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Astrocaryum alatum

Kai

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Kai Mentor

Kai

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Hello everybody,

I'm trying to keep detailed photographic archives of the palms I'm trying to grow.

Here's a growth-photo-show, or something.

Germination starts:

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Amsterdam,

The Netherlands

amazondk Grand Master

amazondk

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Kai,

It seems like you like those spiny palms.  I guess these grow further north in Central America.  There are quite a few kinds of astrocaryums around my area though growing in different habitats.

dk

Don Kittelson

 

LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO

03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West

Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level

1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River

 

Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta

Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. .

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Kai Mentor

Kai

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(amazondk @ Feb. 09 2008,15:07)

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Kai,

It seems like you like those spiny palms.  I guess these grow further north in Central America.  There are quite a few kinds of astrocaryums around my area though growing in different habitats.

dk

That's right, I'm very interested in spiny palms. I find their growth patterns very interesting.

Quite a few Astrocaryum species in your area? I'm only familiar with A. vulgare, A. mexicanum and A. alatum. I ordered some of the mexicanum seeds, so hopefully I'll get some nice seedlings out of that too.

What kinds grow in your area? Maybe, if they're interesting enough, you'd like to sell me some?

Oh and did you find out about the ice cream recipe for the tucuma's? I tried googeling, but I only found some acai ice cream recipe's.

Thanks anyway!

Kai

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The Netherlands

amazondk Grand Master

amazondk

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Kai,

Yes there are quite a few species of Astorcaryum growing around here.  Very common is the A. januari which grows n the varzea flooded forests.  There is also the A. murumuru which grows in primary upland forests.  No I did not find an recipies.  If I find one I will let you know.

dk

Don Kittelson

 

LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO

03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West

Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level

1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River

 

Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta

Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. .

82331.gif

 

Click here to visit Amazonas

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Kai Mentor

Kai

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I bought some awarra's (Astrocaryum vulgare fruits) last weekend on the market in Amsterdam. I'll try to get the seeds germinated once again. I had a lot of fruit coming off the seeds and decided that I should make jelly out of it, because I have no idea of how to make ice cream. The jelly is delicious! I just developped my own palmfruit-jelly recipe!  :P

Tomorrow I'll have awarra jelly on my sandwich to work!

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The Netherlands

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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Kai,

Great documentation.  Thanks, and keep it going.

Keith

In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Hello Kai,

 I have a nice porcupine growing here called Astrocaryum aculeatissimum that I found as a sprouted seed some years ago in the atlantic forest. It stayed two weeks in a glass of water during my vaction there,and when I returned to home I planted it a pot ,not expecting it would grow...

 This year I planted it out in the shade of my araucaria forest. I hope it will survive the freezes.....

 Album: GOT A PIC...untitled 7,untiled 3, etc

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Knnn Apprentice

Knnn

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Here's a couple before and after photos of A.alatum

November 2006,

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And recently,

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I'm in the middle of Kansas here, so if anything, your growth rates should be a little quicker  :D

Steve

Zone 5B ~ Central Kansas

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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These palms need plenty of space! Here's one of my A. alatum.

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Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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And a grove of A. mexicanum. Need to clean up some of these, but that needs to be done VERY carefully! :P

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Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

PalmsZA Proficient

PalmsZA

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Hey Bo

How large an area is your alatum covering? I have two planted out about 6m apart......How long and wide would you guess the leaves are? There are no large ones here yet hence all the questions!

Thanks

D

Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Dennis,

It's 21:00 here, so instead of my guessing, let me take a couple of measurements tomorrow morning and post them. I planted 10 (ten) A. mexicanum in this area in April 1999. They were in 1G pots, and probably less than a foot (30 cm) tall. Part of this area is a deep depression (a lava fissure), that drops down quite a bit in some places on our property. Here's another photo from the opposite direction. Just to the right of the Roystonea, there's a drop of about 10-12 ft. and I've planted most of the Astrocaryums down there. To my immediate right (just beyond the Roystonea that's just barely visible all the way on the right) it drops down at least 40 ft.

Bo-Göran

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Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

Kris Grand Master

Kris

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Dear Kai  :)

lovely step by step illustrations and lovely stills of that palm...

thanks & love,

Kris  :)

love conquers all..

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Jeff in St Pete Grand Master

Jeff in St Pete

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Kai, here are some pics of some large A alatum's growing here in Costa Rica.  I love the fronds on these palms!

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Formerly Jeff in Costa Rica
 

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Dennis,

Checked out the A. mexicanum this morning. The ten of them are planted in an area roughly 25 x 50 ft (7.5x15 m), and most of them are about 6-10 ft apart (1.8-3 m). Each frond is probably right around 14 ft long (4 m.).

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

amazondk Grand Master

amazondk

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Those are nice looking trees.  Even though we have a lot of it's cousins growing in the forest around here I do not believe we have this one here.  It would be great to have one.  One of my favorite Astrocaryums is the A. mumumuru.  I need to get one of these as well.

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Don Kittelson

 

LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO

03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West

Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level

1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River

 

Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta

Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. .

82331.gif

 

Click here to visit Amazonas

amazonas2.jpg

brodklop Experienced

brodklop

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Here is one growing nicely at the Mt Cootha BG in Brisbane

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Palms are the king of trees

Brod

Brisbane, Australia

28 latitude, sub tropical

summer average 21c min - 29c max

winter average 10c min - 21c max

extremes at my place 5c - 42c

1100 average rainfall

PalmsZA Proficient

PalmsZA

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Hi Guys

Bo G - Thanks for the vital stats! a 4m leaf on these is going to be awesome!

Keep the pics coming guys! Lovely

Dennis

Pic of one of my Astros 2 years ago. I need to get an updated pic!

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Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

The Palm Nut Mentor

The Palm Nut

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Here is mine still showing mostly full leafs.

Mike

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Port Macquarie NSW Australia

Warm temperate to subtropical

Record low of -2C at airport 2006

Pushing the limit of palm survivabilities

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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(The Palm Nut @ Mar. 05 2008,21:31)

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Here is mine still showing mostly full leafs.

Mike

How old is yours Mike?. Does winter knock it around at all?

regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

The Palm Nut Mentor

The Palm Nut

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(Tyrone @ Mar. 08 2008,20:39)

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(The Palm Nut @ Mar. 05 2008,21:31)

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Here is mine still showing mostly full leafs.

Mike

How old is yours Mike?. Does winter knock it around at all?

regards

Tyrone

Hi Tyrone,

Mine is actually quite old. Can't remember who I got the seedling from but it is around 10 years old.

It has had a hard life. It was left to fend for it's self.

Years of wet and dry feet knock it around but didn't kill it. When I finally planted it, it was slow. Even now I see little more than one leaf per year. But these are tough and given time, look forward to visitors asking what species is that!

Mike

Port Macquarie NSW Australia

Warm temperate to subtropical

Record low of -2C at airport 2006

Pushing the limit of palm survivabilities

Karen Contributor

Karen

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I love the spiny palms - we have many.  But just barely brushing my arm with an A. standleyanum spine, when we were clearing an area, caused the spot to swell up larger than an egg.  When red streaks started running up my arm the next day, decided it was time to visit the doctor.  Ten days on antibiotics took care of the problem.

Have had slight swellings from other spines such as the Aiphanes, but nothing like this.  I still think it is a great asset to the landscape, just buyer beware!!

North of Hilo on the Big Island of Hawaii

1200' elevation, 200" rain/year

Year round stream with small waterfalls

Kai Mentor

Kai

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(Karen @ Mar. 10 2008,08:17)

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I love the spiny palms - we have many.  But just barely brushing my arm with an A. standleyanum spine, when we were clearing an area, caused the spot to swell up larger than an egg.  When red streaks started running up my arm the next day, decided it was time to visit the doctor.  Ten days on antibiotics took care of the problem.

Have had slight swellings from other spines such as the Aiphanes, but nothing like this.  I still think it is a great asset to the landscape, just buyer beware!!

Wow! That souds pretty serious! Some kind of bacteriological infection I think. I don't think the spines of Astrocaryums are poisonous themselves, right?

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The Netherlands

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8er-moni Rising Star

8er-moni

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Great pictures - WOW -- thank you!

This is my "new" Astrocaryum alatum from Sandra/Santarello:

15.05.09

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today - I think she likes it in the wintergarden :D

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I try to germinate a few seeds from Astrocaryum standleyanum (thank you Sandra!) - do you have a hint for me how to be successful?

One seed I cracked .... the others are complete :D

Greetings from a litte village near Salzburg/Austria

Moni

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USDA 5b (up to -26° C)

It is very hard for me to see, how many plants are growing around the the world, which I don't have in my collection!!!!

virtualpalm Veteran

virtualpalm

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Here are a couple photos of what I thought was Astrocaryum alatum in Panama:

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And here are a couple photos of another species of Astrocaryum in Honduras. Does anyone know which species this is?

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Jody

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Day 3...

- 12:02PM: In the waiting area not far from the gift shop at the Rain Forest Aerial Tram, attendee and Forum member Ron Kiefert (moose knuckle) noticed a peculiar Astrocaryum alatum. It had no spines on it. It had a few small, soft spines on the newly emergent leaf petiole but that was it.

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Costa Rica Biennel - wish I had this spineless one for tissue culture!

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

Kai Mentor

Kai

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So nice to see all those Astro's, I love'em!

A spineless Astro is very interesting, I wish I had seeds!

Here's another update on my seedling: (actually from november last year...)

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8er-moni Rising Star

8er-moni

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Ah, very good! Now I know, how the next leaves will look like :winkie:

Thank ypu for the update, Kai!

Greetings from a litte village near Salzburg/Austria

Moni

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USDA 5b (up to -26° C)

It is very hard for me to see, how many plants are growing around the the world, which I don't have in my collection!!!!

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