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Mystery red petiole palm.

BS Man about Palms

By BS Man about Palms
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BS Man about Palms

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I got this a little while back and I am amazed at what it's supposed to be.  I'll say what I was told it is, later.  I'd like guesses, please.

First, proof that its mine.  :cool:    (please note the winter weeds in the pot.)    :laugh:

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Post clean up.

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Posterior post clean up.  ???

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Post of upper palm post pot up.  :P

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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bill did it come with all the dead leaves?

i have no guess at present. :cool:

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Shon Mentor

Shon

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It would look so much better at my house. I would plant it right next to my Heterospathe glauca. We can do the same deal you have with Steve in San Diego you can have any seed.

San Marcos CA

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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(pohonkelapa @ Mar. 10 2008,21:41)

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bill did it come with all the dead leaves?

i have no guess at present. :cool:

:laugh: I hope you got a discount too. Anyways, it looks alot like a small Dictyosperma,Princess Palm. But hey, what do I know......

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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(pohonkelapa @ Mar. 10 2008,18:41)

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bill did it come with all the dead leaves?

i have no guess at present. :cool:

Nope, that was provided by a cold southern California winter......

Jeff, when you see this and a Dictyosperma next to each other, they don't look the same.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Matt in SD Veteran

Matt in SD

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Bill,

I was thinking Dictyosperma as well, it looks a lot like my Dictyosperma rubrum.  BUT, my D rubrum had much redder petiole edges and the leaves were not crinkled at the petiole like that.  So despite the similarity, I not really that certain it's a Dictyosperma.  No other guesses though.

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Matt and Jeff-  I give you one clue of what I was told it was.   Gary Levine has a large "triple" at his place, and I got it from Ron.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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I hope that's not a Lemurophoenix! That would be sad (sorry....!) :(

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

aussiearoids Grand Master

aussiearoids

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my guess Dypsis rivularis

Michael in palm paradise,

Tully, wet tropics in Australia, over 4 meters of rain every year.

Home of the Golden Gumboot, its over 8m high , our record annual rainfall.

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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I know Bill said it is not Dictyosperma, but what does he know? I think it is. :)

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Daryl Grand Master

Daryl

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maybe a young stretched madfox?

Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

Wai`anae Steve Veteran

Wai`anae Steve

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I had a young Dictyosperma album (sp) w/red petioles and thought it might be Dictyosperma rubrum.  But as it aged they new ones were all green.

I vote for Dictyosperma also.

Wai`anae Steve-------www.waianaecrider.com
Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
Temperature range yearly from say 95 to 62 degrees F
Only 3 hurricanes in the past 51 years and no damage. No floods where I am, No tornados, No earthquakes
No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Chambeyronia sp.redfox ?

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

TimHopper Proficient

TimHopper

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A sun bleached Chambeyronia  Hookerii ?

Tim Hopper

St Augustine Florida

timhoppers@gmail.com

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I should add the petioles and trunk as such are very hard, almost wood-like.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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what?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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(BS, Man about Palms @ Mar. 11 2008,00:00)

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Matt and Jeff-  I give you one clue of what I was told it was.   Gary Levine has a large "triple" at his place, and I got it from Ron.

So it WAS mislabeled when you bought it. :P  Ok...fess up.What do you think it is?

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Shon Mentor

Shon

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Can I tell everyone what it is yet?

San Marcos CA

DGP Explorer

DGP

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looks just like my baby dictyosperma album.

Dave

Farm Cove

Auckland, NZ

freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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Was it labeled Super Decipiens?

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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(Shon @ Mar. 11 2008,13:03)

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Can I tell everyone what it is yet?

Yes. Steal Bill's thunder before he returns from work. :)

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Chambeyronia lepidota?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

TimHopper Proficient

TimHopper

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Washingtonia ? Queen?

Tim Hopper

St Augustine Florida

timhoppers@gmail.com

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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Belongia inmyardii

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Tahina spectabilis :laugh:

I still thinks it's a Dictyosperma, probably rubra variety.

regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Entire leaf form of Phoenax roebellenii.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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(Jeff Searle @ Mar. 11 2008,21:18)

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Entire leaf form of Phoenax roebellenii.

Or entire leaf form of Calamus radicalis.

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I had a similar palm that was a mystery I was given over 1 1/2 years ago, the past owner didn't know what it was either....BUT, it was trying to clump. (Last winter killed it... :( )

I tried to describe it to Ron Lawyer at one time, I think I even showed him the old one. He said it sounded like what he told me had as a "red petiole Prestoea" he only had one or two, so I got one.  When you see it in person, it IS very different looking.

The old one stumped the regulars at Jungle Music too.  I'll try to find a pic of the old one.

Anyone seen or know of a "red petiole Prestoea" ? ???     Shon spends HOURS at JM weekly, never seen one, thats why he wants it!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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(BS, Man about Palms @ Mar. 11 2008,20:14)

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Anyone seen or know of a "red petiole Prestoea" ? ???    

Yep. But that is the old name. The new one is dictyosperma album.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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(LJG @ Mar. 11 2008,20:27)

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(BS @ Man about Palms,Mar. 11 2008,20:14)

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Anyone seen or know of a "red petiole Prestoea" ? ???    

Yep. But that is the old name. The new one is dictyosperma album.

Gosh, it must be just some plain ole' palm. I should probably just throw it in the mulcher then, huh?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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Bill, I was thinking how to tell if this is indeed a "red petiole Prestoea". Here is what you do. Place it out in full SoCal sun for a few days. If it burns up, yep, it was a red petiole Prestoea. If it does not, then you have yourself a different palm. Give it a shot.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Palmhut1 Enthusiast

Palmhut1

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Bill, I got a mulcher at my house.....LOL.... :D  :D  :D

Plant a palm....

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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(BS, Man about Palms @ Mar. 11 2008,23:14)

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I had a similar palm that was a mystery I was given over 1 1/2 years ago, the past owner didn't know what it was either....BUT, it was trying to clump. (Last winter killed it... :( )

I tried to describe it to Ron Lawyer at one time, I think I even showed him the old one. He said it sounded like what he told me had as a "red petiole Prestoea" he only had one or two, so I got one.  When you see it in person, it IS very different looking.

The old one stumped the regulars at Jungle Music too.  I'll try to find a pic of the old one.

Anyone seen or know of a "red petiole Prestoea" ? ???     Shon spends HOURS at JM weekly, never seen one, thats why he wants it!

Bill,

    I have never seen a red stem Prestoea before, but this looks similar or maybe close to this red stem Calyptronoma we saw down in the Domican Repulic. I can't remember the specie name.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Any inputs from Clayton or Mikey?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

JimR Proficient

JimR

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Looks like a baby Bottle to me.

Jim Robinson

Growing in:

San Antonio, TX Z9a

Key Allegro, TX Z10a

Phil Veteran

Phil

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Bill,

You mentioned "stumped the boys at Jungle Music", but I don't ever remember you're showing this palm to me.  Was the boss out of town???  I don't think it's a Dictyosperma.  It's probably on it's seventh leaf at least, and we'd spot a Dictyosperma by that point.  If it's a Prestoea, it's not a montana.  Sometimes Carpinteria have some red in the stem, but it doesn't appear to be that either.  Truck it on over and let's get a closer look.  That will give Shon a chance to nab it.

Phil

Jungle Music Palms and Cycads, established 1977 and located in Encinitas, CA, 20 miles north of San Diego on the Coast.  Phone:  619 2914605 Link to Phil's Email phil.bergman@junglemusic.net Website: www.junglemusic.net Link to Jungle Music Palms and Cycads

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