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Went there today to get another round of 14 bags of mulch (need about 70 bags total for the front yard as I go section by section with the spring mulching on days off). …… didn’t see the Old Timer. Someone made off with him.

I have a 10' mexican fan palm that I want to transplant...but not if it's going to kill it. I dont hate where it's at, but it's in the back corner of our property. I want to put it right in front by the porch if possible. So my question is would it transplant well? Has anyone ever done it or read about it? I know the nurseries transplant them. Is it too much work without a skidsteer? Any tips would be appreciated! I hope y'all like the drawing I made....

I feel the same way. Mother Nature has given me quite the nudge this year to do just that. Lowes, Home Depot, our Water Utility and the local Garden Centers will not be happy.🤑

The climate has always been changing and always will be changing. It would be really unusual if it stayed the same. Humans will continue to adapt as they always have. It appears humans typically fare better when the earth is warmer but there will always be plenty of natural disasters regardless of the direction the earth's temperature. I just try not to get to worked up over it because it's out of my control and we all represent a tiny sliver of the earth's history. There are many different cycles and variations constantly at play like the earth's tilt, wobble, solar output, volcanic activity, etc. Heck, the Hunga Tonga-Hunga volcano eruption a few years ago sent a massive amount of water vapor into the atmosphere which likely had a material effect on the earth's temperature. If you've never heard of "The Year Without a Summer" I highly recommend looking it up and reading the book about it...fascinating stuff.

Indeed a (possibly) once in a lifetime buy here on the West Coast! Thank you again for helping me snag THREE of them! One sadly didn’t make it, but the other two are doing great. 🎉

In 2015 while I was working in california I bought some patrick schaffer hybrids. I was inspired by the gardens of the fathers of butia hybrids DIck Douglas(NorCal) and Merrill Wilcox(FL). I wanted some jubaea genetics in my yard but best knowledge said pure jube would not be happy here. My favorite patrick hybrid, the one that I did not give away, was a (Bx J)xJ. I had a coupole BxJ from patrick and this one just looked different, even as a small seedling in a 4" pot. It is a BxJ mother tree pollinated by a jubaea. I had it in a small 7g container for years and then upgraded it to a 20 gallon in 2020. I feared it would not deal with florida humidity and wet soil so I kept it in that 20 gal pot and infrequently watered it. I tried to give it away, no takers from the coconut and adonidia crowd in my neighborhood. I even offered it here on palmtalk, surely a nice cold tolerant hybrid would work somewhere up in northern florida or there abouts, no takers. It grew slowly over the years and a year and a half(?) ago I decided I didn't want a palm prisoner in a container so I decided to put it in the ground in a dry spot where I had removed an invasive ficus benjamina I had mistakenly planted. Well, it seems as if the palm just loved this winter and pushed out a bunch of new growth. It grows faster in winter. I also have a BxJ with 3-4' trunk that is a nice palm but this one has a symmetric beauty that I love. Now I am very happy I didnt give it away. Its not a fussy palm, I planted it in a spot where it will intercept cold NE winds off the nearby pond Anybody else have a butia, Jubaea, or syagrus hybrid out there, I know Patrick made a bunch of different hybrids, show yours if you have one.

I steer clear of the politics of climate. This is my "safe place".

I say this all the time. Most of the rain totals for the year come from just a small number of very heavy rain days and tropical events. Other than that it’s hot, sunny and dry. Half of the “rainy seasons” are very dry with little rain during that season. When you look at Florida (and Cuban/Carribean) Palms, most of them have evolved to be very drought tolerant due to these natural climate characteristics. Some are even naturally fire-tolerant. Without multiple tropical storms and hurricanes during the year, the drought conditions overall dominate, and push us into drought, and trigger wildfires.. Last year, there was none. These are often huge systems effecting most of the state, and dousing us with a week of heavy precipitation, with only small areas being subject to the storm force winds. I don’t understand the debate about global warming sometimes. It’s pretty obvious, as we don’t see woolly mammoths, wooly rhinoceros, and saber tooth tigers and dire wolves, running around North America these days. Huge glaciers have carved mountains and lakes in the US, and receded. Climate change defines the planet over millions of years. I find it amusing though, that every drought, every flood, every hot day, every cold day, every blizzard, every tropical storm and lack of tropical storm, on a momentary scale, is used as evidence of a political crisis by the National News and the Weather Channel.

Sad trombone noises.

Respect for keeping it real. Ngl I've used AI for research but every day I hate it a little more.

I love to take trips back in time and tour the various geological and climatological epochs. It really puts today's everyday events in the perspective they deserve. Yes, I have read about the "Year Without a Summer". Now THAT was a tragedy for the human race. The climate events you have encapsulated above happened even before the Industrial Revolution and the widespread exploitation of fossil fuel. The thing is, I wonder about the coal, oil and gas deposits that formed over a 300 million year period. What percentage of that sequestered carbon dioxide has been released into the atmosphere in just 150 years? Our gardens are not even an afterthought of an afterthought. Whatever we are experiencing though, I hate it.

It’s a wonderful joy planting a couple of palms. And even better in remembrance of one the greatest palm germinaters that I have know. So a couple of Mercs palms went into the garden today, a ravenea hillbrandtii and a hypohorbe indica red form along the driveway in a prime viewing spot for that extra bit of remembrance!

I was going to use chatgpt but this was easier lol

I'd love to have a smaller one. I remember Ricky Bobby's did pretty well in his palm room.

I was gonna bust out the "graphic design is my passion" meme but ngl that's actually not bad lol.

If I had to do it over again, I would only plant Native, Cuban, Caribbean, and maybe Round Island palms in the front yard. Stuff that can take drought conditions, and crazy heavy open sun. The amount of water and fertilizer I have to dump is nuts. The aforementioned would be thrilled with more basic care, and with the right choices, the yard would still look exotic. Water, in our pure sand soil is very limiting here in SE FL. The amount of soil amending, watering, and fertilizing can get tiring in open yards. Especially, if you don’t have some giant hardwood tree cover nearby to shield you from part of the days sun blast. These past couple of years have been brutal.

I'll have to ask 3 Year Letterman on Twitter. I really hope someone knows who I'm talking about and laughs at this and thinks about financed waterbed jokes.

They generally transplant very well, even with a small root ball. Spring would be a good time for the move or now if temps are reliably mild. The palm will be quite heavy so be ready for that. You’ll need to water it daily for a few months while it replaces lost roots.

To all the people in life who said I'd never amount to 💩, well, it turns out you were right. But I do have a state nursery sellers license now.

An interesting challenging plant you have chosen to grow indoors. Never tried them indoors, but they grow very easily outdoors.

He would do mail orders as well, you would have loved some the stuff he had in rare varieties of palms!

Is that the one you downloaded from the Internet? 😆 Just kidding. Congratulations! Do you have to renew it every 4 months??

Spring's here! ☀️ Clear blue skies and temps around 20°C the last couple of days. Even measured 21°C today. The weekend will cool down a little bit with some rain but it looks like after that we're back to where we are now. Already did so much stuff in the garden. 🥰 High of 20.9°C Low of 10.2°C.

1. Hyophorbe indica 1.5 gallon size 2. Burretiokentias koghiensis 15 gallon 3. Caryota gigas 5 gallon 4. Butia eriospatha band size 5. Brahea clara 5 gallon 6. Brahea edulis 15 gallon 7. Brahea elegans 5 gallon 8. Coccothrinax barbadensis 15 gallon 9. Coccothrinax crinita 5 gallon 10. Cryosophila stauracantha 15 gallon 11. Dypsis baronii 5 gallon 12. Dypsis heteromorpha 5 gallon 13. Dypsis pembana 5 gallon 14. Kentiopsis olliviformis 15 gallon 15. Prestoea acuminata (montana) 5 gallon 16. Rhopalostylis baueri 15 gallon 17. Roystonea oleracea 15 gallon 18. Syagrus coronata band size. This is a small sampler of the over 200,000 palms & cycads we have at our Nursery. I think we offer the largest species selection of any Palm or Cycad Nursery in the western U.S. Visitors welcome. We give individual attention. In business in Encinitas, CA for over 40 years. Mail orders done almost daily. Delivery available on most items. And, by the way, creator and early developer (along with assistance from other IPS members) of this PalmTalk Blog multiple decades ago. Phil Bergman Owner Jungle Music Nursery 1111 Urannia Ave, Encinitas, CA 92024 Phone: 619 291 4605 Email: phil@junglemusic.net Website: www.junglemusic.net

Is that a dypsis decaryi? I was considering that but my wife isn’t a fan. Out of all the palms she likes the canary date the best. Its a beautiful palm that thrives in my area, but those puppies are expensive mature. Several thousands of dollars. I think I am going to buy some kentias, kings, maybe a flame thrower for this area. Its in the corner of a south facing wall. It retains moisture so well it grows moss. Its also under the canopy of an olive and birch tree. You can see the difference of how the shade helps vs. this red Abyssinian banana tree i purchased two weeks ago. Its been sitting in full sun and getting burnt. I am confident I can grow things but need to be strategic about placement. You mentioned filmore, im right off newhall ranch which converts into the 126. Filmore is like 15-20 minutes away. Where do you get your palms Harry? Is there any place you would recommend?

I have one that is just about at planting size. it seems to enjoy the climate here.

I have decided to give up on the lawn. It's too expensive, and it's galling to have to water even in the so-called rainy season. It will be expensive enough to establish the new garden as a result of the freez,e but once that is accomplished I will have a relatively hands-off xeriscape. I just have zero confidence that this year is a one-off and it will mean peace of mind. Not what I had in mind but my new mantra is "whaddya gonna do"? Over the past 10 years we have spent over $30,000 putting in, and maintaining our tropical landscape. It was gone in a matter of hours. Going forward, it will be an uphill battle even without an extreme freeze, further extreme drought or a direct or near-miss hurricane. I will opt for a decent compromise and never worry about another drought or freeze again...but about those hurricanes!

Sabine and I are very happy for you, congratulations, John.

I tried a butia a few years ago and covered it on cold nights. It died but my pot grown palmetto survives to this day. I wish butia were equally as cold hardy as sabal palmetto but it hasn't been my experience. I've killed two butias and pretty much have given up on them. I may try one again. 🤔

I think your low temps MAY be OK. I am not sure. If you're going to do the experiment, then I would do it as best as you can. Buy a healthy, 6-foot royal, and put it in the ground immediately, and keep it well-watered. Hopefully, the next winter will be a mild one. You want as much growth as possible, before this palm is challenged by worst-case SCV cold events and thrashing dry wind events. If you're OK with it, post some pictures of the exact possible planting site. I think various SoCal PalmTalkers much wiser than me will contribute thoughts about making this experiment as strong as possible.

Ps Tim if ever I sell my garden I will let you know, the house is for free! My garden needs a good custodian with a love of palms such as yourself!

Beautiful, they say they are not gone if you remember them, like I said he could germinate a rock!

Great thread Richard. Here’s my contribution of Merc germinated palms I’ve planted. Pritchardia napaliensis Pritchardia martii

Sabal horizontali 🤣

That seems to be a good deal . From what I’ve read , they are slow growing palms . That one has some age to it . Harry Edit: our Lowe’s , here , is pathetic for palm selection . You folks in Florida have a great selection. If you find a spot for it , I would grab it.