Dypsis decipiens

[Kathryn]

Mine doesn't have any yellow coloring any more. Unfortunately it doesn't have any green either.

[bgl]

Wow, Kathryn - doesn't look like a happy palm!?

[Kailua_Krish]

Hope yours pulls through Kathryn Even sandwiched between the pool and a pond mine's spear is all brown and most of the leaves had tip burn. Wretched, wretched winter

-Krishna

[Gallop]

Mine doesn't look much better than your's Kathryn...

Edited March 5, 2010 by Gallop

[Rafael]

Well, thank you all, your advisements concerning ground puting were precious....

[JEFF IN MODESTO]

Come on guys and girls... show us your us your bigens.

Here is my 6 year old dyppy Decipiens.... just about ready to trunk... at about 10ft total height.

In my opinion.... d. decipiens is gonna be a Central Cal favorite.

This one took our 25f cold this winter without damage ( my simular size p. Cocoides was 80% burnt )

Jeff

Modesto, Ca

Edited March 6, 2010 by Jeff in Modesto

[Gtlevine]

Here is a pic of mine from last November.

[Tyrone]

I. Krishna, could you be a little more specific?

II. I am uploading a photo of a 50 cm dypsis decipiens. The one i am expecting to arrive has 80 cm...

I have grown alot of decipiens but I have never seen one with the yellow colouring of the one in your photo. It looks very interesting!!

When i receive mine i will upload here a pic, next wednesday!

But for now, what about some help concerning to ground puting method?

Rafael, that's a really nice D decipiens you have coming to you. It looks like it really wants to go into the ground. OK, what are your temps like in winter, and what are you summer temps max/min? How much rainfall do you get and when? What is your soil, clay, loam, sand, rock?

Basically D decipiens as mentioned in this thread is a fullsun palm. They will handle a fullsun aspect for me where we get many days into the 40's C without burning, with very strong UV in summer. Also they'll handle moderate to severe frost, somewhere in the low twenties F. I don't know about snow but probably. My area never goes below 0C so I can't say from personal experience.

Excellent drainage is essential especially if you get cold and wet. We have sand here so we have no problem growing this species. However they seem to grow on the side of hills in the little gullies and tributaries formed by the summer rains in Madagascar. In winter in highland Madagascar the temps are around 10C min to 20C max with 100% humidity in the morning and fog, but very little actual rain. I'd imagine that in the little gullies that they grow in the rocks would trap moisture and that in some instances the dew may produce some soil moisture in the ground, but that's just my hypothesis, I've never been there, but I wish to one day.

If you're on clay, I'd plant it in sand and try and dig a channel in the clay cup you make to a lower area and fill the channel with sand. If you're on loam plant it in 50% sand/loam mix and the same if you're on a gravelly loam. This species loves summer water. I give mine water every day in summer and they thrive, but they're all in fullsun. If you want to speed them up give them regular applications of NPK and trace elements during the warmer season and with regular watering watch them take off. Being a deep rooted species they may sort of sit there doing very little above ground when first planted. They're just preparing for the growth of tomorrow by putting down the root system. Eventually they start to pick up speed.

All the best.

Tyrone

[Tyrone]

I'd love to cross a decipiens with leptocheilos. Imagine a furry clumping giant redneck with great cold tolerance.

GO FOR IT!

Since I made that post I planted my double trunked decipiens within a few metres of 3 rednecks. One of them is one of those "big red" bulky versions that had a heel to begin with. It's a few years away yet before decipiens flowers but it could get interesting. I have a couple of cabadaes, a saintelucei, a fibrosa, pink crownshafts, fasciculata's and a pinnatifrons in the mix too, so it could get freaky.

Best regards

Tyrone

[Rafael]

I. Krishna, could you be a little more specific?

II. I am uploading a photo of a 50 cm dypsis decipiens. The one i am expecting to arrive has 80 cm...

I have grown alot of decipiens but I have never seen one with the yellow colouring of the one in your photo. It looks very interesting!!

When i receive mine i will upload here a pic, next wednesday!

But for now, what about some help concerning to ground puting method?

Rafael, that's a really nice D decipiens you have coming to you. It looks like it really wants to go into the ground. OK, what are your temps like in winter, and what are you summer temps max/min? How much rainfall do you get and when? What is your soil, clay, loam, sand, rock?

Basically D decipiens as mentioned in this thread is a fullsun palm. They will handle a fullsun aspect for me where we get many days into the 40's C without burning, with very strong UV in summer. Also they'll handle moderate to severe frost, somewhere in the low twenties F. I don't know about snow but probably. My area never goes below 0C so I can't say from personal experience.

Excellent drainage is essential especially if you get cold and wet. We have sand here so we have no problem growing this species. However they seem to grow on the side of hills in the little gullies and tributaries formed by the summer rains in Madagascar. In winter in highland Madagascar the temps are around 10C min to 20C max with 100% humidity in the morning and fog, but very little actual rain. I'd imagine that in the little gullies that they grow in the rocks would trap moisture and that in some instances the dew may produce some soil moisture in the ground, but that's just my hypothesis, I've never been there, but I wish to one day.

If you're on clay, I'd plant it in sand and try and dig a channel in the clay cup you make to a lower area and fill the channel with sand. If you're on loam plant it in 50% sand/loam mix and the same if you're on a gravelly loam. This species loves summer water. I give mine water every day in summer and they thrive, but they're all in fullsun. If you want to speed them up give them regular applications of NPK and trace elements during the warmer season and with regular watering watch them take off. Being a deep rooted species they may sort of sit there doing very little above ground when first planted. They're just preparing for the growth of tomorrow by putting down the root system. Eventually they start to pick up speed.

All the best.

Tyrone

Tyrone, thank you so much!

Concerning climate here, we have minimum -3ºC and maximum 30ºC. We also have 2/3 nights with heavy frost (not on the east side, where i will put it), and 4/5 with light frost.

My soil is almost totaly sand, just with 8 cm, above, of common moiture.

Here usualy rains a lot in winter, and sometimes in spring, rarely in summer...

I am thinking about puting it immediately on the ground, but would you advise one year potted, outside?

[Urban Rainforest]

Here is a pic of mine from last November.

Gary, Your Decipiens ROCKS !

Stevo

[JEFF IN MODESTO]

Here is a pic of mine from last November.

Gary, Your Decipiens ROCKS !

Stevo

Yes... Gary ... Very nice.... How old is your D. Decipiens?

Jeff

[Tyrone]

I. Krishna, could you be a little more specific?

II. I am uploading a photo of a 50 cm dypsis decipiens. The one i am expecting to arrive has 80 cm...

I have grown alot of decipiens but I have never seen one with the yellow colouring of the one in your photo. It looks very interesting!!

When i receive mine i will upload here a pic, next wednesday!

But for now, what about some help concerning to ground puting method?

Rafael, that's a really nice D decipiens you have coming to you. It looks like it really wants to go into the ground. OK, what are your temps like in winter, and what are you summer temps max/min? How much rainfall do you get and when? What is your soil, clay, loam, sand, rock?

Basically D decipiens as mentioned in this thread is a fullsun palm. They will handle a fullsun aspect for me where we get many days into the 40's C without burning, with very strong UV in summer. Also they'll handle moderate to severe frost, somewhere in the low twenties F. I don't know about snow but probably. My area never goes below 0C so I can't say from personal experience.

Excellent drainage is essential especially if you get cold and wet. We have sand here so we have no problem growing this species. However they seem to grow on the side of hills in the little gullies and tributaries formed by the summer rains in Madagascar. In winter in highland Madagascar the temps are around 10C min to 20C max with 100% humidity in the morning and fog, but very little actual rain. I'd imagine that in the little gullies that they grow in the rocks would trap moisture and that in some instances the dew may produce some soil moisture in the ground, but that's just my hypothesis, I've never been there, but I wish to one day.

If you're on clay, I'd plant it in sand and try and dig a channel in the clay cup you make to a lower area and fill the channel with sand. If you're on loam plant it in 50% sand/loam mix and the same if you're on a gravelly loam. This species loves summer water. I give mine water every day in summer and they thrive, but they're all in fullsun. If you want to speed them up give them regular applications of NPK and trace elements during the warmer season and with regular watering watch them take off. Being a deep rooted species they may sort of sit there doing very little above ground when first planted. They're just preparing for the growth of tomorrow by putting down the root system. Eventually they start to pick up speed.

All the best.

Tyrone

Tyrone, thank you so much!

Concerning climate here, we have minimum -3ºC and maximum 30ºC. We also have 2/3 nights with heavy frost (not on the east side, where i will put it), and 4/5 with light frost.

My soil is almost totaly sand, just with 8 cm, above, of common moiture.

Here usualy rains a lot in winter, and sometimes in spring, rarely in summer...

I am thinking about puting it immediately on the ground, but would you advise one year potted, outside?

I'd put in the ground as soon as the frost threat has passed. Make sure to put it in fullsun and water it well when it gets hot ie above 25C until it establishes. I doubt you'll have any problems unless it gets too cold and wet in winter. Maybe a fungicide treatment before winter comes in will help with any crown rot issues while it's settling in for the first couple of years. These do love warm sunny weather, so maybe a few rocks around it will act as a heatsink during colder weather and extend your growing season. That's just my ideas anyway.

All the best.

Tyrone

[JEFF IN MODESTO]

I. Krishna, could you be a little more specific?

II. I am uploading a photo of a 50 cm dypsis decipiens. The one i am expecting to arrive has 80 cm...

I have grown alot of decipiens but I have never seen one with the yellow colouring of the one in your photo. It looks very interesting!!

When i receive mine i will upload here a pic, next wednesday!

But for now, what about some help concerning to ground puting method?

Rafael, that's a really nice D decipiens you have coming to you. It looks like it really wants to go into the ground. OK, what are your temps like in winter, and what are you summer temps max/min? How much rainfall do you get and when? What is your soil, clay, loam, sand, rock?

Basically D decipiens as mentioned in this thread is a fullsun palm. They will handle a fullsun aspect for me where we get many days into the 40's C without burning, with very strong UV in summer. Also they'll handle moderate to severe frost, somewhere in the low twenties F. I don't know about snow but probably. My area never goes below 0C so I can't say from personal experience.

Excellent drainage is essential especially if you get cold and wet. We have sand here so we have no problem growing this species. However they seem to grow on the side of hills in the little gullies and tributaries formed by the summer rains in Madagascar. In winter in highland Madagascar the temps are around 10C min to 20C max with 100% humidity in the morning and fog, but very little actual rain. I'd imagine that in the little gullies that they grow in the rocks would trap moisture and that in some instances the dew may produce some soil moisture in the ground, but that's just my hypothesis, I've never been there, but I wish to one day.

If you're on clay, I'd plant it in sand and try and dig a channel in the clay cup you make to a lower area and fill the channel with sand. If you're on loam plant it in 50% sand/loam mix and the same if you're on a gravelly loam. This species loves summer water. I give mine water every day in summer and they thrive, but they're all in fullsun. If you want to speed them up give them regular applications of NPK and trace elements during the warmer season and with regular watering watch them take off. Being a deep rooted species they may sort of sit there doing very little above ground when first planted. They're just preparing for the growth of tomorrow by putting down the root system. Eventually they start to pick up speed.

All the best.

Tyrone

Tyrone, thank you so much!

Concerning climate here, we have minimum -3ºC and maximum 30ºC. We also have 2/3 nights with heavy frost (not on the east side, where i will put it), and 4/5 with light frost.

My soil is almost totaly sand, just with 8 cm, above, of common moiture.

Here usualy rains a lot in winter, and sometimes in spring, rarely in summer...

I am thinking about puting it immediately on the ground, but would you advise one year potted, outside?

I'd put in the ground as soon as the frost threat has passed. Make sure to put it in fullsun and water it well when it gets hot ie above 25C until it establishes. I doubt you'll have any problems unless it gets too cold and wet in winter. Maybe a fungicide treatment before winter comes in will help with any crown rot issues while it's settling in for the first couple of years. These do love warm sunny weather, so maybe a few rocks around it will act as a heatsink during colder weather and extend your growing season. That's just my ideas anyway.

All the best.

Tyrone

My advice on Decipiens...

Well drained soil... thats it!

Since my D. Deciepens has been in ground... We have had cold.... down to 23f... Hot.... full sun and up to 113f, dewpoints around 70f and below zero f!

Nothing seems to bother this palm.

Though... it does seem to grow faster in the shade and dry hot conditions.

Jeff

Jeff

[malcthomas]

My oldest D.decipiens is a very robust palm and does not compare with the dainty ones that have been posted on this board over the years...it has not started to trunk and would have to be twice the size of Gary Levine's...it is over 4 meters from the new spear tip to the ground...my size 10 is in the attachment for scale...

cheers..

[Tyrone]

I can't see the picture .

[Tyrone]

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[malcthomas]

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Tyrone,,

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Edited March 7, 2010 by malcthomas

[malcthomas]

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Tyrone,,

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[Rafael]

Tyrone: thanks, i will consider your advisements. But what kind of fungicide are you talking about? A common one?

Jeff: thanks, also. You have a living proof of that , yours looks amazing. Just keep us updated about its looking, ok?

Later i will upload photos of my arriving dypsis decipiens, already on the ground.

Edited March 7, 2010 by rafael

[ghar41]

Come on guys and girls... show us your us your bigens.

Here is my 6 year old dyppy Decipiens.... just about ready to trunk... at about 10ft total height.

In my opinion.... d. decipiens is gonna be a Central Cal favorite.

This one took our 25f cold this winter without damage ( my simular size p. Cocoides was 80% burnt )

Jeff

Modesto, Ca

Jeff,

Your Dyppy is amazing! I wish you would have taken a picture from the front...this palm is standing straight up, and is currently quite symmetrical, esp. for a decipiens. This plant is near my place, sometimes we'll walk by just to soak it in.

How about it Jeff, a few more pics?

[gyuseppe]

the germination of dypisis decipiens and very easy.

[Tyrone]

Tyrone: thanks, i will consider your advisements. But what kind of fungicide are you talking about? A common one?

Jeff: thanks, also. You have a living proof of that , yours looks amazing. Just keep us updated about its looking, ok?

Later i will upload photos of my arriving dypsis decipiens, already on the ground.

Any of the common fungicides ie Copper oxychloride, Mancozeb. Nothing special. It may not be necessary but if you get cold and wet and it stops growing during winter it may become susceptible to rot.

Best regards

Tyrone

[JEFF IN MODESTO]

Come on guys and girls... show us your us your bigens.

Here is my 6 year old dyppy Decipiens.... just about ready to trunk... at about 10ft total height.

In my opinion.... d. decipiens is gonna be a Central Cal favorite.

This one took our 25f cold this winter without damage ( my simular size p. Cocoides was 80% burnt )

Jeff

Modesto, Ca

Jeff,

Your Dyppy is amazing! I wish you would have taken a picture from the front...this palm is standing straight up, and is currently quite symmetrical, esp. for a decipiens. This plant is near my place, sometimes we'll walk by just to soak it in.

How about it Jeff, a few more pics?

Glenn, Ask and you shall recieve.... Im using my iphone cam... which takes...just ok photos.

Here is a pic nearly from the front from today.

Jeff

[ghar41]

Come on guys and girls... show us your us your bigens.

Here is my 6 year old dyppy Decipiens.... just about ready to trunk... at about 10ft total height.

In my opinion.... d. decipiens is gonna be a Central Cal favorite.

This one took our 25f cold this winter without damage ( my simular size p. Cocoides was 80% burnt )

Jeff

Modesto, Ca

Jeff,

Your Dyppy is amazing! I wish you would have taken a picture from the front...this palm is standing straight up, and is currently quite symmetrical, esp. for a decipiens. This plant is near my place, sometimes we'll walk by just to soak it in.

How about it Jeff, a few more pics?

Glenn, Ask and you shall recieve.... Im using my iphone cam... which takes...just ok photos.

Here is a pic nearly from the front from today.

Jeff

Yeah!!! And for mid March it shows less cold damage than similarly planted Queen Palms!

[JEFF IN MODESTO]

Too be honest... I don't think it has any damage.

During the heat of the summer... when I fert other plants.... this palm.... mayyy get a little leaf tip burn , but I have seen no winter damage.

Glenn... How did your palms fare this winter? I've been meaning to drop by.

( Btw Glenn, did you notice my fall planted triple c. plumosa's near my back gate.... Zero damage!)

Jeff

Edited March 8, 2010 by Jeff in Modesto

[Tyrone]

Come on guys and girls... show us your us your bigens.

Here is my 6 year old dyppy Decipiens.... just about ready to trunk... at about 10ft total height.

In my opinion.... d. decipiens is gonna be a Central Cal favorite.

This one took our 25f cold this winter without damage ( my simular size p. Cocoides was 80% burnt )

Jeff

Modesto, Ca

Jeff,

Your Dyppy is amazing! I wish you would have taken a picture from the front...this palm is standing straight up, and is currently quite symmetrical, esp. for a decipiens. This plant is near my place, sometimes we'll walk by just to soak it in.

How about it Jeff, a few more pics?

Glenn, Ask and you shall recieve.... Im using my iphone cam... which takes...just ok photos.

Here is a pic nearly from the front from today.

Jeff

That's an awesome looking decipy.

Best regards

Tyrone

[malcthomas]

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Woohoo. Malcolm, either you're a midget from little elf and leprechaun land, or that things HUUUGGEEE. Can't wait until that clear trunks. Stand back and feel the rumble.

Best regards

Tyrone

[malcthomas]

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Woohoo. Malcolm, either you're a midget from little elf and leprechaun land, or that things HUUUGGEEE. Can't wait until that clear trunks. Stand back and feel the rumble.

Best regards

Tyrone

[malcthomas]

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Woohoo. Malcolm, either you're a midget from little elf and leprechaun land, or that things HUUUGGEEE. Can't wait until that clear trunks. Stand back and feel the rumble.

Best regards

Tyrone

[malcthomas]

Tyrone..

No, I'm no midget...it's a very large plant growing in full sun...it is between a Bismarkia and a Parajubaea and unfortunately are too closely planted and are starting to look crowded...

regards...

[gyuseppe]

Malcolm: Your dipsis decipiens how old?

[Perito]

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Malcombe, What kind of steroids are you feeding that giant?

[malcthomas]

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Malcombe, What kind of steroids are you feeding that giant?

Here is a picture of my 6'2" neighbour beside it...

Gyuseppe, I'm not sure about age...probably 10 years..

Perito, Does not get any special treatment or feeding..

regards...Malcolm

[Alberto]

Hi Malcolm! Nice to see you!

That´s a wesome growth for a D.decipiens!! It sure likes your climate!

Is that a Parajubea torallyi??

[malcthomas]

Hi Malcolm! Nice to see you!

That´s a wesome growth for a D.decipiens!! It sure likes your climate!

Is that a Parajubea torallyi??

Alberto...good to hear from you..

It is cocoides..a torallyi (and also a D.decaryi) growing to the left side of it died a year or so ago from Phytopthora. This is the driest part of my property and is almost pure beach sand. The decipiens has the proportions of a similar aged East Coast Rhopalostylis. A habitat photo posted here ( I think by Gary L.) of a remnant colony of D.decipiens on farm land could have been a NZ East Coast landscape...

kind regards...Malcolm

[Rafael]

As promised, i am uploading my just arrived dypsis decipiens!

Not with 80 cm, but with lovely and beautiful 65 cm tall!

Now hands on work , after recent cold nights!

Edited March 11, 2010 by rafael

[freakypalmguy]

Nice score Rafael.

[TimHopper]

My one and only remaining Dypsis Decipiens is about 8 years old now. I have grown it from a seed purchased from Rarepalmseeds.com . When it split into two trees, I did some surgery to successfully remove one to make it a single. Also as it was growing and prior to forming wood trunk, I had to excavate around the base regularly and fill with gravel for good drainage. Here in Florida they have a tendancy to rot below ground level. I have kept this album over the years showing all of the steps. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v246/TimHopper/Temp%20Album/Dypsis%20Decipiens/

It has been very hardy and even though my foxtails and spindles are burned to a crisp by 7 consecutive nightly freezes, my DD is going strong. Mine is not as heavy and stout as some others growing in the open sun. It is growing in the shade of three large King Palms. Here are my most recent photos taken today. It is about 8-9 feet tall overall. Tim

Edited March 11, 2010 by TimHopper