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Dypsis onilahensis ??.

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Ntheastpalms

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Hello all

I purchased this palm as Dypsis onilahensis but I'm not sure if has been correctly named. Is this what you guys in the U.S.A are calling Dypsis sp "slick willy"?.

Any feedback would be great.

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Matt

Northern

New South Wales

Australia

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Thats what it looks like to me. And ready to plant in the ground too.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Ntheastpalms

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Thanks Jeff

Matt

Northern

New South Wales

Australia

Matt in SD Veteran

Matt in SD

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Oh c'mon Jeff.  We've had this whole debate here before  :P.  That is what us Southern Californians call Dypsis 'slick willy' or Dypsis 'bef'.  There seems to be an East vs. West dispute as to whether it is the same species as Dypsis onilahensis or not.  When larger, and trunking, that palm will look very similar/indentical to the "non-weeping" form of Dypsis onilahensis.  The weeping form of onilahensis does not have a heel when young, and is definitely a different looking plant for it's whole life.  So whether or not 'slick willy' aka 'bef' is the same as the non-weeping form of onilahensis they end up looking pretty much exactly the same as adults...and it's an awesome palm that is hard to find these days.  

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

madagascarbob Rising Star

madagascarbob

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Slick Willy is alot slower .

Gonzer Grand Master

Gonzer

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Looks exactly like my SW given to me by Ron Lawyer years ago. The base is nothing like an onil.

 

 

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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(Matt in SD @ Feb. 13 2008,02:33)

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Oh c'mon Jeff.  We've had this whole debate here before  :P.  That is what us Southern Californians call Dypsis 'slick willy' or Dypsis 'bef'.  There seems to be an East vs. West dispute as to whether it is the same species as Dypsis onilahensis or not.  When larger, and trunking, that palm will look very similar/indentical to the "non-weeping" form of Dypsis onilahensis.  The weeping form of onilahensis does not have a heel when young, and is definitely a different looking plant for it's whole life.  So whether or not 'slick willy' aka 'bef' is the same as the non-weeping form of onilahensis they end up looking pretty much exactly the same as adults...and it's an awesome palm that is hard to find these days.  

Matt

Matt,

   I know this has been beaten into the ground, ugh! But, like I said, I'm sticking to my observations/gut feelings. To me this palm appears to be the stiff looking form of D. onilahensis. Sorry, but I think their both part of the D. onilahensis complex. And all these common names mean absolutely nothing to me. All it does is add more confussion. Do I feel like I'm 100% correct,absolutely not. Because when the day's over, until this plant has flowered, we really don't know,right?

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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That's a good looking plant too.  These heel forming Dypsis always seem to stall out for me in the containers.  I've always assumed that they need root room to get going but yours is large and in a small container.  What's up with that?  Maybe I'm just a lame grower.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Dypsisdean Grand Master

Dypsisdean

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Yep,

That's the 'Slick Willy.'

Nothing like the stiff D. onilahensis brought in by M. Darian about 20 years ago, although they could be confused as adults. And certainly nothing like the weeping type brought in since then.

I'm sticking to my story as well.  :)

BTW --- the 3-4 juvenile stiff D. onilahensis I remember seeing had no heel. In fact, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't all the baronii/lutescens (moderate clumping Dypsis) complex without heels? (albofarinos, arenarum, psammophila, heterophylla, lanceolata, oreophila, etc) without heels?

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Kona, on The Big Island
Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes

Matt in SD Veteran

Matt in SD

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Jeff,

Don't worry, you're still a palm god in my eyes even though you think 'slick willy' is onilahensis  :D   The only reason I brought it up here is that Dypsis onilahensis is such a variable species complex that to say someone has a Dypsis onilahensis doesn't really give a clear picture of what their palm will look like.

I think we're all in agreement that the palm in the photo will grow up to look like the non-weeping form of onilahensis.  Just wanted to straighten that out.

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

Dypsisdean Grand Master

Dypsisdean

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I second the motion of Palm God status for Jeff, despite his stubborness.  :)

All in favor..............................

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Kona, on The Big Island
Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Eyeball!

...and I think you mean D. heteromorpha Dean, not D. heterophylla...must be the forum software glitching.:D

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Dypsisdean Grand Master

Dypsisdean

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(MattyB @ Feb. 13 2008,13:25)

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Eyeball!

...and I think you mean D. heteromorpha Dean, not D. heterophylla...must be the forum software glitching.:D

"software glitching?"

Is that the new PC terminology for senility?

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Kona, on The Big Island
Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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PC as in "personal computer" or PC as in "Politically Correct"?  I know so many things it's hard for me to have normal conversations with regular nongenius people.  Please forgive my humble brilliance.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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(Matt in SD @ Feb. 13 2008,16:40)

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Jeff,

Don't worry, you're still a palm god in my eyes even though you think 'slick willy' is onilahensis  :D   The only reason I brought it up here is that Dypsis onilahensis is such a variable species complex that to say someone has a Dypsis onilahensis doesn't really give a clear picture of what their palm will look like.

I think we're all in agreement that the palm in the photo will grow up to look like the non-weeping form of onilahensis.  Just wanted to straighten that out.

Matt

Matt/Dean,

     Hey, you gotta give me some credit, I tried to stir it up some, but with little results. I guess I'm just gonna have to fly out there again and have good ole Bill drive me around for 3 days.

     And yes, it will not grow up to be a weeper. Oh, and can you please drop the palm god crap? I probably have killed more palms then anyone. Ok..lets talk Ravenea, anyone have a good pic? :D

Who's coming to Florida this year? :D

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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So the "Palm God" job is declared vacant, calling all prospectives, apply within.  :)

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I'll be the "Palm goat"......   usually horny, can have a beard and eats everything in sight.

But Jeff got it right and so did Matt(s). Why pick on our Jeff? He never said which he thought it was, he just agreed to Matts first post.... :)

Heres my big single Slick Willy, looks the same.

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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(Gonzer @ Feb. 13 2008,04:50)

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Looks exactly like my SW given to me by Ron Lawyer years ago. The base is nothing like an onil.

Ron gave you a palm? :o

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Matt in SD Veteran

Matt in SD

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(BS, Man about Palms @ Feb. 13 2008,20:23)

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But Jeff got it right and so did Matt(s). Why pick on our Jeff? He never said which he thought it was, he just agreed to Matts first post.... :)

I just realized that I hadn't read the whole first post somehow and didn't see that Matt had sugggested it may be 'slick willy'.  Sorry Jeff...you're answer of "yes" to the question of "is it onilahensis or 'slick willy'" is indeed correct!

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

palmazon Mentor

palmazon

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(BS @ Man about Palms,Feb. 13 2008,17:23)

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I'll be the "Palm goat"......   usually horny, can have a beard and eats everything in sight.

???

please pass me the barf bag

Bill - you're the original Slick Willy

I get by with a little help from my fronds

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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(palmazon @ Feb. 14 2008,04:54)

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(BS @ Man about Palms,Feb. 13 2008,17:23)

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I'll be the "Palm goat"......   usually horny, can have a beard and eats everything in sight.

???

please pass me the barf bag

Bill - you're the original Slick Willy

Hey- at least I elicited a "Palmazon" reply !  :D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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I think "elicit" is the key word here.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Are you questioning my "Auw thor rah tey"!!! ?  :angry:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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I'm glad we're all in agreement :P

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Matt, here's what your slick willy is gonna look like someday.  Pic taken at Bo's!

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

deezpalms Grand Master

deezpalms

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(palmazon @ Feb. 14 2008,04:54)

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(BS @ Man about Palms,Feb. 13 2008,17:23)

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I'll be the "Palm goat"......   usually horny, can have a beard and eats everything in sight.

???

please pass me the barf bag

Bill - you're the original Slick Willy

Slick Billy more like  :D

Dave Hughson

Carlsbad, Ca

1 mile from ocean

Zone 10b

Palm freaks are good peeps!!!!!

Ntheastpalms Proficient

Ntheastpalms

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Thank you all for the feed back & the banter  :D  :D  :D  & I sorry I could'nt reply earlier the computer's been cactus & I have only just got it back from the repairer.

I bought this palm for a steal at a local nursery that had no real idea what is was & just wanted to get rid if it, I only paid $20:00 Aussie for it & its in a 300mm (12 inch) pot.

While I'm going could I get a few cultivation tips, such as - full sun, part shade, cold hardiness you know all the normal quetions.

Cheers

Matt.

Matt

Northern

New South Wales

Australia

JEFF IN MODESTO Mentor

JEFF IN MODESTO

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... MHmm? Its not Dypsis onilahensis.... all of mine have secondary trunks.

Could it be a cross with slick willy????

Perhaps...

D. HILABEAST ?

Modesto, CA USDA 9b

July/August average 95f/63f

Dec/Jan average 55f/39f

Average lowest winter temp 27f

Record low temp 18f

Record high temp 113f

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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(Jeff in Modesto @ Feb. 15 2008,22:43)

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... MHmm? Its not Dypsis onilahensis.... all of mine have secondary trunks.

Could it be a cross with slick willy????

Perhaps...

D. HILABEAST ?

Jeff, I've noticed the "size" of a slick willy is proportional (generally) to how many trunks "it chooses" to put out. The couple singles I have are starting to get big, but the "multitrunkers" are still small.

EXCELLENT Deal Matt!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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