Tabebuia

[Gbarce]

I don't have a picture of the flower but it is a bright golden yellow, frilly a bit and the bell is not open--its actually clamped up tight.

I only have shots of the other parts-- can anyone out there give a positice ID on the specific species?

This is the leaf formation.  Typically has 5  - with the center one as the biggest the and ones on the sides smaller

[Gbarce]

Here's the seed pod forming

[Gbarce]

Back of the leaf.

The leaves have a quasi-fuzz of little brown hairs

[Gbarce]

The trunk/branch

[amazondk]

Gene it could be the Tabebuia chrysantha I think they have fuzzy leaves.  Most tabebuias are called ipe in Brazil.  Most of them have extremely good wood and the tree is currently one of the expensive lumber types in the world.

dk

[ariscott]

One of my favourite trees... very tough and grows very well for me. Unfortunately, I onlyl have 3 and 1 seedling coming. Hard to get different variety here..

I have T. palmeri & T. argentea in the photo.... Unfortunately no flowers this time of the year.

Regards, Ari

[LJG]

Well, just to let you know they changed all this. Most yellow Tabs are now Handroanthus. So it is Handroanthus chrysanthus. To make it even more difficult, some that flower other then yellow are in here too like Handroanthus impetiginosus.

And most peoples favoroite in flower in HI Tabebuia donnell-smithii is now Roseodendron donnell-smithii.

[ariscott]

Too hard to keep up, Len... I am bad enough as it is. They are all still tabebuia for me :)

Regards, Ari

[Gbarce]

Here is a shot of a young seedling.

So is it confirmed that the species is Chrysanthus? - whatever the  Genus is now called

How big does this get?

Any suggestions of a website where I can read up on this tree?

[ariscott]

Maximum of 15m.. but I doubt that it will get higher than 10m. So, a small tree. Are you getting into trees now?? It is a different world all together. Trust me, I am the tree lady!!!

Regards, Ari

[amazondk]

Ari,

I am not sure about the size but I have seen logs that were 1 meter in diameter and came from a tree probably 30 to 40 meters tall.  I even took a leaf from one of the logs.  I am pretty sure that it was this tree due to the leaves I found.  It may have been a cousin though.  

dk

[ariscott]

They don't usually get that big in cultivation, Don. Besides that tree probably grow in the rainforest environment and probably 'a few' years old.

Regards, Ari

[amazondk]

(Gbarce @ Apr. 13 2008,09:46)

QUOTE

Here is a shot of a young seedling.

So is it confirmed that the species is Chrysanthus? - whatever the  Genus is now called

How big does this get?

Any suggestions of a website where I can read up on this tree?

Gene,

Those leaves look a lot like the Tabebuia Serratiafolia.  You can notice the serrate edges on the leaves.

dk

[Jerry@TreeZoo]

Well, just to let you know they changed all this. Most yellow Tabs are now Handroanthus. So it is Handroanthus chrysanthus. To make it even more difficult, some that flower other then yellow are in here too like Handroanthus impetiginosus.

And most peoples favoroite in flower in HI Tabebuia donnell-smithii is now Roseodendron donnell-smithii.

These damned taxonomists keep changing the names of things.  I'm a lumper not a splitter so I see no point in constantly dividing a genus up into innumerable smaller groups.  From where I sit, it looks like they are trying to justify their tenure status.  Enough already!

Okay, off my soapbox now.

Geraldo

[Eric in Orlando]

Quite a few have changed and several are common ones in FL; T. chrysotricha, heptaphylla, impetiginosa, and umbellata. I wonder how long it takes before the new names trickle out into the trade? For a full list from GRIN;

http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_search.pl

Tabebuia alba (Cham.) Sandwith (=Handroanthus albus (Cham.) Mattos)

Tabebuia argentea (Bureau & K. Schum.) Britton (=Tabebuia aurea (Silva Manso) Benth. & Hook. f. ex S. Moore)

Tabebuia aurea (Silva Manso) Benth. & Hook. f. ex S. Moore

Tabebuia avellanedae Lorentz ex Griseb. (=Handroanthus impetiginosus (Mart. ex DC.) Mattos)

Tabebuia avellanedae var. paulensis Toledo (=Handroanthus heptaphyllus (Vell.) Mattos)

Tabebuia bahamensis (Northr.) Britton

Tabebuia berteroi (DC.) Britton

Tabebuia billbergii (Bureau & K. Schum.) Standl. (=Handroanthus billbergii subsp. billbergii)

Tabebuia billbergii subsp. ampla A. H. Gentry (=Handroanthus billbergii subsp. ampla (A. H. Gentry) S. Grose)

Tabebuia capitata (Bureau & K. Schum.) Sandwith (=Handroanthus capitatus (Bureau & K. Schum.) Mattos)

Tabebuia caraiba (Mart.) Bureau (=Tabebuia aurea (Silva Manso) Benth. & Hook. f. ex S. Moore)

Tabebuia cassinoides (Lam.) DC.

Tabebuia chrysantha (Jacq.) G. Nicholson (=Handroanthus chrysanthus subsp. chrysanthus)

Tabebuia chrysantha subsp. meridionalis A. H. Gentry (=Handroanthus chrysanthus subsp. meridionalis (A. H. Gentry) S. Grose)

Tabebuia chrysantha subsp. pluvicola A. H. Gentry (=Handroanthus chrysanthus subsp. pluvicola (A. H. Gentry) S. Grose)

Tabebuia chrysea S. F. Blake (=Roseodendron chryseum (S. F. Blake) Miranda)

Tabebuia chrysotricha (Mart. ex DC.) Standl. (=Handroanthus chrysotrichus (Mart. ex DC.) Mattos)

Tabebuia donnell-smithii Rose (=Roseodendron donnell-smithii (Rose) Miranda)

Tabebuia ecuadorensis Standl. (=Handroanthus billbergii subsp. ampla (A. H. Gentry) S. Grose)

Tabebuia glomerata Urb. (=Handroanthus capitatus (Bureau & K. Schum.) Mattos)

Tabebuia guayacan (Seem.) Hemsl. (=Handroanthus guayacan (Seem.) S. Grose)

Tabebuia haemantha (Bertero ex Spreng.) DC.

Tabebuia heptaphylla (Vell.) Toledo (=Handroanthus heptaphyllus (Vell.) Mattos)

Tabebuia heterophylla (DC.) Britton

Tabebuia hybr.

Tabebuia impetiginosa (Mart. ex DC.) Standl. (=Handroanthus impetiginosus (Mart. ex DC.) Mattos)

Tabebuia ipe (Mart. ex K. Schum.) Standl. (=Handroanthus heptaphyllus (Vell.) Mattos)

Tabebuia japurensis A. DC. (=Arrabidaea japurensis (A. DC.) Bureau & K. Schum.)

Tabebuia lapacho (K. Schum.) Sandwith (=Handroanthus lapacho (K. Schum.) S. Grose)

Tabebuia lepidota (Kunth) Britton

Tabebuia leucoxyla DC. (=Tabebuia obtusifolia (Cham.) Bureau)

Tabebuia neochrysantha A. H. Gentry (=Handroanthus ochraceus subsp. neochrysanthus (A. H. Gentry) S. Grose)

Tabebuia obtusifolia (Cham.) Bureau

Tabebuia ochracea (Cham.) Standl. (=Handroanthus ochraceus subsp. ochraceus)

Tabebuia ochracea subsp. heterotricha (DC.) A. H. Gentry (=Handroanthus ochraceus subsp. heterotrichus (DC.) S. Grose)

Tabebuia ochracea subsp. neochrysantha (A. H. Gentry) A. H. Gentry (=Handroanthus ochraceus subsp. neochrysanthus (A. H. Gentry) S. Grose)

Tabebuia pallida (Lindl.) Miers

Tabebuia palmeri Rose (=Handroanthus impetiginosus (Mart. ex DC.) Mattos)

Tabebuia pentaphylla Hemsl. (=Tabebuia heterophylla (DC.) Britton)

Tabebuia pentaphylla auct. (=Tabebuia rosea (Bertol.) DC.)

Tabebuia riparia (Raf.) Sandwith (=Tabebuia heterophylla (DC.) Britton)

Tabebuia rosea (Bertol.) DC.

Tabebuia rufescens J. R. Johnst. (=Handroanthus chrysanthus subsp. chrysanthus)

Tabebuia sauvallei Britton

Tabebuia serratifolia (Vahl) G. Nicholson (=Handroanthus serratifolius (Vahl) S. Grose)

Tabebuia spp.

Tabebuia spectabilis (Planch. & Linden) G. Nicholson (=Handroanthus chrysanthus subsp. meridionalis (A. H. Gentry) S. Grose)

Tabebuia triphylla DC. (=Tabebuia heterophylla (DC.) Britton)

[amazondk]

Gene,

I think you have two Tabebuia species.  The one in later post with serrate leaves I think is the T. serratiafolia.  Which I blieve is the one in the picture below.   I posted this picture a long time ago.  But, it still remains the best picture I have of the tree.  They are all called ipe here in Brazil.  I think that the T. chrysantha really is a smaller tree like Ari states.  They are used a lot in Sao Paulo for  street Landscaping.  Ipe lumber is probably the best in the world for outdoor aplications like decking.

A baby growing in the forest.  They grow quite quickly once they get enough light.

The guy with the shot gun cut this big ipe tree down and had mostly chopped it up with a chain saw into cants that were later resawn into boards.  You can get an idea of the size of the tree by the clearing it created when it came crashing down.

This tree was close to the other one.  It was more than 1.25 meters in diameter and had about 30 meters of free trunk before it started to branch out.  I took these pictures a few years ago when I was looking for forest management land for an American investor.  The project never materialized.  But, I did get to get out in some great forest.  The older guy is the president of the local community association of Mucaja (the common name for Acrocomia palms) which there are a lot of.

[Gbarce]

Don- wow that's impressive. My friend is pretty sure these are the same plants becuase the seedsling in the last shot came from seeds of the plant I showed in the first series of pictures. He says that seedlings started with the serrated leaves and eventually produce the non serrated leaves.

I finally got pictures of the flowers. Meybe these can help give a positive ID.

The "bell" of the flower is not open and is actually shut quite tight. I wonder what insect pollinates these flowers?

The petals are also quite ruffled.

[Gbarce]

close up of those closed bells. I think should narrow down the choices becuase most Tabebuia flowers are round wide open.

Side view of the flower. Its actually pretty flattened too.

[fastfeat]

Gene--

It looks similar to T. chrysotricha and T. umbellata (small, thin twigs, leaf shape), so T. chrysantha (which is closely related to those two species) is a good guess. Unfortunately, I can't say I have any firsthand observations of it (or T. serratifolia) to say conclusively. Good luck.