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Save yourself lots of time and hassle and buy a new one when you move. You can buy one that size for 50-75$ if you look around on Facebook marketplace. Be very weary of where you move in Port Charlotte though if you are not near the Peace river of Charlotte Harbor it will get just as cold as Central Florida in a cold snap. Saw multiple mid to upper 20 degree days in the area over the last few years.

I planted out this weddelliana yesterday. The soil in this part of the garden is heavier than the rest (takes about five minutes to drain 2" of water). The area gets consistent summer "rainfall" from fog dripping from the neighbor's Magnolia grandiflora overhead. It also gets almost no sun any time of year and as a result is continuously moist. I know this species is prone to root rot, so I cut off irrigation to the plant. It will be our only palm that isn't irrigated. What does everyone think of this strategy?

I got my weddelliana from JM today. I got permission from the boss to splurge on a 15g since they are so slow 😁 Here it is in its approximate eventual location next spring. I have another tiny one from Jeff Marcus which I’ll plant alongside it…hopefully neither one croaks.

I picked up a large Hoenei and a smaller 3g Wedellianum at the MB Palms open house in Orlando yesterday. How much sun are you giving these guys? Given inland central Florida sun may be a different beast.

Unlabeled large and spiny Aiphanes horrida:

You’ll see them around in Southern California, though they’re a lot less prevalent than most other fan palms. i used to think that they were slow and that’s not entirely true - though slow is a relative term. They’re definitely sturdy, in Sam Diego, and worth the wait (in my opinion). Shoot me a DM if you’re having trouble finding any. Here’s a link to a thread which documents a lot of my experiences: Not the best picture, but here’s a S. Uresana and a S. Mexicana type, from the other day. I’d estimate that they are around 10years old, from a 5 gallon. They’ve been on their own, without any care, and are self sufficient where I’m at 10a (maybe even 10b). 92104 zip code. There’s also a S. Bermudana (maybe) and a S. Causarium further to the right, which can’t be seen. Those are also living on their own, with no help. These are growing with a lot of other palms in the 3500-3600 block of Wightman St, and there’s a Livistona Chinensis, Arenga Engleri, and a big Sabal Mauritiiformis two houses south, on Wilson Ave, if you were in the area.

Red Latania opening a new frond

If California just isnt warm enough in winter for Coconut growing, have you ever seen Cocos Nucifera in Northern Baja or Northern Sonora like Tijuana, Ensenada, San Felipe Rosarito, Hermosillo, Guaymas, Santa Rosalia, San Ignacio, Guerrero Negro, Ciudad Obregon, Mulege etc. I know cocos exists in southern baja like Los Cabos and accross the sea in Mazatlan

Need some help identifying palms of my late grandpa, my most important one to identify currently I’m afraid may be sick? I recall him saying it was a Russian palm of some kind, that he’d never seen another and could be the only one in America to his knowledge. He has many palms around the property, a few have died over the years and I’d like to replace (jelly palm died while he was still alive from a severe freeze. Since he’s died I’ve lost I think a fishtail? From a rodent chewing off every leaf tot make a nest in the greenhouse) the Russian plan I would like identified and to know if I need to do anything to help it out. Struggling to add photos , I know he said it was Russian, it had abudany fluffy fiver produced in the nooks around the trunk where fronds grow out, fan type leaves. Currently lots of brown dots and yellowing ends of leaves, as well as dead fronds. I know the main plant died a few years ago and the current trees are shoots sent up from her roots. I’m scared to seperate them since I’m not sure how fragile they are to root disturbances

Just a few pictures of each, they were looking happy with the recent rainfall. The first two photos are of S. hoehnei which has a more upright leaf habit, and the S. weddelliana showing a weeping look. They both get a fair bit of sun. Tim

I will sidestep the palm question and opine on the house. A paid-off mortgage is more valuable than a palm garden.

I think that truly native sabal minor to Tennessee is unlikely. These, in my opinion are most likely spread via birds either from neighboring Alabama or from planting in nearby houses, though a truly native population isn’t out of the question. I just think this is too far north. Same goes for the possible Virginia population, colonial records show they existed up the Chesapeake at one point but have been wiped out either from cold or habitat loss. To me a population in VA seems more likely than Tennessee

...I'll let those more versed in telling them apart debate the " Which one is which " but, A couple nice Attalea ..guacuyule??.. near the Venetian in P.V. One next to the entrance.. ** Street view imagery captured May of last year ** Couple others along a nearby trail on the south side of the river, literally a handful of steps east of the road in front of the Venetian down there.. Not a bad stand - in, for a non - coconut. If that sp., don't recall much discussion about it here compared to the other sps.. Some Macaws ( Acrocomia aculeata ) further up the same trail.. ( Same side of the River, btw. ) Images from the trail may be dated < ..2014.. > but all palms are still where spotted today. Some iNat observations of the same Macaws as well.

I can see how this Cycas Siamensis “Silver form” got its name. I wish the leaves would stay silver like this but they usually start turning green in a few days after this stage.

My uneducated guess would be that it suffered a bit from this past harsh winter, and that since it comes from such a dry climate it might be vulnerable to fungal attacks in the southern US. From your photos though the damage looks rather cosmetic, and I would not be too concerned. It probably isn't worth trying to spray the leaves with anything as I doubt there is an active pathogen attacking them at this point. As long as the newer leaves are unblemished the palm will replace the damaged older leaves over the course of the hot growing season. A small dose of a good palm fertilizer wouldn't hurt. I would not cut any of the damaged leaves off, only the completely dead brown leaves if you want. The damaged leaves are still contributing to photosynthesis and cutting away the cosmetic damage would do more harm than good. Overall though it seems like it's a survivor and I would bet it will be just fine without any intervention.

It comes down to money. How much does the nursery invest, how much demand is there, how quick is the turnaround. If the market in California supported Sabals, they would be mass-grown by Monrovia and sold by all the big box retail stores.

Here is a preliminary cold damage to my personal palm collection. I live in Altamonte Springs, about 14 miles north of Orlando. Its a little colder than the metro Orlando area. My yard does have some good tree canopy in the back but this didn't make much difference with the winds. The first night of the freeze was 23F with 20-30mph winds all night and it was below 32F for over 10 hours. The 2nd night dropped to 28F but it was still with frost. This was the coldest freeze since the record Christmas 1989 freeze. It was also the first hard freeze with high winds the entire night. PALMS Acoelorrhaphe wrightii (4’)- no damage Aiphanes horrida x minima (6’) -100% burn, already had about 25% burn from earlier cold, it always showed damage below about 35F every year but always quickly recovered, not sure this time Archontophoenix cunninghamiana (20’) -major burn Archontophoenix purpurea (7’)- 100% burn Areca triandra (3’) -100% burn Arenga engleri (7’)- surprisingly burn on one leaf Arenga hookeriana (5’)- all tall stems 100% burned, shorter suckers green Beccariophoenix alfredii (15’, 10’)- both have severe burn but green in center Borassodendron machodonis (3’)- COVERED, no damage Brassiophoenix drymophoeoides (5’)- 100% burn Carpentaria acuminata x Adonidia merrillii (25’)- 100% burn Caryota mitis ‘Variegata’ (3’)- severe burn Chamaedorea elegans (2’)-100% burn Chamaedorea ernestii-augustii (3’)- 100% burn Chamaedorea metallica (2’)- 100% burn Chamaedorea microspadix (6’)- no damage Chambeyronia macrocarpa (3’)- all leaves burned except newest Chelyocarpus chuco (4’)- COVERED no damage Chrysalidocarpus leptocheilos (3’)- 100% burn Chrysalidocarpus lutescens ‘Nana’ (3’)- COVERED but partially blew off, 50% burn Chrysalidocarpus madagascariensis (Mahajanga form) (6’)- 100% burn Chrysalidocarous onilahensis (3’)- light burn Chrysalidocarpus pembanus (15’)- 100% burn on the 2 tall trunks, suckers have some green leaves Chrysalidocarpus psammophilus (3’)- 100% burn Chuniophoenix hainanensis (3’)- no damage Clinostigma savoryanum (4’)- 2 newest leaves have no damage, others burned Coccothrinax barbadensis (3’)- light burn Coccothrinax crinita (3’) – severe burn Coccothrinax spissa (3’)- severe burn Cocos nucifera ‘Green Malayan’ (10’, 3’ trunk)- almost 100% burn but a few green leaflets and petioles still green, already push new growth, it already had about 20% burn from frost a couple weeks prior Copernicia alba (6’)- no damage Cryosophila stauracantha (4’)- 100% burn Cyrtostachys elegans x renda (3’)- COVERED no damage Dictyosperma album (furfuraceum) (3’)- 100% burn Euterpe edulis (10’, 5’)- both have 100% burn Gaussia attenuata (7’)- 100% burn, new spear opening Gaussia maya (5’)- 100% burn Heterospathe negrosensis (4’)- light burn Howea belmoreana (3’)- severe burn Howea forsteriana (7’)- severe burn Hyophorbe verschaffeltii (6’)- 100% burn Lanonia dasyantha (2’, 3’)- no damage on either Leucothrinax morrissii (5’)- no damage Licuala kunstleri (2’)- light damage Licuala peltata (3’)- light burn Licuala ramsayi (6’)- slight damage on 1 leaf, very delayed reaction Livistona decora (10’)- no damage Livistona muelleri (4’)- moderate burn Livistona saribus (15’)- no damage Normanbya normanbyi (8’)- 100% burn Phoenix acaulis (3’)- no damage Phoenix loureiroi (Kashmir) (8’)- no damage Pinanga coronata (4’)- 100% burn Pinanga gracilis (3’)- 2 stems, 1 no damage, other 100% burn Pritchardia hillebrandii (3’)- moderate burn, still lots of green Pseudophoenix sargentii (4’)- severe burn Ptychococcus lepidotus (5’)- 100% burn Ptychococcus paradoxus (6’)- 100% burn Ptychosperma elegans (10’)- 100% burn Ptychosperma propinquum (macarthurii) (12’)- main stem 100% burn, suckers mostly brown but some green Ravenea glauca (3’)- light burn Ravenea hildebrandtii (5’)- 100% burn Ravenea rivularis (6’)- 100% burn Reinhardtia latisecta (2’)- no damage Rhapis excelsa ‘Zuiko Nishiki’ (5’)- no damage Rhapis humilis (8’)- no damage Sabal etonia x palmetto (2’)- no damage Sabal mauritiiformis (5’)- very minor burn Sabal miamiensis x maritima (6’)- no damage Sabal palmetto (10’)- no damage Sabal palmetto (Miami Rockridge form) (2’)- no damage Sabinaria magnifica (3’)- COVERED, cover partially blew off, light burn on a couple leaves, very delayed damage Schippia concolor (3’)- moderate burn Serenoa repens, silver (3’)- no damage Syagrus romanzoffiana (20’)- light burn Syagrus sancona (7’)- severe burn Syagrus weddelliana (6’)- severe burn Veitchia arecina (3’)- moderate burn Wodhyethia bifurcata (4’)- 100% burn CYCADS Bowenia spectabilis- no damage Ceratozamia hildae- no damage Cycas debaoenis- no damage Cycas thouarsii- 100% burn Encephalartos ferox- 100% burn Stangeria eriopus- light burn Zamia furfuracea – no damage, in pot and taken in Zamia integrifolia (narrow leaflet form)- no damage Zamia integrifolia (Palatka Giant)- no damage Zamia integrifolia (wide leaflet form)- no damage Zamia nesmophila- moderate burn Zamia sp. “Spots”- severe burn PANDANS Freycinetia cumingiana (4’)- main stems dead, some green shorter stems/leaves Pandanus furcatus (15’)- 100% burn but green already pushing out Pandanus letocartiorum (decumbens) (2’)- 100% burn Pandanus penangensis (monotheca) (5’)- 100% burn Pandanus polycephalus (3’)- severe burn Pandanus pygmaeus ‘Variegatus’ (2’)- moderate burn Pandanus tectorius (spineless form) (3’)- 100% burn Pandanus tectorius, dwarf spineless variegated form)- 100% burn PALM-LIKE PLANTS Cyclanthus bipartitus (4’)- 100% burn, this is root hardy, foliage dies every year as it declines around 35F but rapidly regrows in spring Dracaena arborea (4’)- severe burn Ravenala madagascariensis (15’)- 100% burn Ravenala menahirana (Honkondambo) (3’)- 100% burn, new leaf emerging Sphaeropteris cooperi (Cyathea) (10’)- 100% burn Strelitzia nicolai (10’)- 100% burn

We have a young one, it has a lot of burn but growing out.

It's Nannorrhops ritchiana, Mazari palm. Not native to Russia, but further south in Asia and the middle east, including Pakistan and Afghanistan. I know some cold hardy palm enthusiasts in the US grow them but they are certainly not common in cultivation. The only place where palms are grown in Russia is along the black sea coast, primarily in Sochi. They plant a lot of Trachycarpus there and probably some others. None are native to the region.

Thanks! I have a friend in New Jersey who built a greenhouse on a flat roof of her house that she can walk out into from a door in her bedroom. She has been growing orchids for 40+ years and has an extensive collection, and always has at least 10-15 things blooming simultaneously of all different genera. Its kindof a desire of mine to have that....but there are some genera I don;t grow (the Calathea alliance comes to mind) so mine are mostly Vandaceous, Bulbophyllums and some Oncidium alliancne, as well as Phals which I mostly rescued from the Lowes 1/2 price markdown when they stopped blooming and mounted around the place

Got pictures to load finally! you can see the old stump in the middle, lots of suckers about her here’s how the trunk looks with the fluffy white fibers the speckling I’m worried indicates something is wrong?

Look, my great lord and friends. Look at the little Juania Australis. They are like your beautiful palm trees too. But just look at them. You know that every palm tree gladdens the heart of us all. This one, of course, gladdens my heart. The more I search, the louder I will applaud it, the more shouts of joy I will raise, and the more trust I will place in it. This other unique kingdom has been added to my collection.

Leptotes pohlitinocoi with its first flower in my garden. It isn't putting on the same display that my Leptotes bicolor are but it is a younger plant. Maxillaria tenufolia is sharing it's fragrant blooms again too.

Sedirea (Aerides) japonica in bloom.

It is such a pleasure to have something much color popping all at once. I enjoy walking around my garden with my granddaughter and showing her the orchids that are both in bloom and yhe ones with flower spikes getting ready for the next display. She really warmed my heart when she said she wants to grow orchids "when she gets big". We wi)l see what a 3 year old considers "big" in the coming years. You have a lot of variety blooming now to enjoy. Hopefully some are also fragrant to appeal to a different sensory mode.

These guys are all blooming now

One of Royals opening a new frond

I know this is starting off on a bit of a tangent, but the fact that Nevada has native California fan palms is not up for debate. That was settled decades ago, and if we'd simply respected the Native Americans' autonomy to begin with, it would've never been in serious doubt. I digress though. The best way to find out whether Tennessee has native dwarf palmettos, now that I think of it, may be to ask the Cherokees. No one from 1838 is still alive today, but maybe they passed down their traditions through the generations and remember what was there when Andrew Jackson shamelessly drove those that didn't hide in the mountains west? Even if they weren't yet there during the Little Ice Age, that wouldn't be the end; there are also seemingly-wild palms in Hornsby, a more contentious Hardin County population in the ditch along State Route 128 and plenty of other rural locations in the state close to Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia they could be hiding. It's also possible dwarf palmettos may have naturally spread further north in the Coosa Valley since the Cherokees were unfortunately exiled from their original homeland. Still, the Cherokees surely could answer whether there were wild dwarf palmettos in Bradley County Tenn. in 1838, and if they say yes, that should put the dispute to rest and leave only Virginia as a source of contention. Article about Nevada palms for context: https://www.xeri.com/Moapa/wf-hr-foreword.htm P.S.: It's been over two years since I sent my email to MTSU about the Hornsby ones, requesting an expedition. Still no dice. I'm tempted to ask TTU, UT or ETSU, but it feels crueler to ask them to venture all the way to West Tennessee for something so trivial than it did to ask MTSU which is more centrally located, especially after even MTSU seemingly missed or ignored my email for this long.

Yes they’re always in or near water in natural habitat.

The Encephalartos ituriensis flush is progressing nicely and yes it will be big.

I got somewhere between 1/4 '-1/3" on Friday. Saturday was hot and sunny, whereas 90% of Houston was getting rain and T-storms Last night I got what I consider significant rain. It was a steady to intense downpour for at least 2 hours. Definitely more than an inch maybe even 2". The ground soaked it up like a sponge. I only have one spot with a bit of sogginess in the yard, so it needed it. Very grateful for it and now I don't need to water for at least a week.

The garden in Katy picked up nearly an inch this afternoon. I've left it on autopilot for a month now. Hoping to see some good growth when I stop by next week. Just a few sprinkles at the condo on 610/10. Amazing who hits the rain lottery right?

I live in Southern California about 20 miles from the ocean . With our soil , I have never found the need to fertilize Phoenix Roebelini. They do like a lot of water , especially when it is hot out . As @Kim said , it was a very warm , extended heat pattern early this year. That could’ve had something to do with what is going on with yours. I would continue with regular watering and it should grow out of it . Harry

Thanks. the hurricanes of 2004 and winter of 2009-10 helped start me to become unattached to the permanent status of plants in the garden, it is always in flux. I had a lot of risky palms for my area now it just opens up new plantings. But a lot more things have survived than I thought possible after a hard 23F with below freezing for over 10 hours. I will be replanting some tender palms but adding for hardy ones than before. I'm just glad by Cyrtostachys hybrid, Chelyocarpus chuco and Sabinaria survived with little or no burn with minimal coverings. And I am just floored my unintended coconut specimen is strongly pushing out new growth, hard to believe it would survive 23F.

This palm tree is native to Chile. Robinson Crusoe Island (Juán Fernandez). Here in Chile, my friend and I are germinating Juania Australis (Chonta) seeds. I hope to germinate many more, and a new batch. I'm sharing some photos.

I'd be very surprised to see many decent-sized coconuts growing on the Pacific coast of Baja Sur, due to the influences of the cold Pacific, but I have found Cocos on Google Street View in Hermosillo, also in a couple of places fairly far north on the coast of the Gulf of California, and have posted links/photos of these somewhere in a Cocos thread here. Since we know coconuts can be sometimes coaxed into living a somewhat decent life further north in the Coachella Valley, it just makes sense that the probabilities gradually increase for every mile you move south toward Sonora, Sinaloa, Nayarit, Jalisco... That Cocos in Golfo de Santa Clara looks great!

Check out this beautiful, good sized coconut in El Golfo de Santa Clara, a little over an hour's drive from the Arizona border. Definitely makes Yuma/San Luis, Arizona seem like possible Cocos territory. The town is located at the northern end of the Gulf of California near the Colorado River Delta. There were some other smaller coconuts in front of the Hotel San Antonio that seem to have been removed when it was renovated, but this one is still there as of a year or two ago and looks really nice! https://www.google.com/maps/@31.683575,-114.4937887,3a,15y,288.97h,93.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snXEasyqVGz0kX9fBbWhI7w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

I found nice coconuts in Hermosillo using Google Street View, and documented it in another thread...I think Cocos are really a lot stronger than people think, but they can only handle chill for about three months (rather than the six months found in the SoCal coastal areas); and they have to have heat during the growing season to make sure they have a good number of 'solar panels' to keep going. But one thing I have learned is that young Cocos should be protected from the heat of the low desert. I believe the La Quinta coconut, which is now exposed in full sun and looks pretty good, was sheltered under other vegetation (a Plumeria and possibly other plants) while it was getting established. I had young Cocos shrivel up and die in full sun a couple of years ago in Rancho Mirage.

Those are all well below 30° latitude. Alamos climate is warm enough to qualify as tropical Savana winter, and gets almost 700 mm of rain. For all the hot desert Southwest locations, irrigation is a given for Cocos cultivation that otherwise meet the criteria of being Hardy outside and in ground. Unless they could acclimate the finding groundwater in select spots like native washingtonia do.

Yuma AZ has better temperatures than most of northern Mexico other than too hot in the summer (cocos put under high sun canopy) and very low humidity year round, yet they manage to grow so many veggies including cool season annuals there.

Less than 200 miles south of Yuma or San Diego latitude! The climate of Puerto penasco compares very favorably to Puerto libertad. In fact it shows the nights in Winter being slightly warmer in the more Northern City, uper vs mid 40s, both near 70 during the day. Both get far too little rain but have decent average humidity.