Caryota himalayana

[NorCalWill]

I am going to plant Caryota himalayana in my garden and I'd like to find out a little bit about this palm.

It's not in any of my palm books, and there isn't much info on the web.

Does anyone have experience with this palm?

I was told that it is pretty cold hardy, around 20 degrees F.

Supposedly fast growing.

Somewhere online, I read that Caryota maxima is a synonym, but there is a nursery that lists both himalayana and maxima as separate plants.

What else can you tell me about this palm?

Thanks,

-Will

[Kathryn]

I’ve heard of Himalaya varieties of both Caryota maxima and Caryota urens that are supposed to be more cold hardy. I can't help with figuring out what it really is or with the cold hardy part. Below is one that I put in the ground two years ago - first picture is from March 2007 and second one is today. I think this plant was labeled Caryota maxima var Himalaya. It has only gotten down to 28ºF (-2ºC) since I planted it and it is located on the south side of my house. It is getting past the roof, so it's cold hardiness might be tested next winter.

[galveston1602]

I’ve heard of Himalaya varieties of both Caryota maxima and Caryota urens that are supposed to be more cold hardy. I can't help with figuring out what it really is or with the cold hardy part. Below is one that I put in the ground two years ago - first picture is from March 2007 and second one is today. I think this plant was labeled Caryota maxima var Himalaya. It has only gotten down to 28ºF (-2ºC) since I planted it and it is located on the south side of my house. It is getting past the roof, so it's cold hardiness might be tested next winter.

Very off topic but, Kathryn its time for a walk through of your garden, it appears very nice, palm and non palm alike.....

or did I miss that thread?

[fdrc65]

I got a seedling of this palm one year ago, it grow pretty fast but I'm not sure about its cold hardiness, this winter here was mild, the lowest temperature was about 28 F (-2 C), and the leaves of my Caryota var. Himalaya were dameged, the plant is still alive and a new green leave is on now.

I guess my plant come from a greenhouse so it was no used to low temp.

before the freeze

after

bye

Fede

[Walter John]

Somewhere online, I read that Caryota maxima is a synonym, but there is a nursery that lists both himalayana and maxima as separate plants.

They are separate plants and it's name is Caryota himalaya

[BS Man about Palms]

I was gonna post the other day that I had a dead one of these, but when I was out side, I saw it is pushing out a new frond!

[Walter John]

I was gonna post the other day that I had a dead one of these, but when I was out side, I saw it is pushing out a new frond!

Maybe that's it's way of saying goodbye

:lol: :lol: :lol:

sorry Bill, I didn't mean it, good luck with that fishtail palm

[Kim]

Like Kathryn, I've seen "Himalaya' and 'Himalayana' added to virtually every Caryota name along with a claim to better cold-hardiness. I have no idea if this is marketing or reality. Palm names tend to be fluid; new research, information and publications can change what names are 'accepted'. When I'm confused about a name, I refer to the Kew World Checklist, an accepted authority, fully realizing that the names on the list can change in the future. But here's what's currently on the list for Caryota. Bold names are accepted; others are synonyms or unaccepted:

51 records retrieved

Click on any name to see a detailed overview. (Note: this only works on the Kew website.)

Names in bold indicate accepted names, plain list indicates non accepted names.

Caryota L., Sp. Pl.: 1189 (1753).

Caryota aequatorialis (Becc.) Ridl., Fl. Malay Penins. 5: 20 (1925).

Caryota albertii F.Muell. ex H.Wendl., Linnaea 39: 221 (1875).

Caryota arenga Mezieres ex Desjardins, Rapp. Annuel Trav. Soc. Hist. Nat. Ile Maurice 6: 28 (1835).

Caryota bacsonensis Magalon, Contr. Étud. Palmiers Indoch.: 128 (1930).

Caryota blancoi Hook.f., Rep. Progr. Condition Roy. Bot. Gard. Kew 1882: 61 (1884).

Caryota cumingii Lodd. ex Mart., Hist. Nat. Palm. 3: 315 (1853).

Caryota furfuracea Blume ex Mart., Hist. Nat. Palm. 3: 195 (1838).

Caryota furfuracea var. caudata Blume in C.F.P.von Martius, Hist. Nat. Palm. 3(ed. 2): 195 (1845).

Caryota furfuracea var. furcata Blume in C.F.P.von Martius, Hist. Nat. Palm. 3(ed. 2): 195 (1845).

Caryota gigas Hahn ex Hodel, Palm J. 139: 51 (1998), no diagnostic descr.

Caryota griffithii Becc., Nuovo Giorn. Bot. Ital. 3: 15 (1871).

Caryota griffithii var. selebica Becc., Malesia 1: 75 (1877).

Caryota horrida Jacq., Fragm. Bot.: 20 (1801).

Caryota humilis Reinw. ex Kunth, Enum. Pl. 3: 193 (1841), pro syn.

Caryota javanica Osbeck, Dagb. Ostind. Resa: 270 (1757).

Caryota javanica Zipp. ex Miq., Fl. Ned. Ind. 2: 41 (1856), nom. illeg.

Caryota kiriwongensis Hodel, Palm J. 139: 53 (1998), no diagnostic descr.

Caryota macrantha Burret, Notizbl. Bot. Gart. Berlin-Dahlem 15: 197 (1940).

Caryota majestica Linden, Ill. Hort. 28: 16 (1881).

Caryota maxima Blume ex Mart., Hist. Nat. Palm. 3: 195 (1838).

Caryota merrillii Becc., Webbia 1: 333 (1905).

Caryota mitis Lour., Fl. Cochinch.: 697 (1790).

Caryota monostachya Becc., Webbia 3: 196 (1910).

Caryota nana Linden, Ill. Hort. 28: 16 (1881).

Caryota no Becc., Nuovo Giorn. Bot. Ital. 3: 12 (1871).

Caryota obtusa Griff., Calcutta J. Nat. Hist. 5: 480 (1845).

Caryota obtusa var. aequatorialis Becc. in J.D.Hooker, Fl. Brit. India 6: 423 (1892).

Caryota obtusidentata Griff., Palms Brit. E. Ind.: t. 236A, B (1850).

Caryota ochlandra Hance, J. Bot. 17: 174 (1879).

Caryota onusta Blanco, Fl. Filip.: 741 (1837).

Caryota ophiopellis Dowe, Austral. Syst. Bot. 9: 20 (1996).

Caryota palindan Blanco, Fl. Filip.: 714 (1837).

Caryota princeps Voigt, Syll. Pl. Nov. 2: 51 (1828).

Caryota propinqua Blume ex Mart., Hist. Nat. Palm. 3: 195 (1838).

Caryota rumphiana Mart., Hist. Nat. Palm. 3: 195 (1838).

Caryota rumphiana var. albertii (F.Muell. ex H.Wendl.) F.M.Bailey, Queensland Agric. J. 1(3): 233 (1897).

Caryota rumphiana var. australiensis Becc., Malesia 1: 74 (1877).

Caryota rumphiana var. borneensis Becc., Malesia 1: 74 (1877).

Caryota rumphiana var. indica Becc., Malesia 1: 75 (1877).

Caryota rumphiana var. javanica Becc., Malesia 1: 74 (1877).

Caryota rumphiana var. moluccana Becc., Malesia 1: 70 (1877).

Caryota rumphiana var. oxyodonta Becc., Philipp. J. Sci. 14: 337 (1919).

Caryota rumphiana var. papuana Becc., Malesia 1: 70 (1877).

Caryota rumphiana var. philippinensis Becc., Philipp. J. Sci. 14: 337 (1919).

Caryota sobolifera Wall. ex Mart., Hist. Nat. Palm. 3: 194 (1838).

Caryota speciosa Linden, Ill. Hort. 28: 16 (1881).

Caryota sympetala Gagnep., Notul. Syst. (Paris) 6: 151 (1937).

Caryota tremula Blanco, Fl. Filip.: 744 (1837).

Caryota urens L., Sp. Pl.: 1189 (1753).

Caryota zebrina Hambali & al., Palms 44: 171 (2000).

[Kathryn]

I refer to the Kew World Checklist

Wow Kim, I've never check out the Kew World List. Thanks for sharing. I just looked up Livistona and can't stop reading - great, another distraction!

[Tala]

The himalayana moniker is useful in letting you know your palm's origination but this along w/ maxima and ochlandra are all one and the same palm. There might be a some minute difference in the reproductive parts that could translate into nomenclature but all three look, grow and react to cold the same. This can also be said for obtusa / gigas and Thai Mt. Giant. All three of those are the same.

At one time William Hahn (UF) was working on a long overdue mono, this appears to have faded with time. There was some confusion about this from Mr. Riffle's book, we were conversing about these and some others (pre publication) and I think the two groups were mixed up in the original edition. Not sure if any corrections were made; I had always planned to blame Bob but since he is no longer here to defend himself I'll have to take the heat for this. I often write like I talk (too fast for my brain to process) and I must have confused him with some emails/photos. Oops my bad ...

[iwan]

Will, check out the freeze/cold hardiness section for my comments on this palm.

[SubTropicRay]

I also believed it was synonymous with C. maxima. Either way, mine has seen 28F without damage.

[tank]

Here is my version of this plant after ~20F, spear pull and subsiquent surgery. It is currently putting out its second leaf of the season. Hopefully the third leaf will be entire.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...mp;#entry204685