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Pretty Understory Palms

DoomsDave

By DoomsDave
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DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Howdyall:

I went a bit hyperactive today and did a lot of housecleaning, which opened up some space under some of my larger palms.

I already have chuniophoenix, laccospadix, lytocaryum, actinokentia (not really understory, but de facto for the next thirty years . . . ) rhapis, and Chamadorea ernest-aug, metallica, etc.

Anyone have any experience, for example, with some of the small Dypsis?  I'm open to anything that's small and looks good in So-Cal.

Thanks for your anticipated suggestions . . . .

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Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

Shon Mentor

Shon

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Dave I've had a couple of the small Dypsis do well for me the last couple years. One is Dypsis fasciculata and the other is Dypsis pink crownshaft.

San Marcos CA

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Arenga hookeriana is a sweet one.  And Paul's made it through the '07 freeze too.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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yeah but its in a pot under the eaves of the house.hoping to plant it soon!

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Have any of you guys thought of/tried Pinanga kuhlii/coronata ? You might be surprised what temps they take (under canopy), and just to water your palmy mouths, here's what delights they can bring.

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Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Oh, my god!

My mouth's foaming, fffth fffth, dang . . . . shooting foam all over my keyboard . . . .

That is pretty!

I'm a gonna git me one.  or two.  Or . . . .

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The Palm Nut Mentor

The Palm Nut

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As Wal mentioned, consider these, mine's many years old, produces seed and these seeds germinate without any extra help insitu in the garden. It does get some black spotting after winter but recovers pretty quickly.

Great palm in my view.

Mike

Port Macquarie NSW Australia

Warm temperate to subtropical

Record low of -2C at airport 2006

Pushing the limit of palm survivabilities

palmazon Mentor

palmazon

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don't forget Chamaedorea adscendens

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heck, I'll even include the toilet

I get by with a little help from my fronds

Neofolis Veteran

Neofolis

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I'm going to be really boring and suggest Chamaedorea cataractarum.  No mottled foliage, no new leaf colour, but a nice, dense clump is truely beautiful and I'd imagine fairly bullet proof in your climate.

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Corey Lucas-Divers

Dorset, UK

Ave Jul High 72F/22C (91F/33C Max)

Ave Jul Low 52F/11C (45F/7C Min)

Ave Jan High 46F/8C (59F/15C Max)

Ave Jan Low 34F/1C (21F/-6C Min)

Ave Rain 736mm pa

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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pinanga coronata is a beautiful palm but once you move inland from the coast in socal its a "tuff grow".you really have to get lucky with a good microclimate(which counts me out)! i've been trying to convince palmgrover to get one lately--if he saw wal's pix i bet he'd succumb...where are you palmgrover???

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Two that are not mentioned are Chamaedorea radicalis and microspadix. They are very cold hardy and bullet proof. They also hold bright red/orange fruit that will color up your palm garden, (if you have both sexes). You will never have to worry about cold damage to these two palms, and they are drought tollerent once established.

Dick

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Richard Douglas

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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(PalmGuyWC @ Apr. 08 2008,07:29)

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Two that are not mentioned are Chamaedorea radicalis and microspadix. They are very cold hardy and bullet proof. They also hold bright red/orange fruit that will color up your palm garden, (if you have both sexes). You will never have to worry about cold damage to these two palms, and they are drought tollerent once established.

Dick

I've got both already.

Rads up the wazoo, and micros are a bit too big for what I have in mind . . .

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DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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(Neofolis @ Apr. 08 2008,01:25)

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I'm going to be really boring and suggest Chamaedorea cataractarum.  No mottled foliage, no new leaf colour, but a nice, dense clump is truely beautiful and I'd imagine fairly bullet proof in your climate.

I love those so much I have four already . . . .  and about a dozen more in pots I'm trying to find homes for.

But . . . .

Agreed!

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paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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how about some nice reinhardtia species like in louis hoopers courtyard? i have one in the ground but its struggling,u may have better luck...

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

happ Grand Master

happ

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Dave,

You might want to consider howea if you have the room.

Los Angeles/Pasadena

34° 10' N   118° 18' W

Elevation: 910'/278m

January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F

July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F

Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm

USDA 11/Sunset 23

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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Dave, I just planted Dypsis Florencii, the entire leaf form. I saw some nice ones in the ground at Doc Darians last week that have been growing nicely for quite some time. It is a beautiful little palm that gets a nice red crownshaft and is a stunning plant in groups of five or more. Maybe Bo could show us his group, he has to have one.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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(happ @ Apr. 08 2008,18:13)

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Dave,

You might want to consider howea if you have the room.

I have, I do, and I did.

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DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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(Gtlevine @ Apr. 08 2008,22:13)

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Dave, I just planted Dypsis Florencii, the entire leaf form. I saw some nice ones in the ground at Doc Darians last week that have been growing nicely for quite some time. It is a beautiful little palm that gets a nice red crownshaft and is a stunning plant in groups of five or more. Maybe Bo could show us his group, he has to have one.

Gary

THAT's the kind of thought I was seeking!

Bo, please show.

I have what JD Andersen had labeled as a florencei, but I don't think that's what it is, though it's a multi trunker . . . . maybe mislabeled?

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Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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What about Linospadix monostachya, and Dypsis fibrosa with a nice red new leaf.

regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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(Tyrone @ Apr. 09 2008,15:19)

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What about Linospadix monostachya, and Dypsis fibrosa with a nice red new leaf.

regards

Tyrone

Yes Tyronne and Dave (I had a feeling you wouldn't accept anything but Dypsis as an answer Dave), Dypsis fibrosa, I saw one at Daryl's place I think, bloody terrific palm, just the ticket, I've been meaning to obtain one myself. Cool hardy too from memory.

Why not get both florenceii and fibrosa, two great f'in Dypsis palms to be sure.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Randy Community Regular

Randy

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Dave,

OK, what about a fairly young dypsis cabadae? They are slow growers and real showy...

There's a number of them here in Phoenix at a resort planted along a canopy protected walk and they are very elegant and petite - might be good to break up some of the understory with some lower but virtical interest as well?

watchathink?

Randy

Chandler, Arizona

USDA Hardiness Zone 9b(Warming to 10a)

Lowest Temps (usually) in the upper 20's

(Freeze of '07 lowest temp was 18dF)

Highest temps (usually) in the triple digit teens

Neofolis Veteran

Neofolis

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Is Iguanura wallichiana any good for your climate, both forms are stunning.  Alternatively the smaller species of Calytrocalyx and Geonoma, are very ornamental.  What about Asterogyne martiana or Calyptrogyne gheisbreghtiana, maybe OK with some canopy if you can get enough water to them.

I'd definitely agree with Dypsis florencei.  I had no luck with them, but Bo's are really colourful and Jeff Marcus had a couple of nice looking examples at the Fairchild sale at the weekend, which I think I took photo's of, so I may be able to post those eventually, once all my photo's are labelled, etc.

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Corey Lucas-Divers

Dorset, UK

Ave Jul High 72F/22C (91F/33C Max)

Ave Jul Low 52F/11C (45F/7C Min)

Ave Jan High 46F/8C (59F/15C Max)

Ave Jan Low 34F/1C (21F/-6C Min)

Ave Rain 736mm pa

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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(Wal @ Apr. 09 2008,00:31)

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(Tyrone @ Apr. 09 2008,15:19)

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What about Linospadix monostachya, and Dypsis fibrosa with a nice red new leaf.

regards

Tyrone

Yes Tyronne and Dave (I had a feeling you wouldn't accept anything but Dypsis as an answer Dave), Dypsis fibrosa, I saw one at Daryl's place I think, bloody terrific palm, just the ticket, I've been meaning to obtain one myself. Cool hardy too from memory.

Why not get both florenceii and fibrosa, two great f'in Dypsis palms to be sure.

I have lots of space -- under my canopy as well as between my ears -- so, I'll bank the brain-fire, compromise and try everything everyone's suggested so far, if I can find them . . . .

:laugh:

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Dypsis fibrosa is also called on RPS the "Mountain Vonitra". Vonitra is what this group used to be called before they were moved to Dypsis in 1995. It grows to about 800m-1000m in habitat in Madagascar, and is smaller than D crinita and D utilis. It does have some cool tolerance but I doubt any frost tolerance. That shouldn't be a problem under canopy in your area would it? I'm growing D crinita( a lowland species) which is more tropical under canopy here, and that puts out spears in winter. It's also a great joy to see a new leaf opening in the reddish colouring you often only see in Chambeyronia's.

I hope you can find some.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Neofolis Veteran

Neofolis

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I, of course, meant Jeff Searle in my previous post, not Jeff Marcus.  Fairchild would have been a long trip for Jeff Marcus to sell a few palms.

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Corey Lucas-Divers

Dorset, UK

Ave Jul High 72F/22C (91F/33C Max)

Ave Jul Low 52F/11C (45F/7C Min)

Ave Jan High 46F/8C (59F/15C Max)

Ave Jan Low 34F/1C (21F/-6C Min)

Ave Rain 736mm pa

aussiearoids Grand Master

aussiearoids

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Calyptrocalyx micholitzii .. has some cold tolerance and looks way cool if you can get the mottled form .

There would be several other calyprocalyx spp. worth trying Dave ..

Mikey is back and might be back posting soon , he would be best for suggestions ..

Michael in palm paradise,

Tully, wet tropics in Australia, over 4 meters of rain every year.

Home of the Golden Gumboot, its over 8m high , our record annual rainfall.

BobSDCA Enthusiast

BobSDCA

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(Neofolis @ Apr. 09 2008,01:22)

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Is Iguanura wallichiana any good for your climate, both forms are stunning.  Alternatively the smaller species of Calytrocalyx and Geonoma, are very ornamental.  What about Asterogyne martiana or Calyptrogyne gheisbreghtiana, maybe OK with some canopy if you can get enough water to them.

Iguanura, Calyptrocalyx , and Calyptrogyne are great palms, and I have tried many times to grow them outdoors.  The Iguanura lasted about a year and just gave up!  I have tried several Calyptrocalyx and though they survive the dry summers - they end up dying by February.  I have several Calyptrogyne seedlings.  Now one gallon pots - they don't seem to like winter and have also died in February.  These may do much better in pots under covered areas than in the ground here in California!  I haven't tried any Geonoma's, but would like to!

I have been attempting to grow some nice understory palms in my garden.  The ones that have done well for me include:

Basselinia gracilis

Calamus caryotoides

Dipsis "Pink Crownshaft" - I know it has been mentioned - but it is a great one!

Johannesteijsmannia altifrons - slow as a tortoise, but my seedling has two leaves!

Kerriodoxa elegans

Licuala glabra

Pinanga gracilis

Ravenea hildebrandtii

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BobSDCA

San Diego

Sunset Zone 23, 10a

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Palmgrover

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wow!!!!!    ok!!!!   pohonkelapa i get it now,  between you and wal's pixs  of his Pinanga coronata...

i love it  

i want one  

i need one.

and so it shall be...

more palms, less bombs!

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