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I was surprised to see this at Leu Gardens in Orlando, Florida back in December 2025. Wonder how it handled the big freeze event?

I don’t see many sabinara on palmtalk, iam sure they are out there I just don’t see many here. I have 4 in the ground and a few seedlings. Surely iam not the only one growing them, are there any Australians in a subtropical zone growing them. Or am I the only one growing them this far south.

Chamaedorea adscendens.

You wait and see what that shovel can do, a good operator on a machine like this can perform gardening miracles! Richard

Sounds like it’s just to cold and wet, and the varieties you have chosen are just not suitable for your climate.

Update May 2026..

Where there's a will, there's a way. Home depot rents 32 foot tall ladders for $50. I rented the ladder, edited my Bismarck, and had the ladder checked back in at 3 hours time. Planning out the job ahead really makes things go smoothly.👍 aztropic Mesa, Arizona

Chucking them in the ground while the rain is about, some proven winners again. Chambeyronia, chamaedorea, kerriodoxas, dypsis black petiole, Calyptrocalyx spicatus, davidson plum and a dioon spinolosum. A bit more of the tropical look happening.

They are tough the Schizophylla this one is in a tough spot out in the hot sun! Richard

Some decent rain after a dry spell is always welcome. You can water all day long with a hose, but the difference good rain makes you just can’t beat!

A nice Chambeyronia in the greenhouse and a beautiful archontophoenix out in the garden.

Just a few more Chams in the greenhouse!

I have one the same in my garden. It even takes forever to open up a new leaf, holding up to 3 spears at once.

Explanation is easy. Like Richard had written right above, it is the combination of cold and wet that does Phoenix dactylifera in. Real date palm may be even cold hardier than CIDP but in an arid climate. High air moisture does not suit it well. And iberica is just another dactylifera. Many growers call deliberately Iberica common dactylifera specimens growing and fruiting in Spain! There is not a separate iberica sp, we can find genetical traces of a wild sp in some Spanish date palms but this does not mean that this wild sp still exists. Similar situation with the Neanderthal genes in the DNA of European population. Another grower in north-western France saw his iberica declining slowly. Perhaps an F1 hybrid of dactylifera with theophrasti could offer you the opportunity to grow a dactylifera without such problems.

The reason for a fairly comprehensive test is to check that you don't have problematic conditions which prevents proper growing conditions. If you're on a serpentine belt, for example. There could be some problems with heavy metals.

That’s a beauty that one. And it would be intresting to see how it handled the big freeze event, my ones have seen temperatures as low as 2 degrees celsius. So fairly cool tolerant. This approaching winter will be the first real outdoor test. Growing in the ground is a bit different from the greenhouse conditions, which they handled not a problem.

It's recovering. I'll get some photos when I get a chance. It defoliated but never stopped growing.

Perhaps they should try another one, they are a beautiful tree. I did see one in the Kew gardens a few years back.

That’s a lovely specimen, shortly after they discovered them and propagated them botanical gardens around the world where the first gardens to get them as gifts to ensure their survival. Then slowly they became available from a specialist nursery that had the license to propagate and sell them.

Great night to plant the clearance rack Washy…

That was quite helpful thank you very much! Not the Bifida for sure!

Not a palm but cool:

@Brad52 here's a closer detail on the two. Bifida has 2 separate attachment points, so the bifid leaf comes straight off the rachis: Micholitzii will have the middle and lower leaves coming off the rachis as a pair. It will have a fairly short stub before it splits into two bifid leaves:

Never been even a hint of red with this one. From what I've read here, apparently quite a rare variation - I guess I got lucky!

Looks like they are loving life in the shade. Here is one of my hookeri that popped two days ago. light passing through the leaf is flame Light back reflecting off the leaf transits different chemophore compartments(mostly epidermis) and is dark red

Thrinax radiata is a great palm. As a native, it’s now on the favored list, and is planted by the hundreds in every parking lot, and along every road and highway and median down here. These do look better with a little shelter and care, but they are planted out in the open right on the beach and still make it, though they get beat up there.

I can see why as well!

A few of the ladies on their mother’s day. How poetic that dyer decides to start dropping its seeds…. F2 trans wood, Latifrons, horridus, F2 natwood, dyerianus

High resolution image support will be a game changer for the forum. Looking forward to the update!

I heard they fall over backwards if scream expletives at them.

Long time wish: Dedicated spot, separate from the main palm section, for pest /disease ID and help /advise.. Could add it in below the " Palms in pots " section, or make it it's own stand alone spot.. Keep simple and all together, or divide into 2 simple sections: 1 for Palms and Cycads, 2nd.. For everything else non- Palm and Cycad.. ....Aand dark mode ..the option to go darker at least..

Hi all. We are planning a three week trip to Thailand and Vietnam next January, and just bought our airline tickets. The itinerary will be something like Chiang Mai - Bangkok - south islands/beaches - Mekong Delta - Ho Chi Minh City - Hoi An - Hanoi - Halong Bay. This will not be specifically a palm tour, but I'd be interested to hear of any can't-miss places. I know about Nong Nooch, and we might go there but I also might prefer less of the amusement park vibe. Thanks for any suggestions.

Those are massive and pretty close to the house! I had a thought that you could pre drill a few holes and put copper nails in the trunks. I have killed a ficus benjamina stump that wouldn't die with stump rot etc this way. It kept coming back till I put the copper nails in. It took a few months to kill it, now Im waiting for the rot to set in. The Cu nails themselves will need a hole drilled as they are mostly copper and not stout like iron nails. I purchased them on amazon. Dave, I remember your archies from 15 years ago, I didnt realize they got this big! I will cut back fertilizer and irrigation water on mine. I see royals come down here after drying out, seems like they dont topple but just waste away. A dry palm is likely less than 1/3rd the weight of a live one. Might be better to let them dry out before felling them. It does prevent a garden redo for years I expect. After seeing these pics I am looking around my yard at what will one day come down. I used to think I wanted fast growing big tall palms, at some point my view changed due to aesthetics, but now safety and removal are looming larger.

Dark mode!

Edited a palm and it tried to edit me.

That's one of the furthest inland pre-2010 coconuts in Manatee county. It's been there at least since 2007 https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4392994,-82.4530506,3a,48.9y,26.72h,87.46t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s9lTgaiMreRLuOxA_fpQ0vw!2e0!5s20071101T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.5371347235223425%26panoid%3D9lTgaiMreRLuOxA_fpQ0vw%26yaw%3D26.719328648313933!7i3328!8i1664?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDUwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Found this on route 70 in Lakewood Ranch today. About 20-25' tall.

Yep, ^ this is exactly what i saw when roaming the area after the 2010 freeze.. Wasn't there in '18, but did see a morning or two near freezing ( ..light frost in my yard, over by IMG Academy ) in early '16, right before moving here. As mentioned elsewhere, saw frost in yards near where i'd worked at the time in Sarasota, just west of 75 on the same days as well. Saw some 2026 street views near the old house in Bradenton yesterday and ..I too was surprised to see specific trees i'd pass daily / observe closely looking completely flawless ( Gumbo Limbo planted near the Oyster Bar, Cassia afrofistula in a yard nearby on FL. Blvd, Pseudobombax e. near the CVS / Target on Bayshore Gardens ) Expected to see more remnant damage..

I'm living right at I75 and 70.

Are you living in Lakewood ranch area now? This year's freeze was a bit of an anomaly in that we stayed so much warmer here on the west coast of Florida for such a bad freeze. Usually we get colder than the east coast at the same latitude. This past winter, Bradenton and Sarasota had the same ultimate low as Miami of 34⁰F, and Lakewood ranch had the same low as West Palm Beach and Homestead at 30⁰F. That's definitely not normal. Even though it's rated 10A, east of 75 is still susceptible to freezes. Just as recently as 2018, I hit 32⁰ in my yard in West Bradenton and it was 27⁰ out in Lakewood ranch. And it got quite a bit colder in 2010. Lakewood Ranch hit mid 20s and I believe even lower 20s in some areas. I wasn't here for that freeze, but talking to the nursery people, they lost a lot of tropicals in 2010 in the Lakewood Ranch area. They even lost bigger mature stuff. West of 75 is much safer from freezes. West of 41 is even better.

Hey y’all, I had a question. I’ve had this palm for probably 12 years. A great grower, looks good all the time, almost no burned leaves ever. A few years ago, it began flowering. A little sporadically at first, but now it’s to the point where every leaf base has a flower spathe underneath. The upshot is that it flowers like crazy, millions of little flowers falling, all throughout the year. But absolutely no fruit has ever developed. Any thoughts is what might be causing this? It just looks and grows so dang good in every other way, it’s hard to believe that it’s missing nutrients. Thanks in advance!

I'm still awaiting my first summer here. Yikes. Also, I have to deal with the dreaded hoa situation. Still, a happy adonidia triple and a covert dwarf maypan in the backyard are all I need. Excuse me, sir, is that a coconut palm on your property? No sir, that's.... Uhhh.... A beccariophoenix alfredii Mr. Hoa Guy.

The reason you don't see anything 40 years old is because there wasn't anything here 40 years ago. I was blown away by the lack of damage from this year's cold weather. I believe their new zone is 10a.

Zephyrhills is identical to my area climate wise. Not surprised about these the last few years. New port richey has some huge mature fruiting coconuts now.

Happened across this lot in Zephyrhills today. There were a few coconuts that had mature leaves. They didn't look to be there all that long from what I could tell on Street View, but still commendable none the less. Zephyrhills - May 2025

Very cool my Friend.

Updated pictures of my Copernicia Fallensis and Tahina Spectabilis as of today….

No worries, feel free to post whatever goodies you know of from that area.. Maybe not in my specific neighborhood ( ..Other than what i'd left , if any of it is still there ) definitely lots of uncommon stuff in that area for sure.. Good - sized Copernicia macroglossa next to an eye doctor's office, Pink Pseudobombax, Plumeria ....galore.. BIG Mangoes, and some of the bigger Guamanchil i've seen anywhere in some f the neighborhoods not far from the house as well. ...Silver Tabebuia ..and a Brachychiton, ( possibly a cross between bidwillii and acerfolius, about a block from the house ), ....and possibly the rarest thing i'd see fairly often when driving to / from work, this Cassia afrofistula pictured below, Possibly the only specimen around since it appears the one at Selby has been removed for their expansion. I'd had a light frost on a morning or two when we lived there but, beyond that ..never got cold. Lay of the land in that corner of Bradenton seemed to influence things very nicely. Agree ..beyond 100% ( if that's possible ) WHY anyone would plant Queens there, when much better things can be grown? ...so far beyond my comprehension i don't even care to wonder. Bad enough they're planted here, lol Aside from watching that Cassia for seed, do wish i could access the trimmed Gumbo Limbos planted in front of the Oyster Bar at 14th ( Hwy 41 ) and 69th W. Should have tried to start a bunch of cuttings from them when i had the opportunity.

I came across a few older coconuts in the middle of Pinellas Park today. Previously, I didn’t think this area was warm enough since it is far from the Gulf and the Bay. Evidently, it still has a pretty solid climate. Two are pictured here, then there was one more on the other side of the street.

Checking on a few things at the old house in Bradenton via street view, noted a little something local folks might be interested in checking out if / when passing through the area.. Remember all the buzz about plans for major development of the Ag fields within the.. and southwest of.. 53rd Ave West / El Conquistador Pkwy Corridor shortly before leaving the area.. Appears that is finally starting to oocur, ....at least south / southwest of El Conquistador, and includes a giant, artificial Lagoon. Bird's eye views.. From what i can see from the road ..and zooming in from the vantage point of where street view stops ( shot #2 ), appears they did not skimp on use of Veitchia, Royals, a few Foxtails, and Coconuts for this development. Couple years from now, this should look pretty amazing.