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I breed fish, African cichlids. I could produce 1000s of fish a month. The issue is with the selling, getting that going takes work. I gambled on buying a breeding group of fish, not happy with what I got out of them even through the parents look good. I’ve sold over 100 but have that many left. I’m on the verge of giving them to some stores because I don’t want to spend the money feeding them and I need the tank space for more desirable ones that I’m currently growing up. Marketing, Selling and developing relationships is the hard part and moving to Texas I’m back to square one. Don’t want to ship fish. So that is my advice to you @JohnAndSancho Here’s a small sample. Now back to the Palms!

I plant my seeds at the same depth of the seeds ie a 1cm seed is down to a depth of 1cm, 5mm seed is down 5mm. What you see in my photos is just to show the seeds and spacing, I then cover them. Cycas seeds I only half bury horizontally, you can half bury palm seeds, Mother Nature would do the same half bury to completely buried, even some just on the soil surface. I also press firmly on the medium to ensure a good contact with the medium. Richard

while I realize the topic of hardiness between Archontophoenix Cunninghameana and Alexandrae has been discussed for years, our recent extreme cold gave me the ability to take pictures of the two growing side by side in my yard. Official Belle Isle FL (Orlando) low was 25 I live near n a large lake which creates a microclimate that has allowed Cocos Nucifera to live here without dying in the last brutal cold of 2010. I believe we are the only spot in Orlando where Cocos Nucofera survived 2010. My recorded low was 28 degrees but its likely parts of the yard were a little lower. The warmer part of the yard is the back yard near the water. As the pictures show, even side by side, Archontophoenix Cunninghameana are undamaged while Alexandrae are completely defoliated.

The regional botanical gardens in my are has certainly been improving of the last few years, with the curator Rick ackland doing a wonderful job. Full credit to Rick and his staff on this project!

Iam sure some would love to have this problem archontophoenix as one mega weed problem, so @dimitriskedikogloy your welcome to as many as you like, crazy how one man’s trash is another treasure! They are coming up everywhere!

Per periculum et errorem...

Theres even chamaedorea adscendens and metallica seeds popping up!

Firstly @peachy if you remember has a wanted poster on my front gate and her accompanying posy of said palm pilfering gang are on a strict watch and act alert. But a beautiful little palm indeed at such a young age, I wish I had a couple a hundred of them in the greenhouse. And if I remember correctly it’s not on the palm mafia gangs hit list because it suckers, and we all know the peachy gang has strict no suckering palms rule are to be pilfered, so it’s safe for now! Richard

In regards to archontophoenix alexandrae vs Cunninghamiana, I had the same experience. Cunninghamiana looks like it has almost no damage, while alexandrae are 100% fried and brown.

Wouldn't say it survived yet. My 20 yo adonidia merillii and 2 royals slowly declined over weeks after looking like they just got leaf burn and ultimately went to the landfill when we had that bad Christmas weekend freeze a few years ago.

I might be able to help you with the radicalis. I sprouted some seeds last year. We should talk next week. I will have some time away from work.

This potted bamboo was under a large Syagrus R. The seed dropped and sprouted this . It’s been there quite a while , very slow at first. Harry

Absolutely, thank you so much for this.

Hi PR00636! I know you wish you were here in PR on such a beautiful day. Yes, my one and only Welfia is doing fine. I can see the top of it from my potting bench. At least 20 feet tall and planted down a steep slope with the idea that it would one day be eye level near my house. It hides surrounded by tree ferns and some Euterpes until it opens a new leaf which should happen soon. If I am not traveling I’ll take a photo then, but it looks stunningly red like all the others posted here.

Well you’re gunna need a bigger boat! That’s a lot of seeds and a lot of time and space involved in such a project, you’re little science project has taken on a new level from a small laboratory to full on Dr Frankenstein set up (insert Mel brooks movie here) Time to hit up the old happypalms vault and do a bit of research on a few back issue posts. Dont get overwhelmed by so many seeds it’s easy, community pots or box’s, baggie method your decision. That many seeds myself styrofoam box’s with lids (etoliation method) if no bottom heating plastic bags will help you out for a bit of extra heat. Good luck keep us all posted!

I did a dose of hydrogen peroxide on pretty much all the palms yesterday afternoon. Most didn't react at all, but the Cyphophoenix (all of them) foamed up like mad. Those turned black when they burnt, instead of the typical red/brown. I'm sure they are D-E-D. After that I mixed up a total of 2.5 gallons of Daconil and squirted it into the crown of all the palms and almost all the cycads. As expected, the cold damage just keeps looking worse and worse. The 31.3F and heavy snowlike frost this morning didn't help at all. Here's the data logs, frost and local airport temps.

I am in no rush whatsoever. I planted a baby copernicia fallensis as well and in the same time it has only put out 3 fronds. 😛

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your growth will be awesome and quick come spring!

Call me crazy but I’m going to plant some Hesperaloe and Yuccas. Oh so tender.🤣

new baby kings, replant plumerias I dug up 2 weeks ago, maybe some tropical leafy stuff for a bit of green. pretty brown at the moment 😄

Overpriced decorative mulch imho 🤣

Not the greatest pictures, but I got sent these from Pearland. Pretty much everything looks to have survived. Kings:Beccariophoenix alfredii:Bismarckia , Beaucarnea recurvata, and Medemia argun to the left of the Puya:Livistona nitida unfazed:Copernica alba:Mule palm:Phoenix theophrastii and Parajubaea var. torallyi x Butia:Butia and Sabal uresana:Acrocomia green at base. We thought these seeds were totai but may be aculeata. Wrapped in housing insulation and it still burned:

I would love to try some Chamaedorea radicalis . I might have a good spot for it. Right now all my palms are growing in the ground. I do have an Agave Parryi and an Enchinocactus grussoni in a pot that I'm going to plant in the ground .

Oh winter is over. All freeze sensitive stuff is going in the ground this weekend. Gotta get that head start 😆

Thanks Logolight! I will also be getting seeds of one of my favorite Pinanga’s. P. ‘Blue fruit’/seed’ Same price, .35 each or $30/100 plus shipping.

I don't ever remember seeing it? Do you still have this one growing? I'm going to soon do an A.P.B. trying to find some or seed. Mike Dahme in his PR garden had some BEAUTIES that I photographed last year.

The past couple weeks I have been Growing canna Lilies from seed to keep me busy. This one is a natural hybrid I call it Canna Pink "sunset" I am pretty sure it's a natural hybrid between my pink canna lily and my red banana canna. You can see it has pink/reddish orange flowers And it gets really big! If anyone's interested in this I can probably get them seeds this summer/fall. It gets very big very fast it's only about a year old!

I had a 29, 25, then a 23 @ Lithia. I’ve traveled 1000 miles this week in central FL and saw lots of damage of course. I believe most foxtails will recover provided they were of descent health prior. Important note. Florida has insufficient Magnesium so this is an important part of regular fertilization for palms here. When a palm has inadequate supply of Mg it can normally take from the oldest leaves in order to produce healthier spears. Not so much after a hard frost though. All of the removed foliage is taking Mg out of the cycle. Same happened after Milton where fronds were wind removed. Magnesium needs to be applied gradually though or you can cause salt injury.

I’m loving this thread Bodie. I’ve got no plans to plant in the immediate future but have several Sabals that have to go in the ground: miamiensis, mexicana, and minor. The forecast for the next week is downright spring-like but we have another couple of weeks until we can be much more confident that spring is here to stay.

Hyophorbe vaughanii wow! Already a looker at that size.

Here’s a current look at the famous Bottle Palm in Adventureland at Magic Kingdom. Credit to YouTuber ROPE DROP II for these screenshots from livestream today. Current look at a portion of the Jungle Cruise landscaping at Magic Kingdom I think the tree is a pink Tabebuia, leaves look all brown. Brown vegetation in planter near entrance to Adventureland Jacaranda foliage looks damaged in Tomorrowland

Additional photos of telephone pole palms at Epcot. Credit to YouTuber Theme Park Giant Satakentia by Guardians of the Galaxy, row of foxtails farther back (compare to photo of same view earlier in this thread) More denuded foxtails

What was that song by Micheal Palin of Monty python, always look on the bright side of life. Have a listen to that song music works wonders!

Thank you very much, kinzyjr 🤗. You're right, when things get stormy, stay focused and remain positive.

Ok, I see it every day, but wasn’t sure what species it was. I used to live in Middle Tennessee (USA), and my folks were in Gainesville, Florida. I kept lots of potted palm there, underneath a Live Oak tree, in the irrigation zone. So they were neglected, but most of them didn’t die. I started a bunch of seeds from RPS in the mid-late-2000s and took them to Gainesville when they got a little size. Eliminated the need for a greenhouse in TN, since just about everything I was growing had some cold-hardiness. Mom decided to plant this Butia probably a little over 10 years ago, but the tag was lost. So it was just a guess what it was. I thought it could have been the rare Butia capitata, since I had a couple of them from RPS seeds. Or maybe B. catarinensis. It was definitely not any of the dwarf species. Fast forward to 2020, I moved in with them to help them out with the house. Well, I was walking past it a few days ago and something caught my eye…a spathe! A very DARK spathe! I sped up just a little and swatted petioles aside to check closely. Sure enough, it was WOOLY! Not only that, there were 2 of them. Well, that pretty much eliminates all the other species that I thought it could have been. So after searching high and low over the past couple of years for a decent-sized Butia eriospatha, and only finding small ones and seeds, I have a mature one in my front yard! Can’t wait to start crossing it next year. I’m glad it decided to push out its first inflorescences in October, so I wouldn’t be tempted to pollinate them, haha!

I don't really know about how rare one thing or another is. I can tell the ones that are common, and then the ones that are less common. The less common palm species I have in my collection are: --Licuala mattanensis var. paucisecta ('Mapu'). --Chrysalidocarpus mananjarensis (mealy bug). --Chrysalidocarpus prestonianus. --Chrysalidocarpus baronii 'Black Petiole'. --Licuala kunstleri. --Masoala madagascariensis. Probably none of these is too rare, just difficult to find and uncommon. I grew them all from seed.

Probably Lepidorrachis and this little Syagrus ruschiana for mine.

Lemurophoenix halleuxii is probably the rarest palm I have and it’s also the most expensive I’ve ever bought. Purchased from Mark Daish in Babinda, North Queensland. He only had 3 left, 1 was already promised to another, and he wanted the remaining 2 for himself. I kept asking and increasing my price until he caved, or he played me from the start 🤣. Didn’t care either way, just had to have it. I think there’s only around 300 left in Madagascar and one doesn’t come across them often in cultivation (outside of Hawaii that is), although Queensland is blessed with a few. Tahina spectabilis appears slightly less rare with circa 700 individuals in habitat, but far more than that it seems in cultivation. Mine was a gift from Michael Green, which I’ll forever be grateful for.

Trithrinax schizophylla is doing well. When I got it as a seedling, over 20 years ago, it was quite rare in So. Calif..

There are many rare tropical palm trees, but the Juania Australis is very rare. The island's park ranger gave them to me.

Juana Australis of Robinson Crusoe

I would say my hemithrinax ekmaniana copernicia curtissii and copernicia rigida....

Matty keep us posted if you transplant it on how it performs. It appears you will have to move plenty of other palms, too. As I read about more Californians facing similar situations I can't help wondering when it will stop. I recently read that a state agency is due to release new fire risk maps which are modeled differently from those used by insurers. These maps which are periodically updated are more for planning resources for fighting fires. Much like Kim in Point Loma, housing density is pretty high here and only getting more dense due to zoning updates to increase housing availability. If fire gets loose here, homes will burn hotter and be the primary source for fire spread. Removing plantings would do little when fires spread from house to house like in Altadena. I just hope the insurance company gives you a reasonable setback and doesn't continually up the ante. Only time will tell.

Jubaea x syagrus absolute beast

a 9B palm is a palm that will withstand 25F and survive, the "without damage thing" is another matter as survival is more important. Choices may be 10x fewer for 25F without damage as this would exclude lots of palms that would survive 25F with damage and recover. 25F without damage is probably include washingtonias, some livistonas, phoenix species(not rupicolas and roebelinii), some, but not all sabals and copernicia alba(but not the cuban copernicias) and not bismarckia which will often burn significantly at 25F depending in duration. Duration of cold matters here and that is why the short cold of the mediterranean 9B climates are less damaging than say a longer cold in an advective cold event in florida 9B.

My favorite one palm 9B is Acrocomia aculeata.

Killer plant dude I got a few of these guys . Might be to close to the wall but will be perfect once it gets above the wall! Prestoniana are steady growers . More should be grown here’s my biggest it’s about 6 foot tall now and getting chunky

Rick - mine seems to be in sync with yours on the red leaf. I imagine these are both from the same seed batch as this one also came from Floribunda as a 1 gallon a few years ago. Like Kim mentioned, not fast at all and mine struggled for the first year or so as well. Happy now in a 15 gallon pot and I’m slowly introducing it to more light. The plan is to plant it in Pepe’ekeo. Hoping it can take the conditions out there.

I believe you! As one member said it may be the holy grail of the cold hardys. And maybe the most beautiful/tropical based on the pics ive seen of some larger ones. I will be very happy when i finally find some. I may have a line on a batch coming up, making a call this morning. Fingers crossed!