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A couple days ago we took photos of some of our palms catching up on some last minute growing while the early fall weather is still warm. We started in the back yard facing south and overlooking the Isabelle Canal. We've been blessed by a lack of hurricanes and tropical storms compared the the past few years so what wasn't killed by the likes of Ian has had a chance to recover. Allagoptera caudescens Dictyosperma album Livistona jenkinsiana Livistona drudei Kerridoxa elegans Satakentia liukiuensis Chrysaladocarpus leptocheilos Philodendron Pink Princess Chamaedorea sp Moving west toward our Garden Lot View looking east toward Back Yard Jungle Cocos nucifera Dwarf Red Spicata Twins Sabal causiarium by @sonoranfans after Ian Sabal palmetto variegata Sabal grethereae Chrysaladocarpus decaryi Leucothrinax morrisii Sabal minor Chipola Dwarf Livistona muellerii Coccothrinax sp Borassus flabellifer Syagrus kellyana Pritchardia sp Livistona saribus Pritchardia vuylslekeana

I spotted these Parajubeas near our hotel in The Presidio. Beautiful!! Mine in Dana Point is struggling. Enjoy IMG_8662.mov

More palms and plants from Garden Lot Livistona mariae Bismarackia nobilis, smaller of two surviving Bizzie's West End of Garden Lot looking South Livistona decora Livistona sp Areca catechu Dwarf; left is Pritchardia sp; right is Dictyosperma Albus Coccothrinax sp by Garden Shed Blue green Agave Sabal palmetto 'Lisa' #1 Sabal palmetto 'Lisa' #2 Sabal palmetto 'Mocksville' Hemithrinax ekmaniana Sabal minor x2: Left is typical S. minor; right was sold as seeds of what Seller in Savannah, GA, called 'Savanna Dwarf'. Is there such a thing? I don't know but it is certainly different. Seller disappeared into cyberspace about 15 years ago. Coccothrinax proctorii Dutchman's Pipe Coccothrinax sp - very large Chrysaladocarpus lutescens 'Fused Leaf' Plumeria w/ pink flowers

There is a an undocumented population of Braheas located just 40 miles south of Douglas, Arizona near the town of Esqueda, Sonora. These palms seem to be a variation of the Brahea Calcarea but with a taller trunk and fuller crown. I would also like to mention that these specimens of Brahea are very likely to be more hardy than Brahea Armata considering they are growing in elevations of 4000 or more where winters are extremely more cold than that of the Brahea Armata range. They palms are located in a ranch named Rancho Los Baños - Tierra Chamahua EcoAdventures which appears to have recently closed and has virtually no public access. There are dozens of pictures of the palms in the TripAdvisor page of the ranch online. I thought yall would enjoy knowing of these groves as they might have the potential of being the MOST hardy Brahea of all the genus. Getting seeds from these plants would be amazing but the location is very remote and a known area of high cartel activity.

Desiccation due to under watering most likely. Watering only once in a two week period isn’t enough for a potted Windmill palm.

We have a part time gardener come in 1x per week to help us keep up for $X per hour plus plants for his plant-loving wife I've discovered Pritchardias grow great here in SWFL. So do Livistonas but are tricky and prone to fall in cat 3+ hurricanes. Palm lovers should focus on tropical palmate palms and back off the crown shafted pinnate palms - yeah, I know that will never happen.

Welcome to PalmTalk! With Lethal Bronzing so prevalent, my own personal choice would have been to go with something outside of the Phoenix genus. That said, Phoenix sylvestris typically transplant well if you keep the root ball roughly level with the ground level and keep a water ring around them until they establish. If you're up for it, St. Johns Botanical Garden is having an event on November 1st. It's not next door, but not far away and you'll get so see a lot of different palms, cycads, and accent plants: https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/91604-central-florida-palm-cycad-society-sjbgnp-2nd-anniversary-celebration/

Thanks. S. causiarum is the rocket of the Sabals. I hope the former denizens of Sabal Row are doing well for Corey

Ok it's been A DAY. I'll share Story Time in the Palms in Pots subforum, but for now here's a few pics from the yard. The Butia on the far side looks like it's gonna be a beast. Speaking of beasts, check out this grass. No, really, it's my hybrid still slowly pushing an entire new crown. I wish I knew how to speed it up, it's like it's constipated. While we're on the subject of beasts, look at these FAT fronds on this Sabal Maritima. It's a damn shame they'll have to come inside in the next few weeks. CIDP is growing and recovering from literally being mailed to me bare rooted with only a Ziploc baggie around the roots in the daintiest box I've ever seen and being held in Memphis for 5 days. I got nothing against this plant, I'm just not feeling it. I dunno that it fits my whole vibe. $5 butterfly bush is looking great. Aside from being much smaller, it looks way better than the other 3 in the yard. The other 3 are all unkempt beasts that just... Eh. The one washy has gotten too big for the cats to tear up. The other 2 are resilient though. They get knocked down, but they get up again. You're never gonna keep them down.

Humboldt, CA is an amazing mix of climates! Zones 7b all the way to zone 10b within the county depending on elevation and proximity to the coast. Either way, Trachycarpus should thrive. Any reason your brother doesn’t put the palm in the ground?

Agree , it needs more water than just once in that amount of time , it is nowhere near enough. Even this time of year my palms get watered at least twice a week . Potted palms are checked , if the potting soil is dry more than an inch or so below the surface , they get a good watering. Trachycarpus F. are really easy palms to grow , even in pots . I gave my brother in law one and he kept it in a pot in Humboldt , California ( cold climate ) and it thrived for years . I think my sister still has it . In potted palms I am a bit more vigilant about watering and drainage . Water should flow out the bottom hole(s) of the pot when you water it . Small stones in the bottom of the pot before adding soil is a plus. Hopefully that palm will come back . Harry

I had to buy these. There's 6 in the pot. I know @N8ALLRIGHT said he has an overabundance of them and God knows I've got the acreage to put them, but the first thing that went through my mind was wow, there's 6 and I can split them up into 1 gallon pots and flip them, and the broken stems I'm trying to water root right now too. So I'm trying to juggle my health, my family's health, I guess I'm serious about this nursery, and it's a lot. The lumber, I'm building a new grow bench. There's threads on here. Anyway yeah.

Oh man I had no idea, I hope you're recovering and doing well. I dunno if you've seen my YouTube channel but I've def been busy. I guess now that I think about it I'm low-key hoping maybe 3 or 4 of those chambeyronia seeds fall before you get a chance to mail it off 😂 but health is key. And yeah maybe I'll grow to appreciate it. I just think it was an impulse buy but it's def safe from the weevils here so worst case scenario I'm preserving it.

As @Fusca mentioned: https://wfoplantlist.org/taxon/wfo-0000390522-2025-06

These palms are so susceptible to root/crown rot and dying at random. Make sure the spear hasn’t pulled yet. If it has, i would honestly trunk cut. Seems to be the best method in my experience with saving them. If it’s a root issue, I would repot and cut off any dead roots. And water sparingly. But typically when this happens the spear will pull and it seems to be more of an internal issue than a root issue. Just my experience though. These palms can be a pain. I’ll see one that’s doing really well in my city and then the week later it’s dead after being in the ground for a decade.

Thank you so much for sharing your garden with us. Amazing , especially after a recent hurricane. I remember that and the devastation it caused. Great collection and very nice photos . Harry

Grab some of those Jubaeopsis caffra seeds if you can for me, please pretty please….

Looking good Meg! 👍 That's a Sabal you don't hear much about. Definitely looks different from my similar sized mexicana. Looks like it is seeding, is it the first time?

Hello everyone, finally took the plunge and purchased two new palms and I am scared to do it wrong. The trees did not come with installation and there is so much on the internet about planting. Any input would be greatly appreciated. 10’ palms / Daytona Fl. area

Appreciate the last line. I'll always refer to myself as a neophyte because as soon as you think you know something, you find out you were at least partially wrong. The original poster is in the Daytona area. LOL at the promise to never come visit. Agree 100% that these palms can cause serious injury. I trim all of mine with long sleeves, leather gloves, and glasses. I still end up getting poked and digging out the broken off spines after I'm done. @Frogs Any photos? For a Phoenix sylvestris at 10 feet, hope you're either the world's strongest man or have your own equipment.

I'm no great lover of the Phoenix genus but sylvestnis would be my choice except for Lethal Bronzing and wilt or whatever fatal disease kills them. I have only a triple or Phoenix roebelinii my husband bought over 30 years ago. Nothing bothers them. How about some photos of your acquisitions? They shouldn't be hard to plant yourself if not too large - watch the 3-6" spines. Or you may want to contact your seller for a quote to plant. These are not palms to go cheap on unless you really know what you are doing. And if you do hire a "professional' ask for their Workmans comp policy in case their workers end up in the emergency room. I'm not trying to scare you but I read what these darlings are capable of. Will some Phoenix experts give this latent palm lover some sage advice? Where in FL do you live - very important as it is a large state? I promise to never come visit you. I agree with what @kinzyjr told you. He knows his palms.

Wow Meg, your garden is recovering nicely! Its good to hear you have soldiered on after the cat 5 hurricane damage. The prichardias look very nice. I have one just like the one you dont have identified, like a "spitting image" we used to say. Possibly P. munroi. I am hoping for good rains to come your way and continue the strong growth in your garden. That sabal causiarum has really taken off. Best wishes for strong continued growth!

I expect that F1's are just a small part of the hybrid population as these readily hybridize on their own. My memory of the grand old filiferas planted in rows on palm tree lane in phoenix are of trees with 3 to 4' thick trunks at the base, you can only experience the awe fully in person. Last I saw them they were 40-50' tall or so. Those FIiferas in arizona had a lighter grey green leaf too. Might be all palms in this thread have some robusta genetics. I guess time will tell, 3'+ thick trunks are likely all filifera. But different regions and soil types may cause trunks to be more slim, and in 15 years I have yet to see an impressively thick filifera or filibusta type in florida. Filifera and filibusta types with thicker trunks don't hold as many green leaves here.

I agree with Jim, Harry, and NC_Palms, and I would also advise your brother to plant the palm tree in the ground or in a much larger pot and to water it more. The climate is good, and it should thrive with more water. Often seen here at the lake, but still a wonderful species. Best of luck to your brother.

simply great

It is truly a top grade ornamental palm, so exotic looking and tolerant of a lot of conditions. Joey palms and kerriodoxas are one off my top selling palms I have.

That’s the go kerriodoxas, I got about 600 of them 🤣

@jwitt The loquat has only had tip burn on the coldest years but besides that it seems hail and strong winds cause more damage.

Ok the plants are awesome and all but - Rancho los Baños? I'm absolutely a gringo but they couldn't have picked a better name? I mean 😂

Oh wow thanks for sharing!

Wow so sorry everyone for just abandoning this thread. But anyways here’s the CIDPs. They’re obviously not as big, but they survived as strap leaf seedlings this past winter. And then here’s my pygmy date. Although kept as a potted palm.

Great job! Everything coming along nicely . You may feel differently once the Phoenix Canariensis puts out a couple more fronds . I still have that Washy here . I plan to mail it to you as soon as I recover from my recent surgery . The plan was to wait for the holidays before getting my new hip but it became unavoidable. It is growing well in its little pot. Harry

I had already sent a few but I can go by there and get some more if I am in Ventura this weekend . They will probably be on the ground now . I will see . To get the ones you have , I just hit the fruit with my cane and they came down easily , probably even better now! Harry

Nice! Several of those plants are not really doable in a zone 8a outside high elevation SW US. I am most impressed with the loquat, I was unaware they liked that much sun. Do you see leaf damage on ii from cold or sun?

Yes, you'll definitely want to use a palm specific fertilizer but better to wait until spring to apply it. It's not a good idea to fertilize a newly planted palm (less than 4 months) as it tries to get roots going to get established. Plus it's kinda late in the season for applying fertilizer anyway. The palm fertilizer should contain micronutrients such as magnesium and manganese along with the typical N-P-K.

Thank you @Fusca, @Las Palmas Norte, @jwitt, and @Harry’s Palms! The palm was in the pot in a very shaded and overgrown back yard of an old home that was about to be demolished. It was quite rootbound, and I was very careful when planting. I've been keeping it watered, usually every other day, but will go to daily watering moving forward. I purchased a bag of palm fertilizer - will that suffice or does it need something different? I've also wrapped the trunk in burlap (which really helped with the heavy petioles) and will apply mulch for the winter. Fingers crossed it will make it. I appreciate your sharing your expertise..

For sure, as I say palms are not what you know but who you know 🤣

This looks like a Ptychosperma. Chamaedoreas don't have cut leaflets.

Tom, if we look at F2 and higher hybrids, situation becomes chaotic. I prefer not speaking of just filibusta but rather of filibusta-filifera and filibusta-robusta. Take for example this specimen. It has been growing twice faster as the other two and when younger had markedly purple hues on the petioles. Also its offspring have bright red stems. However purple disappeared with age as also largely the white fuzz on the base of the costa. ⁰

Yes, I believe it was renamed to calcarea sometime in the past decade.

I have Lady Palm in the ground in zone 8 Washington, DC. This was one of the coldest, snowiest winters in recent history, but it made it through with some damage. Now growing again. Typically, we have a few mild winter days to break the cold, and, typically, most nights don’t dip below freezing for more than an hour or so. There’s usually one or two extended cold snaps where, at least in our neighborhood, it bottoms out around 20 degrees to mid 20’s for 5-7 days. Half the plant was eaten last summer by rats and squirrels, so it was already compromised going into winter. It’s small, but growing again. During a normal winter, it would likely take far less damage. Zone 7 will be pushing it though.

Wanted to share a couple pics of my palms growing in an exposed valley with an elevation of 4000 ft in Southern Arizona Zone 8a where temps usually go down to 13F every year. The Butia and Uresana have been growing 6+ years with no protection and very little to no irrigation. The Sabal Mexicana was a gift from Dyers Nursery in Weslaco, TX and has grown 4 new fronds this year alone. The “weeds” are purposely left around the trunks to provide a living mulch and shade in the extreme heat. Pictured in order is a Butia, Med fan palm, Sabal Mexicana, Sabal Uresana, Washingtonia Filibusta, Phoenix Dactylifera, and a bonus Loqaut.

From that I would save some seeds and go from there. I would expect that they would grow quickly in summer for you in the south but they would need protection from cold in winter. I have a seedling growing here that has not yet bloomed but we lack heat to get things to grow.

Canaries were my first love. Unfortunately by the time they get to size a lot can happen. Great reason to have dozens and dozens of species is to dilute the disappointments a bit 🤛🏻😎

Some stuff in there I have not seen or heard of before, and I'm a nerd that reads a ton lol. looking good! Thank you for all of your update photos as they grow, I appreciate the reality dose you give with your posts showing how growing really is here (and what it's not)

Very nice

The Kentia palms look good in the background, also.

They are beautiful!

I was torn between a Sylvester and a CIDP. I really like the Sylvestris better, but I found this for a pretty bangin deal. The struggle is real.

Everyone likes a teaser clip. This year's - Beccariophoenix fenestralis