm. The weather looks great so please join us. See www.southfloridapalmsociety.org for the consolidated list of palms and cycads and directions to the SFPS Show and Sale.

Hi NC-Key-Bar, Thanks for the advice. I will just experiment with the palm seeds and seedlings. I’ll plant them later this spring. That’s a nice healthy Sabal palmetto.

Hi DTS, Yes, I agree. I plan to put the palm seeds and seedlings in the ground around the end of April. Thanks!

In the public area of the Darwin Botanical Gardens it seems they only have female plants, which are always loaded with fruit with plenty laying on the ground. However (there's always a "but", but however will do here) they're small and sterile. I've heard they've got males "out the back" somewhere so maybe there's a breeding program there. I could imagine if they had plants with fertile fruits in the public area they probably wouldn't last long. It's completely open and unfenced. I know someone who works at the gardens, must get in contact with her and find out whether they have mature fruits that sometimes "fall off the back of a truck". 🫢

As I moved over the years, I've only sometimes had opportunties via real estate listings to view some of the landscaping I created and the changes that have taken place. This previously owned property we sold almost 6 years ago is now up for sale once again. Have you been able to see your past work?

At the time, I met the new owner and we spoke briefly. He mentioned his interest in the plantings and his lack of knowledge about them. I considered leaving a property map detailing the plantings but I found myself far too busy to create such a thing. I really felt the need to detatch myself from any emotional connection and move on. I now find it's an interesting past era in my gardening journey.

Waggy planted where mule was. Couldn't take seeing the empty dirt spot any longer! https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HMSAP001GTw

They are a bit like a licuala but the leaves get massive. They survive in the Fairchild Botanic Garden, which is in the middle bit of Florida where it can get cool in winter. One of the palm nurseries in Brisbane had a batch of them about 20 years ago (when I was still in primary school) At the time I was told they are a good house plant but for some reason I never bought one. The nursery your palm came from is sort of halfway between Brisbane and the Gold Coast, so it should take any cold your place throws at it. Peachy

They were planted in the fall of 2002 as small two gallon palms. There's also a S. 'Birmingham' (left) and a S. minor (right) in the front garden aong with some xeriscape plantings. I planted the 'Birmingham' as a small strap leaf seedling about 2016 or so. The minor was much larger, 3 gallon perhaps. I don't see a fairly large C. humilis located in the back yard.

I drive by our old house every now and then. Some of the palms are still there and very big. The house has sold twice since we owned it. Harry

Like 3 years ago when I moved out of Austin, I took like 80 Washingtonia seedlings I had on my patio and went and planted them next to a creek. Can't see them from google maps, so unfortunately I won't ever know if any of them lived unless I go back.

@Las Palmas Norte Yes, only to be heart broken of what was ripped out, etc... Now I just detach myself and remember that it was a business dealing, lol. Nice pics there, love the windmills.

Your fern looks healthy, but something about it tells me it’s not a Sadleria. It’s carrying too many leaves, especially for San Francisco. I have many of these in my surrounding forest, and that just doesn’t look the same to me.

The protected tropical bed The new Archontohoenix cunninghamiana not liking its sacrificial haircut but it's pushing Alexandrae is going to defoliate. At least it grows like a weed. I got lazy with the cover in this section (you can see the partially melting Monstera) New leaves! new leaves! Chuniophoenix hainanensis and Licuala fordiana Cyphophoenix elegans slow but steady at 3 leaves a year Euterpe edulis is actually a leaf making machine, keeps up with the king palm even

It's true. At 8B, we're the "icebox" of the Gulf Coast, vulnerable to continental air masses that funnel down from Canada (says the armchair meteorologist). It's not unheard of for temperatures to swing 60° within a day or two. I'm just beginning to understand that how the cold arrives makes a difference in how it affects plants. I continue to be surprised and fascinated by which species are the survivors and which are the casualties. I'm pretty lazy about protection, so I marvel at those who build 20' tall terrariums for their beloved palms. My attitude is more along the lines of, "Oops, I thought that plant would thrive here. Oh well... compost pile."

I never said it was impossible with a sophisticated shelter. I am merely stressing the extent that you will have to go to in order to get a CIDP through winter in a wet-cold 7b, especially once it starts gaining size. Look at that big, heated shelter the guy in Poland is putting up each winter (complete with an underground heating radiator system). That is a huge undertaking, both physically and financially! But where there is a will, there is obviously a way, if you are prepared to go to those lengths. For many people such a setup will just not be practical. And once it becomes too big to protect and too inconvenient (assuming they manage to grow it to that point), it is gong to get taken out by the winters there. A CIDP in Poland or NYC is ultimately going to be on borrowed time either way. You will only have it for as long as you can protect it. And that protection has to be on point. Something nobody in NYC appears to have been able to do, as of yet (hence why there isn't any there). But as I have previously said, I would love to see someone in NYC get a CIDP to a half decent size! I could fire back at you and keep the heated exchange going between us, but it will not be constructive in any way for the OP. Some people will want to see us get in a back and forth, for entertainment, but others will be getting annoyed by it, so I will try to keep things civil now. As I said, the OP doesn't gain anything from us arguing. I certainly don't get anything out of it and I doubt you do either. So I will heed Jonathans advice and chill. I have certainly not taken anything out on the OP either, which you suggest. I have tried to provide relevant input in my previous comments, as have some members from the PNW. Both the UK and the PNW have areas which are the upper limits for where CIDP can be grown anywhere, so our input is invaluable on what factors take out CIDP's in relation to temperatures and the wet-cold. We know what parts they will grow in exactly, and what parts they won't, even with limited protection. The bottom line is that you will need an exceptional and sophisticated shelter to get small CIDP's to grow on in NYC. Maybe the OP will be able to step up his protection a bit this year with better heating and airflow? I am also aware that New York has just had the driest November on record, hence the drought issue currently. That means very little however against climatology. We only had 0.2 inches of rainfall here in June, but now everywhere is a soaking wet boggy mess after a very wet September and October. Likewise, the 9 month period from November 2021 to August 2022 was record dry, however the 6 month period from October 2023 - March 2024 was the wettest 6 month period on record here. So it will always flip between wet and dry periods. That doesn't change the fact that NYC averages 50 inches of rain a year however. So it is quite wet there. As for your comment about me supposedly being angry about someone growing palms in NYC, I can assure you that is not the case. Myself and those in the PNW are probably sceptical about the prospects for something like CIDP, given our experiences, but I think most of us (myself included) would love to see a zone pushed CIDP flourishing in NYC with adequate protection. Do I think that is impossible? No. But I do think it is unlikely. I hope the OP can prove me wrong on this. Anyway, this is what the Polish guy's protection looked like during the first winter his CIDP was in the ground and I believe he planted it at a bigger size than the OP's. You can see that his drainage is very good there as well with lots of gravel. You may need to construct something akin to this setup for winter... @Nomad NYC Compared to now... He heats it with a radiator that is connected via underground pipes directly from the house and keeps it at about 50F during a proper freeze event when it could be almost 0F outside. So that's 50F of heating on the coldest of nights. He also heats the ground to 70F in spring as well once the shelter has come off, to help with it's growth. His annual precipitation is only 24 inches as well, which is less than half of NYC. Just saying. So a few factors to consider here with this zone pushed CIDP.

I have now protected the soil and stem with a heating cable and some fleece. The fronds are exposed to nights around 39f (4C). It’s a tall variety, Panama or Jamaican.