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Posted

Yes, well we all know that these are not really a palm, but everyone that looks at mine thinks otherwise. Well for those of you that have these in your garden they may well be quite cold hardy. Atleast in the Sydney Botanical gardens they think so as they have planted some, lets tip our hats to them, panama hats that is, and wish them luck.

Mike

Port Macquarie NSW Australia

Warm temperate to subtropical

Record low of -2C at airport 2006

Pushing the limit of palm survivabilities

Posted

Mike , I will be very interested in seeing how this plants survives over winter .. was just talking with someone the other day who has not seen a mature clump of this plant anywhere around here in the tropics ! Ari bought a nice clump inn a 10" pot with several shoots .. it should thrive for here in Darwin ..

Michael in palm paradise,

Tully, wet tropics in Australia, over 4 meters of rain every year.

Home of the Golden Gumboot, its over 8m high , our record annual rainfall.

Posted

They grow well in Brisbane. I have grown them for a number of years. They mainly need water. Both of Brisbanes BG have flowering clumps

Palms are the king of trees

Brod

Brisbane, Australia

28 latitude, sub tropical

summer average 21c min - 29c max

winter average 10c min - 21c max

extremes at my place 5c - 42c

1100 average rainfall

Posted

Hi Michael and Brod, mine's small and hasnt seen its first winter. I have planted it in a shady spot year round with good drainage and moist most of the time. For it to have wet feet here in winter does worry me abit, so this will be a good experiment on its cold hardiness. Brod, are yours subject to cold wet winters, and particularly some of the cold westerlies that we can get duing this time. Or are they well sheltered and growing in the warmest winter spot in your garden? Which part of Brisbane do you live, close to the coast? I dont recall seeing them in either of the BG in Brisbane and I thought I new the gardens like the back of my hand, obviously not. Any clues to were I can find them?

Thanks

Mike

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Port Macquarie NSW Australia

Warm temperate to subtropical

Record low of -2C at airport 2006

Pushing the limit of palm survivabilities

Posted

These are very tropical in their requirements. I found out first-hand, lost a good-sized plant last winter, not to our freezes but the cold, wet fall temperatures. Ditto the death-scene for the plant sold as Carludovica 'Jungle Drums,' which died as well for me this last fall.

Eric Schmidt at Leu Gardens in Orlando, Florida, says C. palmata and 'Jungle Drums' won't make it there either, and that's warmer than Sydney in winter. They do beautifully in Miami and also in Ft. Myers. so it makes sense they'd do well in Brisbane. But ditto the death-scene for the plant sold as Carludovica 'Jungle Drums,' which died as well for me this last fall.

I'm curious whether there are other Cyclanthaceae members that would be hardy, but they're seemingly very hard to come by for trialing...very unfortunate, as they are great plants! They do make nice potted specimens if you're willing to drag them in and out...

Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

Posted

Hi Guys

These are nice plants....

My best performer so far has been Cyclanthus bipartitus. Grows well in sun and shade. It is the plant to the right (foreground) behind the Chams.

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Cheers

Dennis

Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

Posted

Mike I saw them too at the Sydney BG under trees not far from the cafe in the middle of the garden. That was back in Dec 04. They startled me as at first I thought they were some strange Licuala. If they grow there, they should have no trouble in your garden.

Dennis, You have a nice garden there. :)

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Posted

Thanks Tyrone!

Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

Posted (edited)

Dennis-great garden! Is that a tree fern in the mix?

Edited by Peter

San Fernando Valley, California

Posted

Thanks Pete

Remeber our baby?

See attached pic from Feb. I need to get another with something for scale.

Cheers

Dennis

Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

Posted

Oooops heres the pic

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Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

Posted

She's a beauty all right Dennis. I just moved mine, and it definitely did not like to be moved, even though I think I got the whole root ball. I'm hoping it bounces back... (apologies for the hijacked thread)

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San Fernando Valley, California

Posted

Oh no... I remembered you posted a pic a while ago. Why did you have to move it?? I don't think I can find one of those here :( . Very pretty indeed.. Do they get bigger?

BTW, nice garden Dennis.

Regards, Ari :)

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

-12°32'53" 131°10'20"

Posted

Some years ago while hiking on the Windward side of O`ahu I came across some growing wild way out in the boonies. Check out this link for some photos.

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Living in Paradise, Leeward O`ahu, Hawai`i, USA
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No moles, squirrels, chipmunks, deer, etc. Just the neighbors "wild" chickens

Posted

Hi Tyrone, I cant recall ever seeing them there, but I hope you are right. Surviving last winter would of been a real test for them.

Dennis nice garden and I gotta have one of those Cyclanthus bipartitus. I wonder if Palms for Brisbane sells them?

Mike

  Tyrone said:
Mike I saw them too at the Sydney BG under trees not far from the cafe in the middle of the garden. That was back in Dec 04. They startled me as at first I thought they were some strange Licuala. If they grow there, they should have no trouble in your garden.

Dennis, You have a nice garden there. :)

Best regards

Tyrone

Port Macquarie NSW Australia

Warm temperate to subtropical

Record low of -2C at airport 2006

Pushing the limit of palm survivabilities

Posted

Hey guys

Ouch Pete she does not look happy......plensh water may save her yet!

Ja sorry about hijacking the thread. I will start another in the tropicals section showing the progress of my Antho.

Thanks palm nut: I am doing my garden is stages so believe me some atre not too pretty as yet! PFB should have one, the suckers take easily.

Cheers

Dennis

Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

  • 9 months later...
Posted
  PalmsZA said:
Oooops heres the pic

Antho.jpg

Wow, what is that, I'd love one!

On the thread topic, I've just bought one from Bunnings and hope to try here in Kalgoorlie, somewhere under the palms....

Posted

Hi Gan

The tree is Anthocleister grandiflora. Indigneous to South africa and tropical East Africa. It seems not as widely available as it should be, hopefully you will be able to find one in Aus!

Cheers

Dennis

Sub-tropical

Summer rainfall 1200mm

Annual average temp 21c

30 South

Posted
  PalmsZA said:
Hi Gan

The tree is Anthocleister grandiflora. Indigneous to South africa and tropical East Africa. It seems not as widely available as it should be, hopefully you will be able to find one in Aus!

Cheers

Dennis

Thanks for that info. Is it easy from seed?

Posted

Saw many Carludovica palmata in Ecuador along the trails, very beautiful plants. I thought they were palms at first, but

finally got a clue. I'd love to be growing some as well. I have a few pics, but should probably post in the Tropical Plant section.

Tim

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

Posted

For a minute there I thought I was losing my mind. :mrlooney: Here a few photos I snapped in Ecuador.

Tim

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Looks like a Mauritiella to the left.

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An errant leaf somebody had cut.

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Along the trail. We were on a boardwalk so this area is a swamp most of the time.

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

Posted

These grow so dense on the Osa peninsula in Costa Rica, and from a distance they look almost exactly like thickets of Kerriodoxa.

Cincinnati, Ohio USA & Mindo, Ecuador

 

Posted

I have a Jungle Drum that's about 8-9 years old in my greenhouse. I bought it as an "Exotic Angel" plant in a 5' pot. Its now huge. I wish it could be grown outside here but there's no way. It's main function now (other than just being a great plant) is to serve as overstory for my Licuala mapu.

"You can't see California without Marlon Brando's eyes"---SliPknot

 

Posted
  aussiearoids said:

Mike , I will be very interested in seeing how this plants survives over winter ..

Hi Aussiearoids, the winter did knock it around somewhat but it survived. Growth has been slow with only one new leaf so far sence planting. It has produced a strong sucker though. Iam cautiously optimistic that it will eventually adapt, be a strong grower and hopfully look good.

Cheers

Mike

Port Macquarie NSW Australia

Warm temperate to subtropical

Record low of -2C at airport 2006

Pushing the limit of palm survivabilities

Posted

I first bacame interested in Carludovica palmata many years ago when I lived in S.Cal. I never planted it in the groud, I left it out side in a pot all winter, it looked horible in the spring, but still very much alive. I believe in the right microclimate they will be beautiful in S. Cal.

Here in Hawaii they are around but not commonly used in landscape design which surprises me because they are compact and will never grow very tall.

Cyclanthus, carludovica palmata is one of approx 40 known species and they are all slighly different, very palm looking, exotic and seldom collected or even studied. In lower light situations the petioles can stretch to at least 7 feet, in full sun only 3 or 4.

Cyclanthus bipartitus is very beautiful as it forms clumps, can have huge leaves either entire, simple or forked V shape. Like carludovica, barpartitus has many forms each slightly different. I personally believe that this new commercially available cyclanthus, sometimes called "jungle drum" and various other nomenclature is one of the forms of bipartitus. It was very interesting to see that this plant got the attention of our spanish language site.

Besides the beautiful terrestrial cyclanthus there are climbers or vine like species; asplundia. These are plam like fan leaves that climb into the trees. Wikipedia has a beautiful photo and some extensive info about this seldom seen or cultivated beauty. These climbers were often seen in the Costa Rican jungle during the recent biennial. Some can look like climbing licualas.

I have been interested in the cyclanthus family for many years. I have looked for it in botanical gardens around the world and I am very surpirsed with how little attention this family receives. I have researched cyclanthus and find very few others interested in collecting or cultivating or studying them. I have very few species in my collection, tried for years to find asplundia plants and others who grow this family.

It seems to be the same for me with pandanus. Few out there are interested.

After palms, for me it's about cyclanthus and pandanus. I NEED A FRIEND!

Donald Sanders

  • 8 months later...
Posted

Michael, How is your Panama Hat Plant going after another winter in Port Macquarie? I'm looking at buying one, but am cautious if it's a waste of money.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Posted

I have one carlodovica, but not a palmata or whatever that divine one was that Dennis has. It grows well,but I chickened out and brought inside over winter. ATM I am trying germinate some C palmata seeds, as I have always wanted one but never been able to find them in Brisbane anywhere. Hopefully I will get lucky.

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

Posted

Here it is in Carbon on the North Coast of Honduras:

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Here it is flowering in Bocas del Toro, Panama:

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And here is my plant that I have had for several years. I had it in the ground for a couple years, but it really struggled in the winter and the dry season (I just couldn't keep it wet enough). I realized that it would probably be easier to manage in a container, so I dug it up and put it in a decorative ceramic pot on the back patio. It still has not reached the largest size that it grew to in the ground (around 5 feet tall with an 8-foot spread), but it is doing well in the container in the shade.

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Jody

  • 4 weeks later...
Posted

I bought one from Bunnings in freezing cold Albany yesterday for $9.50 in a 140mm pot. I've never seen one for sale before. I'll grow it in my hothouse and see how it goes.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Posted

Probably from up here, Tyrone...??? I have seen them around lately... Good luck...

I have finally found a place to plant mine... if only Scott would hurry up and move my heliconia...

Regards, Ari :)

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

-12°32'53" 131°10'20"

Posted
  Tyrone said:
I bought one from Bunnings in freezing cold Albany yesterday for $9.50 in a 140mm pot. I've never seen one for sale before. I'll grow it in my hothouse and see how it goes.

Best regards

Tyrone

In Bunnings......the place that is almost my second home.....where they all know me by name.......and they dont have C. palmata here at all. Very cheap too Ty, btw, need I mention that I now hate you ??? My seeds are pretty much duds, should have done something by now, but nada. Looks like its going to be another one of those plants I really love but am never meant to possess. Think I would be used it to by now.

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

Posted

I wonder whether I can send one to you, peachy.... I am sure I have seen them around more lately... It used to be hard to find them. Do you know whether they handle barerooting well??

Regards, Ari :)

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

-12°32'53" 131°10'20"

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