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Had this one in the ground for 26 years. And it seems to have enjoyed growing in the garden. I do know with the dead leaves not to mulch them in the garden they get seperated for the big compost heap. Too many times when planting plants in that area you get the needle sharp spines in the hands. One glorious palm not that often seen in my area!

A nice Chambeyronia putting on a show at 6.30 on a foggy morning!

Maybe technically, but it’s really not the cold that does damage to roots generally, it’s the combination of cold and wet that promotes rot. Free draining mixes are very important in temperate climates I’ve found. For what it’s worth I kept 5 of my 11 sprouted seeds I mentioned earlier in this thread after gifting a few. All planted in the ground but now I’ve dug one to donate to the Melbourne Botajic Gardens soon. They’ve been slow but reliable and trouble free growers with some variability in colour and growth rate. They are now around 7.5 years from germination.

A troop of Licuala grandis at Four Arts:

After chugging along since 2018, one of my Torallyi kicked the bucket over the winter/spring this year in Northern California. A very unremarkable 9B winter - not very cold, some nice periods of rain, and everything else in the yard came through nicely, including two other Torallyi. Marked the dried out/bleached out center spear two months ago and it hadn't moved a bit. Have always stressed about my Torallyi randomly dying a la DOOMSDAVE's massive Torallyi. Surprise, it died. Had it removed today and wanted to ask the collective - Put down a JxS into the hole immediately? Or give it some time? No real signs of disease that I could see - tree guy didn't have any ideas either. He did say that whatever I planted there probably wouldn't grow all that well - being boxed in by the driveway/fence/old roots. -E

The hookeri are flowering well this season. No seeds so far over the last 3 seasons from when they started to flower. Iam in no hurry for any seeds of them. One day they will set seeds and I will most likely give them away.

Hopefully I can send them around the globe!

My single-trunked 9 ft (2.7 m) tall Chrysalidocarpus (Dypsis) lutescens.

Chamaedorea genoformis and chamaedorea metallica tucked away in the understory!

All these responses are so helpful, Im grateful for the help. I knew they would get tall, I had no idea they were going to have such large trunks. Those really are massive.....I am looking around my yard to see where else they might thrive. Once I have done that, then I can consider what kind of Palm to put there in the front of the house. I would like a nice palm or 2 there for a pretty focal point in between the shudders, but ...now I know to find a much smaller breed. Im learning so much already.

A nice variegated rhapis planted beside the good old water tank!

Welcome! The trunk on Ravenea Rivularis get quite large , but I wouldn’t worry about it now that they are planted. Do not be surprised if the fronds burn a bit for the first several months , they are acclimating to their new home . These are water lovers and need a good watering regularly. They grow along waterways sometimes in habitat. The one on the left will soon get very close to the scalloped edging you have so you may want to move that out. I would put more wood chips where the soil is showing . All in all , good job and happy growing with those. Harry ‘This is one I have growing up through the fronds of a Caryota Obtusa. The trunk is tapered more than most palms . This one has a very large base . It will adapt to its surroundings . The two you have may become almost fused at the base eventually. Two Archontophoenix Cunninghamiana ( King Palms ) that were planted together as juveniles. Not a problem .

You'll achieve it with everyone's help. The spirit of a palm tree is to give life. And you have that great spirit, Richard. Or don't you know that seeing a palm tree sprout is life? And seeing the joy of a young person and an old person at the same time? Of course it's life. It's life bringing joy to life.

Those two Chambeyronias are very interesting, my friend. You have a truly exotic treasure. Congratulations! Your seeds will be the next seeds of life, from which thousands and hundreds of palm trees will emerge over many generations.

If you see em get em. They would grow there the Oraniopsis is cool tolerant and the lacospadix is just as cool tolerant. Oraniopsis is slow so most likely a snail in your climate! Richard

As seedlings look you can tell these ones are special. The delarbria were gifted seeds and the diospyros were imported seeds. They will all get planted in and around my garden. With the delarbria going into the understory.

I do believe it’s a troop of monkeys and a stand of palms! 🌱

A big palm in the understory, stretching towards the light. They are very tolerant of the shade, and from the pictures I have seen in this forum shade and sun grown are both totally different in looks. This one is around 27years old and it’s hit the teenage days about to burst into growth. Very tough palm that should be more planted about.

Argh cold a wet, the palm growers enemy!

@cgarlick welcome to Palmtalk! I had a triple and a single Foxtail before the freeze, but 22.5F likely killed all 4 of mine. One looks like it is trying to push a new frond, so I suppose it has a chance. Anything below 25F is likely to kill a Foxtail, even a mature one. Any palm that is visibly "weeping" near the crown probably has a severe crown infection. Any palm where the main trunk or upper crownshaft changed from round to irregularly sunken in probably has an internal trunk rot. When those two symptoms become visible the palm is already dead. So like in the first photo that left trunk is definitely dead.

@danilee welcome to Palmtalk! I started here with a few Bottle and Majesty palms around 8 years ago. My Majesties were planted in AM sun and PM shade, and did fine there. I made the mistake of moving them into a very sunny spot and they withered away. If you want to move them, I'd suggest an AM sun / PM shade spot. If they've been in the ground for a couple of months then the rootball is probably still 3 gallon pot shaped. *Most likely* you could scoop them out of the ground and plant elsewhere without messing up the roots too much. If you want a small palm there are a few easy choices. Bottle and Spindle palms are cold hardy if South of the Orlando-Tampa I4 line. North of there (like me) they are occasionally burnt to a crisp and sometimes die. Pygmy Dates are a couple of degrees tougher and more likely to bounce back after a bad freeze. Both are full sun capable in FL. There are hundreds of species, but not a large number that are small (say under 10ft crown diameter), full sun in FL, and cold hardy to North of I4. Do you have a particular size or shape in mind?

Hi everyone To provide a deeper context to my previous posts about the Stachen Microclimate, I have compiled a comprehensive global comparison. This data covers the period from 2014 to 2025 and pits my 425m (1,394 ft) enclave against some of the most famous palm-growing regions and maritime hubs in the Northern Hemisphere. Scientific Integrity: To ensure the highest accuracy, I have applied a conservative -0.3K safety adjustment to my annual means. This accounts for potential "heat spikes" in my solar-ventilated Bresser station during late afternoon periods when the solar fan might deactivate while the sun is still low. List (2014–2025): Location Elevation Annual Mean Absolute Minimum Santa Barbara (USA) 4 m 15.5 °C -1.0 °C Washington D.C. (USA) 5 m 15.4 °C -14.0 °C Bologna (IT) 37 m 15.0 °C -8.0 °C Venice Lido (IT) 4 m 14.7 °C -7.0 °C Verona (IT) 68 m 14.5 °C -10.0 °C Milan Malpensa (IT) 234 m 13.8 °C -11.0 °C Lyon (FR) 201 m 13.8 °C -10.0 °C Lugano (CH) 273 m 13.7 °C -6.0 °C Magadino (CH) 203 m 12.6 °C -9.0 °C STACHEN (CH) 425 m 12.5 °C* -11.0 °C Seattle (USA) 6 m 12.2 °C -10.0 °C London Heathrow (UK) 25 m 12.1 °C -7.0 °C Brest (FR) 99 m 12.1 °C -7.0 °C Kehelland (Cornwall) 87 m 11.6 °C -5.1 °C Constance (GER) 428 m 11.0 °C -11.1 °C *Adjusted by -0.3K safety margin. Key Observations: Elevation Efficiency: Despite being located 400m+ higher than London, Seattle, or Brest, Stachen outperforms them in annual mean temperature. This highlights the power of our local "Heat-Engine" and the Cfa (Humid Subtropical) characteristics. The "Milan Pattern": Our absolute minimum of -11.0 °C is identical to Milan-Malpensa. We share the same winter resilience and summer heat-sum as the northern Po Valley, but at nearly double the elevation. Regional Anomaly: The 1.5°C gap between Stachen and the regional reference in Constance (same elevation) confirms that our "Solar-Trap" setup and hedge-protection are creating a unique climatic island. Whether you are growing Trachycarpus, Jubaea, or even testing Strelitzia (which successfully overwintered here!), these numbers show that microclimate is often more decisive than latitude. Best regards Mazat

Well …. I have one of those , a Pupurea . I guess the other two will remain must have want list! That is if they would even grow here. Some nice ones there , and the list grows😎🌴. Harry

Agree with This... For reference, here's a couple shots of a smaller specimen back in my old neighborhood in CA. Tough to tell in the shot, but, width of the crown is roughly 12ft across. ..and this is still a baby. Now think about the two you have, and where you currently have them planted.. If you do a rando " Majesty Palm " search here on the forum, you'll find several threads w/ shots of just how big they can get, which will give you an idea of just how much space you'd want to give them. While it's true that palm roots aren't like tree roots ..in the sense that they typically don't destroy hard surfaces like a concrete walkway ..or the foundation of a house, palm species with a good - sized trunk width, like a Majesty, probably isn't the best option for so close to a home.. Depending on what part of FL you're in, there are other, slimmer palm options that would fit in that space better than these. For them?.. look over the total space of your property while imagining them larger / more mature.. That will help you decide where they will fit better compared to where you have them now. While they're definitely water and nutrient hogs < ..Love LOTS of K < = Potassium, > they are tough and will take some cold, ...if you're located in a colder part of the state.. Fast growing, so you won't have to wait as long as you might have to w/ some other palms to see them put on some size. Since you've only had them in the ground a couple months or so, they should transplant fairly easily since they're just starting to add on new root growth ..Do have their permanent homes already dug and ready to go ....before you move 'em. Keep them wet, and ..if you want to give them anything " fertilizer " after moving, you can give something easy .. like a compost tea / diluted Molasses ( 1 tbsp. to a gallon of water, 1x a month, for now ). ..It won't be until -at least- the fall before you'd even consider applying a stronger, palm special fertilizer. Hope this helps..

Yes , as @aztropic says , the Wodyetia let you know when they are not happy and usually never fully recover . Some palms can rebound very well but these are not forgiving , in my experience. The narrowing trunk near the crown is usually followed by smaller than usual fronds ….death sign. A healthy one is robust all the way up to the crown , only slightly tapering. Harry

A couple of good collecter palmscocothrinax eckmanii dypsis proceralicuala fordiana

Steer clear of that one , admire from at least arms length. A nice looking palm , no touchy! “ Am I a cactus or am I a palm?” Harry

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The iconic Kentia Palm seeds. A premium, popular, and adaptable indoor palm, highly tolerant of low light. AU$1 per seed (min 30/order, or negotiable for bulk orders. Can post or pick up Cheltenham South Australia

Thank you very much!PalmatierMeg This is a Lagerstroemia speciosa naturally growing in limestone crevices. Even though it is not a palm, this extreme growing environment has greatly altered its original massive mature size. Its dwarfed growth habit has inspired me with a new idea for space-saving container cultivation.

Yep... It may be a beautiful tree in a park, away from any hardscape, walls, plumbing, plants or grass, but otherwise I'd stay away from them... Here is that same little tree now.. Ahh-gree 1,000% For the love of ...anything... NEVER plant a Bl**pin' Pepper tree.. " CA. " ...or it's really awful Brazilian cousin. Horrible, horrible trees ...like most Eucalyptus, Mastic, and African Sumac. Carrotwood is another " avoid at all costs " trash tree.

The trunk rings at the bottom will get larger when the base widens. Above the base, no. One thing you will need to expect (and not be alarmed at all when it happens) is just before the base widens, large cracks will appear in the base. Don't panic. When the expansion concludes, the trunk will be smooth again. It happenson a lot of palms but is quite noticeable on Archontos. I'll see if any mine are doing that right now and get a photo if any of them are.

The first two photos go together…

Im excited about the potencial of this hybrid given the parentage but they be SLOOOOOW!

This Dwarf Horridus has been with me a long time! One of the caudexes starting to throw a flush.

Pure strain Arenarius throwing a nice one.

yeah rain is the biggest factor here for growth rate. Dry soil means the palm cannot feed normally. Nutrient uptake requires moisture, osmotic effects come to a standstill in dry soil. SO when your soil dries out after watering, feeding drops off. I measure growth by spear height changes, I dont mark spears. RIght now its been dry here so the spears are not moving much. My teddy's have been the easiest to see the difference over the past 2 years, they have added about 6' of height before the water restrictions hit. Everything in my yard has come to a crawl with very little rain and once a week watering. If you have clay soil, you're lucky to have it these days. I will put down another ton of turface MVP after this drought is over. It seems to make plants and palms more drought resistant.

Throwing in this London Dactylifera as being the furthest north / furthest from the equator Dactylifera in the world at 51.4N latitude. It has been in situ there in Wimbledon for at least 6-7 years now and was planted as a tiny seedling. I doubt it has ever been protected there and it is actively growing quite considerably. Looks like it was planted as a small little palm in 2018 or 2019... It grew considerably within a year or so by 2020... Most recent shot about 10 months ago... Not surprised to see a dacty surviving and growing in London given all the CIDP's and also given that one or two have been posted in Paris at 48.5N latitude. However this is basically 3 degrees of latitude further north than any in Paris. I wouldn't be surprised if there are even further north ones in parts of London or the east coast of England where it is quite dry.

B purpurescens Richard? I actually got 2 of my own to sprout after a couple of years sowing. Grateful to have them - thinking one for me and one for the botanic gardens once I grow them up.

Well, the sellers response about my weird Ensete is it's still growing and pushing leaves, and I'm like, yeah, so was the last one until it just died. So i was shocked to see these at the local "cash saver" grocery store/Ace Hardware. Hopefully I end up keeping both alive, because the plan has always been chop and prop.

Update almost a year later! They recovered beautifully. Hoping for another recovery after the freeze expected this weekend. Good luck to all bracing for the storm!! 🌴❤️

Excited to finally see a flower on one of my P. torallyi. This one is 18 years old from germination.

Lovely! I happened to pass this six-in-a-row sidewalk planting in SF's Mission District last night.

As do Beccariophoenix fenestralis. Yet another perfect example.

Areca vestiaria “Orange” do so well in SE Queensland.

Cyphophoenix elegans with a straighter leaf, as opposed to the more curved form. Interestingly, the former seems to grow a lot faster than the latter. Some suggest it could be a hybrid.

Caterpillar with parasitoid wasp eggs.

Looks like Ryan confirmed its viability in South Florida in an earlier thread!