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Planting a Jubaea...

Alberto

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Today I planted a Jubaea that I germinated and was growing in a pot for +-5 years. I had two helpers! :)(Leonard and Lydia)

Here you can see a shot of two young Jubaeas of the same age. The palm in the ground was planted after one year in a pot. A big difference in growth.

I don´t know the normal growth of a Jubaea.... I only know they are slow

Is this normal for a 5 yo Jub in the ground?

PS on the 2nd shot you can also see a Butia x Jubaea F2 of the same age (a lot faster!),that shows a beautyfull gray-blue collor

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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´´Look! A ladybug! (joaninha)

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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A hard working man!

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Ooooff!

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Another helper (Lydia)

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Jubaea without pot in the hole,and....

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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...work done!

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Kris Grand Master

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Dear Alberto  :)

lovely stills of your kids and your jubea...iam very happy that you have done the right thing now since your children will really enjoy seeing its full grouth ! and they will also love it since they have done their part in this planting operation...

And post no.5 is my favouriate still.... :)

thanks & love,

Kris  :)

love conquers all..

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FRITO Grand Master

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Alberto,

Great posts and it was touching to see your kids give a helping hand as Kris metioned. Hopefully they can carry on your love for palms in future years.

that B XJ F2 looksgreat. 5 years from seed?

Also I see you plant on mounds. this topic has beifly been touched on.  is this part of your property low lying? low water table? or you just want to increase drainage...can you explain your methods?

thanks

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Dear Alberto  :)

lovely stills of your kids and your jubea...iam very happy that you have done the right thing now since your children will really enjoy seeing its full grouth ! and they will also love it since they have done their part in this planting operation...

And post no.5 is my favouriate still.... :)

thanks & love,

Kris  :)

Thanks Kris!

I think a Butyagrus you plant for your own delight...but a Jubaea...?.... I like them when they haven´t a trunk yet. When they begin to form a little  trunk they look totally strange and oddy in my eyes. When they have a considerable trunk (lets say 5 meter) they begin to look beautifull and proportional again and when they are over sixty or hundred years they are superb!!! :D

So ,I hope my children will enjoy them better then I will!:)

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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(FRITO @ Mar. 23 2008,10:56)

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Alberto,

Great posts and it was touching to see your kids give a helping hand as Kris metioned. Hopefully they can carry on your love for palms in future years.

that B XJ F2 looksgreat. 5 years from seed?

Also I see you plant on mounds. this topic has beifly been touched on.  is this part of your property low lying? low water table? or you just want to increase drainage...can you explain your methods?

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Yes ,all my oldest palm grown from seeds are 5 years now.

 I plant on mounds only palms that don´t like excessive humidity. The water table is low here on this place.We don´t have a dry period of the year, so summer or winter are rainy. Only August is the driest month. Some years it doesn´t rain in this month.

 I  make a big hole and mix sand , more sandy soil, organic material etc to the soil and fill the hole again.

I have done this with Jubaea , Parajubaeas, Phoenix teophrastii,a Livistona decora(wrong lable! I thought it was a P.teophrastii)and Dypsis decipiens.

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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No matter where you are from in the world, boys will be boys. Anytime I am planting my 2 1/2 year old needs "Baby Shovel" to help dad plant.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

DoomsDave Grand Master

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I'm with Kris!

Picture No. 5 is the best.

Maybe add it to our list of classic pics?

Hmm.

Sounds like you're in a wet spot.  I wish we'd get rain all year like you do . . .

dave

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Alberto,

Thanks for the great pictures of your planting process and your helpers, also thanks for keeping us informed on what's happening in S. America. You and Guilano and Don are about our only sources of news in S. America.

You mention a Butia X Jubaea F2. Are you sure the F1 was not crossed with a Butia? The reason I ask is that my Butia X Jubaea proved to be self sterile, however it readily crossed with Butia. As I understand it an F2 may look like either of the parents, or it could carry on the characteristics of the F1. In other words the F2 could be quite veariable, while the F1's are fairly consistent in apperance.

Dick

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Thanks Dick!

This palm is one of the three (BxJ)xB that came from your tree! :)

They are 4 years and 11 months now! I´ll post pics of my 3 palms. I planted another 2 at my fathers farm in a neighbour county and other two are now in São Paulo at a palm nursery...

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Growth after one year!!! (Palms and childs :) )Leonard is very proud of his palm that he planted a year ago.

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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They're ALL beautiful Alberto! Good Work!!! :D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Alberto, thanks for the updated pic.... like the others had mentioned previously, those are some great pics of your children and your baby palms.... I don't know if you've thought of this but maybe you can start a palm-scrap book of your plantings showing dates of germination, planting and pics to go along with it. Someday someone might find that historic info and the pictures very useful... Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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Alberto,

Thanks for the updates on your palms and your kids. I hope my children will enjoy the trees I plant now in future years as well.

dk

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Kris Grand Master

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Alberto,

Thanks for the updates on your palms and your kids. I hope my children will enjoy the trees I plant now in future years as well.

dk

Well Said Don ! :)

love conquers all..

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freakypalmguy Grand Master

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Looking good Alberto

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Growth after one year!!! (Palms and childs :) )Leonard is very proud of his palm that he planted a year ago.

After another year......

I cannot compare to other Jubaeas around,so,how you think it is growing? Is this a normal speed? (Childs grow fast!:D Leonard is very proud of HIS palm!

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Gtlevine Grand Master

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Growth after one year!!! (Palms and childs :) )Leonard is very proud of his palm that he planted a year ago.

After another year......

I cannot compare to other Jubaeas around,so,how you think it is growing? Is this a normal speed? (Childs grow fast!:D Leonard is very proud of HIS palm!

Totally normal growth, they are slooooow. I have grown well over a hundred and I just water them and enjoy them at all ages because it would be frustrating otherwise.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

Rafael Grand Master

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I have two jubaeas, 1 mt tall (like the one is your first post), on deck, and prepared to be put in the ground.

I am only thinking about wich place to put them.

Maybe i should call my older daughter and my son, as they would tell me where.

Today they helped me to plant a livistona lanuginosa.

Furadouro and Ovar, zone 9b/10a.
PORTUGAL
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20668
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/31527-my-new-garden-ovar-january2012/

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Another wonderful update... the jub and children are growing well. Jv

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Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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nomolos

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Great growth thanks for the update

Sol Cooper

Hobart Tasmania

42 degrees South

Mild climate - mostly frost free

Alberto Grand Master

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I have two jubaeas, 1 mt tall (like the one is your first post), on deck, and prepared to be put in the ground.

I am only thinking about wich place to put them.

Maybe i should call my older daughter and my son, as they would tell me where.

Today they helped me to plant a livistona lanuginosa.

Thanks for the replies and anwers!!!

Yes,Rafael,it´s good to involve son and daughter. In future they can say:This palm I planted with my father....

They will love it and conserve it!

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I see he just rode his bike in for the photo.... I love it!!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

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Alberto,

It looks to me that your Jubaea is growing at a good rate, as fast as they can grow at that size. The more the trunk swells, the faster they grow.

Two of my Jubaeas have 3 bloom spathes emerging. This will give Patrick 6 to work with, and there may be more not showing yet. I expect he will be crossing with Syagrus, He has tried with Parajubaea before with no success, but I expect he will try again. I don't know what the other possibilities are, maybe Bujubaea?

Richard Douglas

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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I see he just rode his bike in for the photo.... I love it!!

:D :D :D:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Me too!

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Alberto,

It looks to me that your Jubaea is growing at a good rate, as fast as they can grow at that size. The more the trunk swells, the faster they grow.

Two of my Jubaeas have 3 bloom spathes emerging. This will give Patrick 6 to work with, and there may be more not showing yet. I expect he will be crossing with Syagrus, He has tried with Parajubaea before with no success, but I expect he will try again. I don't know what the other possibilities are, maybe Bujubaea?

Very interesting crosses!!!:drool:

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

DoomsDave Grand Master

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The kids and the jube are as lovely as ever.

They're slow at that size, but once they trunk (the jubes) they pick up a lot of speed.

But, it's going to be a while . . . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Growth after 2 years and 7 months after planted....my fastest growing Jubaea!!!! I tell Lydia and Leonard they must have green thumbs ,there is not other explanation....:D and they are very proud....

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Nigel Mentor

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Growth after 2 years and 7 months after planted....my fastest growing Jubaea!!!! I tell Lydia and Leonard they must have green thumbs ,there is not other explanation....:D and they are very proud....

Alberto, this Jubaea is growing very fast !!

Resident in Bristol UK.

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Inspired by Bill Sanfors (BS Man about Palms) showing is magnificent growing Jubaea.I decide to make a picture of my best Jubaea and how it grew in 9 and 1/2months.

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Christian_G Explorer

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Hi Alberto

Your Jubaea is really nice!

Once established, Jubaea chilensis can grow quite fast. In my experience, only seedlings growing in pots are slow. When planted in good soil, in a sunny spot, and sheltered from strong winds, Jubaea can considerably speed up its growth after a very few years. The 3 pictures below document the growth of a Jubaea growing in southern Switzerland. The first picture was taken in March 2003, the second during the last winter (2010/11), and the third picture shows the same Jubaea during the summer of 2011 (pictures 2 and 3 were taken by Gabriel, a very good friend of mine).

Picture 1: Spring 2003

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Picture 2: Winter 2010/11 (the tree on the right edge is the same as the tree on the left in picture 1)

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Picture 3: Summer 2011

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Alberto, I am sure that your Jubaea will grow very fast during you next summer :)!

Ciao,

Christian

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Thanks for the pics Christian!!!

How are the Butia eriospathas???

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

AJQ Proficient

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Looking good Alberto, how many fronds a year do you get?

Same Question for Christian too.

Regards Andy.

Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town

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iamjv

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Wow this is growing nicely.... must be perfect conditions for it! Thanks for the update!

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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