Sabal palmetto on the West coast

[steve 9atx]

Tom, AZ, and Jim

Nice pics. For some reason, I think Sabals are some of the prettiest juvenile palms,

I guess because they have only a few, large fronds and they start out as large or

almost as large as they ultimately get.

Tom in St Pete

Sorry to be a shibboleth, but everybody I know in TX pronounces it SAY-ball. Your

pronounciation sounds like you can make coats out of them.....

Ray

If S. birmingham is minor x palmetto, I'd be interested in comparing its hardiness

to S. xtexensis, minor x mexicana. Does anyone have these numbers?

Steve

Edited July 20, 2008 by steve 9atx

[palmtreeguy]

If S. birmingham is minor x palmetto, I'd be interested in comparing its hardiness

to S. xtexensis, minor x mexicana. Does anyone have these numbers?

Steve

Most agree Sabal x texensis 'Brazoria' is cold hardy up to around zone 7b or 5F. But not really much hardness data or zone pushing has been done on it. And it could be hardy to 0F (zone 7a) just like S. Birmingham is.

But it is interesting to me (using USDA 1990 hardness maps) that both S. Birmingham (possible source) and S. xtexensis origin source both were from zone 9a. S. xtexensis source is actually a tad colder (close to zone 8b).

I'm going to select one type of palm to plant here, out of these:

Louisiana palmetto (Sabal minor var. 'Louisiana') I think is hardy to around 0 to 5 degrees. (zone 7a/7b)

Brazoria Palmetto Palm (Sabal x texensis 'Brazoria') I think is hardy to around 0 to 5 degrees. (zone 7a/7b)

Birmingham Sabal (Sabal 'Birmingham') Hardy to 0F or zone 7a (Like the most right now)

Bald Head Island Cabbage Palm (Sabal palmetto 'Bald Head Island') I don't know the hardness?

Does anybody know the order in growth rate of these four above (I would like the fastest one).

Thanks very much.

Edited July 20, 2008 by palmtreeguy

[aztropic]

My only Sabal;this is it's third year flowering.

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Todays pic of the tree in seed

[aztropic]

Closeup of seeds

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[Tomsky]

Here's Sabal parviflora.

Jack

[Josue Diaz]

On 6/3/2008, 10:07:42, fastfeat said:

In all my years of walking SoCal streets doing tree inventories (hundreds of miles over 15 years), I have only seen two Sabal palmetto as street trees. They are (were?) a couple of blocks from my house in downtown Huntington Beach (Pecan Av?). Then, last week, at Chaffee Zoo/Roeding Park in Fresno, I found three, including one almost 40' tall--large, even by South Florida standards.

 

On 6/3/2008, 8:53:03, iwan said:

Sorry I missed you when you were in Fresno. There may be close to a dozen Sabal scattered throughout Roeding park. The largest ones are probably 80-100 years old. The only other Sabal I have noticed in my area are at a Taco Bell in Madera. Pretty unusual palms for a fast food joint. Not sure what they are (possibly Riverside). Nobody had any opinions when I posted pictures of them last year, but I wouldn't expect them to be anything uncommon. They were untouched in 1998 and 2007. Never noticed any palmettos here though. I have eight species here (and a couple of unknowns), but the largest is only 15g and most are 1g. I found (and bought) a 5g Riverside at Home Depot in Fresno last year, but I have never seen any others for sale outside of palm specialist nurseries. Phil Nickel has some nice in-ground trees at his nursery near Bakersfield.

 

 

 

Really old thread, but it peaked my interest as I began searching for photos of California-grown sabal. I picked a few seedlings from beneath a trio of really outstanding sabal palms on Fresno State's campus. They are probably palmetto, but the fronds are not droopy at all. I wonder if the dry climate keeps them more compact. These are the three:

Iwan, there are several dozen sabal and brahea (armata and possibly edulis?) planted along Peach Avenue, north of highway 180 in the median. I've also seen a few on Palm Avenue north of Shaw, and there is an apartment complex near Shields and 168 that has several large sabal, possibly Riverside. I've been meaning to stop there to collect seed. I remember the Hedricks car dealership on Shaw and 168 also had a beautiful large Sabal before they remodeled.

On 6/5/2008, 8:38:46, aztropic said:

My only Sabal;this is it's third year flowering.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

 

 

I'd love to see this palm now, I bet it's grown a ton!

Edited May 9, 2018 by Josue Diaz

[aztropic]

Add 10 years!

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[EastCanadaTropicals]

On 6/3/2008 at 10:49 AM, PalmGuyWC said:

I'm happy to see that someone is growing Sabals for sale in Calif. They are not very popular on the West Coast because they grow so slowly with our cooler nights. They also take up a lot of room and require a lot of heat to grow nicely. They do well inland with summer heat and away from the coast. At least in N. Calif., Sabal Riverside grows the fastest and it's a very attractive Sabal. I don't know of any mass plantings of Sabals in Calif. I have about 7 different kinds of Sabals, and S. Riverside has grown in height twice as fast as the other Sabals.

 

There are no native Sabals in Calif. The only native is Washingtonia filifera.

 

Dick

They probably do much better in eastern California

[Silas_Sancona]

22 minutes ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

They probably do much better in eastern California

Inland Empire/ Riverside.. Palm Springs / Indio.. Believe there are specimens.. Beyond that,  Nuthin' but hot sand and Cacti between there and Phoenix, ..or Yuma, inc. any Palmettos ( unless well hidden in a garden in El Centro ).. 

[kylecawazafla]

I was surprised to see a multitude of healthy Sabal palmettos randomly throughout public areas of San Diego this past month! Unfortunately, I did not snap any photos! Here is a Sabal medley at Ventura CC in Coastal Southern California. 

 

 

[Sabal Steve]

On 5/8/2018 at 11:50 PM, Josue Diaz said:

 

Really old thread, but it peaked my interest as I began searching for photos of California-grown sabal. I picked a few seedlings from beneath a trio of really outstanding sabal palms on Fresno State's campus. They are probably palmetto, but the fronds are not droopy at all. I wonder if the dry climate keeps them more compact. These are the three:

Iwan, there are several dozen sabal and brahea (armata and possibly edulis?) planted along Peach Avenue, north of highway 180 in the median. I've also seen a few on Palm Avenue north of Shaw, and there is an apartment complex near Shields and 168 that has several large sabal, possibly Riverside. I've been meaning to stop there to collect seed. I remember the Hedricks car dealership on Shaw and 168 also had a beautiful large Sabal before they remodeled.

I'd love to see this palm now, I bet it's grown a ton!

Those look a lot like Bermudana.  Did you ever grow your seedlings up?

[Jubaea_James760]

2 suspected Sabal Palmettos in Riverside CA 

Lake Elsinore, CA

1 of My Sabal Palmettos in Hesperia, CA , grown from seed from the Lake Elsinore Palmetto.

 

 

[JubaeaMan138]

2 hours ago, James760 said:

2 suspected Sabal Palmettos in Riverside CA 

Lake Elsinore, CA

1 of My Sabal Palmettos in Hesperia, CA , grown from seed from the Lake Elsinore Palmetto.

 

 

First 2 are close to my area if you go farther down the street to Victoria you will see some royals and a couple of other Sabals . That last one looks like weavers ?

[JubaeaMan138]

Here’s one of mine no clue what it is . 

[Jubaea_James760]

9 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

First 2 are close to my area if you go farther down the street to Victoria you will see some royals and a couple of other Sabals . That last one looks like weavers ?

Yes it's Kevin's Sabal Palmetto 

[Josue Diaz]

23 hours ago, Sabal Steve said:

Those look a lot like Bermudana.  Did you ever grow your seedlings up?

Yeah, they're doing really well on my front parking strip. I'll remember to get pictures of them and upload them. 

[Hillizard]

 

[Josue Diaz]

On 12/20/2020 at 11:03 AM, Sabal Steve said:

Those look a lot like Bermudana.  Did you ever grow your seedlings up?

I don't pay much attention to them. I should give them a bit of fertilizer to help them beef up