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A nice bit of rain and some high temperatures has the Sabal moving along looking rather good. A nice easy palm to grow tolerant of a lot cool weather and heat like most palms just add water and good drainage!

A couple of the more common New Caledonia palms, but still very eye catching: cyphophoenix elegans: Kentiopsis Oliviformis:

Same old Pinanga demanding attention at leaf drop.

In 2014, I gathered seeds of this species from habitat in Cuba. 12 years of growth in the Arizona desert and here are the results. The ones I planted in full, all day sun, are finally putting out larger fan shaped leaves. The ones planted in shade, although a much prettier shade of green, are still only pushing strap leaves after all this time. Full sun definitely makes a difference in speed of growth. Species is basically a miniature version of Copernicia macroglossa, but is better adapted to smaller yards and gardens where space is at a premium. Unfortunately, due to its extremely slow growth rate and rarity of seeds, it will never be common or commercially produced. aztropic Mesa, Arizona

What actually caught my eye today was my marojejya darinii, there are palms and then there are palms! This is one of those palms too me!

Urens are pretty max when they fall over.

I have one growing in full sun and I love it. It is perhaps my favorite Sabal in the garden, because it looks quite different from the rest. Unfortunately not very resistant to wind but even so it retains an interesting figure. In a worrying incident during past warm season it had its youngest fully developed frond dried out almost up to half the length of its petiole and further growth stalled. This has signaled a loud alarm in my mind, because it could be a symptom of rhizoctonia, which had killed many other smaller Sabal specimens around with similar initial symptoms. So I had to resort to very radical measures, I had nothing to lose anyway. I drenched the soil around the plant with 10 lt water containing 400 gr tolclofos-methyl. This is a horrific amount of fungicide. But no other young frond has died ever since and plant was growing all summer long at snail's pace but it was growing nonetheless! As weather has progressively cooled up and rainfalls started, plant has taken off and a huge new leaf has unfolded.

I prefer to with some remote germinating palms to raise the seedling to the button level after transplanting them, I don’t know why but some prefer to raised, if you do it with a Joey they don’t seem to be as strong in the container for some reason, perhaps remote germinating palms that dont have a trunk prefer to be planted deeper and those with a trunk like to be lifted. From my experience if buried back to the original seed they seem to not like it with certain varieties that have been transplanted. Strange because in nature it would not occur but in cultivation it seems to be the go, knowing which ones to lift is the trick!

I’ll say it god oh mighty!

Caryota maxima when they fall they hit hard, they don’t call them maxima for no reason at all!

Hola @Baja Sur nice to meet you, sorry to hear the reason. You, @Harry’s Palms and me are all kinda sorta neighbors, though I suspect you’re a lot more tropical. Triangles like fast drainage and mucho agua and sometimes get fungus. Puctures por favor!

A couple of beauties there @Hilo Jason. My Cyphophoenix is just a baby , nice to see what a larger one looks like. Also the Kentiopsis Oliformis , I just sowed some seeds and the New Caledonia palms grow slowly for me. Harry

Below are some photos from the meeting: I had a great time and got to check out a potential future meeting site after the meeting, courtesy of @PalmBossTampa!

Socratea stilt roots. Tim

I am in Fresno, but we're under that dreaded tule fog at the moment. Haven't seen the sun since that last rain in November just prior to Thanksgiving. Just fog all day long. My soil is still wet and my palms look good, so I probably won't be irrigating unless we go another month without rain and I notice the soil becomes too dry.

No, sir. I'm completely focused on the palm tree material 😁 😃 That was always my answer to our favorite teacher in high school, who looked just like Robin Williams-RIP, with the same gestures and way of speaking, full of wit, intelligence, and pure humor. He would always ask, “Boy, are you paying attention?” Of course I was, but he shouldn't have seated me right by the window when the girls' class was taking place downstairs, playing soccer, basketball, and volleyball—bad luck... I sat next to a top student and my teacher thought that would rub off on me. Once he asked me what I thought about Napoleon on Elba, and I said it was 2-1 to the girls in blue jerseys... he had to laugh himself, and then I gave him a smarter answer...

@Foggy Paul Yes , the Indian Summers extend our growing season and are nice , as long as we don’t get the howling Santa Ana winds with it. The one negative of being up on hospital hill is exposure to the winds. Harry

A couple more borneense have come up, and they have to be the biggest seedlings I have worked with. There’s another two that need potting a bit later so 5 out of 10 not too bad for imported seeds. Should be an interesting rather large palm tree to grow, definitely looking forward to seeing them in the garden.

Ι have tried it with a Hyphaene coriacea in pumice. The plant still lives and has segmented leaves, but I had to remove several cm of pumice from the top in oder to reveal the bulb, because every regula4 winter I had issues with rot.

It’s taken around 9 months to get to this stage, but actual germination around 4 to 5 months. Sown on the 26/3/2025.

Just wanting to confirm the variety. This palm is different than other dwarf coconut palms I have grown as it seems to have different growth habits and characteristics. Their trunks were shorter with closer/tighter petioles. They all received essentially the same amount of direct sunlight as this palm gets. This palm is 2-3 years old and is approximately 5ft tall. It seems to have decent growth rates. The spear seen in the picture is just barely starting to open and there is already a new smaller spear visible.

It looks like a green dwarf to me but then I am no expert. I have golden malay dwarves here and they all look basically the same but there are small variations in one from a different supplier. Probably not much help but might give you something to ponder Peachy

I was a bit disappointed actually, they were a pacsoa purchase from palm and cycad society, one would at least think they were good to go! It may have been the germinaters fault!

Yes , lots of water . I water mine at least twice a week , more in warm weather . I have fast draining soil with dry breezy conditions nearly every afternoon. I have not had any trouble with them . They have been in the ground for over 25 years , very small palms when I planted them . Harry Tucked in behind the Caryota Mitis Right after removing a few old leaf bases.

Great palms; like Steve says, even better in semi shade. The white leaf undersides are are an added bonus..

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Update on these orania, nothing germinated!

Here’s the one I have in the shade, super stretchy petioles.

I recently learned here on PT that these like an arid climate. They do very well at my house but evidently can have fungal problems in certain parts of Hawaii. Pics would help. Harry

My favorite Sabal as well. Unfortunately the gophers liked “Marty” enough to make a meal of it. 🙁 Harry

I have another one that’s quite large in deeper shade and the petioles stretch to almost 3 meters, definitely better looking in the shade. Most people think Sabal it must have sun, not the mauritiformis. One nice palm they are and a bit rare in my area!

This is probably the only group on earth with "society" in the name where I'm accepted. So I'll say it.

No snakes like pythons here in California. At least not that I know of.

Heresy! Burn him, he's a witch.

Two years ago I got a hybrid Encephalartos from a botanic garden overhere. I got it just because it is a hybrid, see the written text "hybrid discard". This summer I noticed "movement" in the crown and I was curious whether it would cone or flusch. It appeared to be coning, two nice green cones with a length of 30 cm's. I now wonder whether it will become a little bit yellow/orange. The cross is natalensis x villosus.

Nice! Did you grow them from spores? Here's some that I visited at the weekend to inspire your future garden!

Clinostigma samoense in a light drizzle. One of the world’s most beautiful palms. Tim

Which specimen are you referring to cheeky? Haha. Guys please stop posting photos from Madeira. You make me question all my life choices! I should've moved there. I can't believe that stunning strongylodon macrobotrys! I want!

I threw them in Solo cups. I just need to stay on top of watering. I've learned that just heavily misting the top of the soil works for me until they get established. What I love about this is there's no right or wrong way to do things. What works for me might not work for you and vice versa, but if I regularly just heavily mist the top of my Sabal seedlings they seem to die less than the ones I deep water and they die even less than the ones I ignore.

You gotta collect the underpants. Just like the old South Park episode. Nobody knows what step 2 is. But step 3 is profit.

This thread is now a merge with the following: https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/92037-sowing-a-few-more-seeds-again/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/91966-sowing-a-few-seeds-again/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/91545-sowing-a-few-areca-vestria-red-form-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/91453-sowing-a-few-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/91133-sowing-a-couple-of-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/89436-sowing-more-seeds-rps-this-time/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90668-sowing-a-few-arenga-engleri-ptychosperma-elegans-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90608-sowing-a-few-chuniophoenix-nana-chamaedorea-adscendens-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90594-sowing-a-few-hyphaene-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90459-sowing-some-more-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90447-sowing-more-seeds-again/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90234-sowing-a-few-parajubea-microcarpa-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90286-sowing-a-few-gausia-maya-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90302-sowing-a-few-licuala-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90113-sowing-a-few-more-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/90040-sowing-a-few-chamaedorea-genoformis-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/89410-sowing-a-nice-batch-of-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/89320-sowing-a-couple-of-dypsis-minuta-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/88220-sowing-a-few-livistona-alfredii-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/88914-sowing-a-few-seeds-lytocarum-insigne-chamaedoreas-benziei/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/88799-sowing-a-few-seeds-hetrospathe-scitula-physokentia-dennisii/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/88652-sowing-a-few-lanonia-dasyantha-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/88530-sowing-a-few-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/81305-sowing-areca-vestiaria-red-form-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/88152-sowing-a-few-licuala-cordata-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/87919-sowing-a-couple-of-seeds-today/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/87857-sowing-a-few-lanonia-sp-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/87578-sowing-a-few-iriatia-deltoidea-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/87292-sowing-a-few-seeds-lytocarum-weddlianum-vonitra-perrieri/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/87400-sowing-a-few-gifted-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/87154-let’s-get-sowing-some-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/85967-sowing-a-few-chamaedorea-descendant-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/85537-sowing-a-few-different-palm-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/84839-sowing-a-few-reinhardtia-gracilis-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/84825-sowing-a-few-livistonia-nitida-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/84025-sowing-some-oraniopsis-appendiculata-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/84158-sowing-some-dypsis-plumosa-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/83793-sowing-some-chamearops-humillis-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/83123-sowing-orania-palindan-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/82805-sowing-a-few-seeds/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/82676-sowing-a-few-johannesteijsmannia-magnifica-seeds/ Quite honestly, a seed-starting encyclopedia. Please continue to update this thread with any additional seed starting.

Definitely received seeds for Sabal mexicana aka Sabal texana. I have both it and Brazoria and can confirm Brazoria is intermediate size between Sabal minor and Sabal mexicana

Meet Dr. María José Sanín, the coauthor of the definitive treatment of Ceroxylon and the palm biologist at Montgomery Botanical Center in Miami, Florida, in this month's newsletter, and learn about the palm-themed installation in frosty Germany for the international art event, documenta. Also check out a new palm garden near San Francisco that the Northern California Palm Society affiliate visited in June. July 2025 newsletter.pdf

Save the Species is the Society's annual campaign to fund conservation of the world's most endangered palm species. Read about this year's campaign for the Madagascar native palm, Ravenea louvelii, in this month's newsletter. We also continue our travelogue from September's 2025 IPS midterm meeting and tour in Peru. Nov 2025 newsletter-final.pdf

I’m not sure of the name of these agaves but they grow wild locally and the locals use them for medicinal purposes. My sister in law makes a home remedy with the fermented leaves of these agave. It’s used to clean out your kidneys. I really like the color of the leaves on these.

Yes, absolutely. Sabine and I are trying it here too, with the means at our disposal.

Hello all! I have created a high-resolution USDA Plant Hardiness Zones map for Greece, based on climate data from the period 2006-2025. The aim of this work was to create the most detailed depiction of hardiness zones, utilizing modern geospatial analysis techniques to capture the complex geomorphology of the Greek territory. Methodology & Data: Primary Data: The analysis was based on annual minimum temperatures from the meteorological station networks of NOA, HNMS and selected stations from reliable networks with strict operating standards (IMS). Geospatial Analysis: A combination of Multivariate Regression and Spatial Interpolation (Regression-Kriging) was used. The model factored in latitude, distance from the sea, and altitude. Digital Elevation Model (DEM): A high-definition DEM (~300m) was applied for the precise application of the Lapse Rate. This allowed for the separation of warm coastal zones from colder hinterlands at the pixel level, highlighting microclimates lost in previous approaches. Results & Observations: The map clearly depicts the range of zones, from the cold Zone 6a in the mountains, to Zone 11a (>4.4°C). Of particular interest is the spatial distribution of Zone 11a, which was identified based on the data: In the Dodecanese (Extensively in Rhodes, as well as in Kasos, Karpathos, Kastellorizo). In Monemvasia, which constitutes the only location where Zone 11a appears on the mainland. Crete (Northern and Southern coasts) and Gavdos. Cyclades (Amorgos, Koufonisia, Sifnos). In Hydra, which represents a remarkable microclimate and constitutes the northernmost point of Zone 11a occurrence in the entire Mediterranean. See the map in full resolution in the attached file.

I wish. I should have mentioned. that FL has a serious problem with people trespassing onto parks, restricted wildlife areas and private property to poach Serenoa seeds to sell to seed peddlers and prostate medicine manufacturers. I've had my saw palmettos stripped of their seeds overnight. It's illegal of course but you have to catch them in their vans full of pickers. Seeds ripen July/Aug. in my part of FL. If someone asked for seeds politely I would probably give them some, but no one asks; they just steal. This larceny is interfering with reproductive. wild Serenoa and endangering whole populations of this native palm. So, be careful if you go looking or you will be cited and your haul seized if you pick a wrong location.

@NickJames The tag is fairly accurate from . I prefer to think of hardiness more in terms of probability than a single number. This thread contains a spreadsheet I have been compiling to consolidate the cold hardiness data on the site into a single document: https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/61358-0000-cold-hardiness-observation-master-data/ As an example of my philosophy, some coconuts have survived into the 20's, there are a few reports of specimens surviving 19F, but there are also observations of coconuts dying in the low or even mid-30s in spots. The 30F benchmark is probably accurate in the majority of cases. Foxtails are another mixed bag. We have specimens that handle mid-20s with few or no issues, we have others that take damage as soon as there is any amount of time below freezing.