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Licuala radula


Dypsisdean

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OK Wal and Mikey,

What's up with Licuala radula?

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Kona, on The Big Island
Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes

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Hi Dean and others, this one's right out of left field isn't it ?, it's like this actually, there is in fact still a Licuala radula but not as we know it.

The real Licuala radula is actually a palm that looks kind of like Licuala fordiana. The palm we thought was Licuala radula, the mottled beauty, is another name all together, it is Licuala dasyantha (DAYS-EYE-ANT-THA).

Andrew Henderson, botanist and palm-systematist, made investigations and saw that the palm we thought of as L.radula was first described as L.dasyantha and so as is proper, this original name shall stand as the correct name.

I know what you're thinking, how did it get the radula name ? well it appears that Don Hodel called it incorrectly as radula many moons ago and that name stuck. The reasons why I do not know.

They say my name was really Hercules but it ended up being Wal, go figure.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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OK Walucles,

Here's my question then:

I have heard conflicting statements regarding whether L. radula (now L. dasyantha) is dioecious or monoecious. Most indicate it is dioecious. But one very smart guy I know swears it is monoecious. I'll leave his name out here because I am only 99.9% sure he told me this. I believe he told me he got fertile seed off one plant. Could this be why? Is perhaps L. dasyantha monoecious? And the real L. radula dioecious?

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I'd lay a bet on 99.9% sure :unsure: and who said anything about question time ? :hmm:

just kidding, this is serious I know, and I will do the dishes as soon as I get off the pc.

I'll just allow others to respond first.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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Come on Wal,

Much too cryptic.

Does that mean you don't know? I sure don't. But if the plant has been identified wrong, that would explain why you could get fertile seed off a supposedly single dioecious plant. That would also mean that I wasted my time acquiring 4 of them to assure pollination, if in fact, they are monoecious. :) That's why I'm curiious.

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Dean,

They are beautiful so it is not really a waste, is it?

Regards, Ari :)

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

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Hi Dean,

With many Licuala's in there young state they can have a simple spicate

inflorescence, this is the same with the 'sp' in question, Yet on a couple

of older plants the inflorescence was branched and with no seed set we

all thought that they were in fact, Male and Female plants but with time

we now know different, in fact I've seen a single plant produce viable

seed. In saying that Dean you'll have 4 beauty's that will each set seed

by themselves.

P.S. Claytons single plant has produced good viable seed as well

(hand pollenation is best for a good set)

Regards Mikey :)

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M.H.Edwards

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Thanks Mikey,

That makes sense. And I sure do like it when explanations make sense?

But darn, I thought since I would be one of the few with multiple plants, I would also be one of the few with viable seed. On well, like you and Ari said, I'm left with the prospect of only having multiple beautiful plants. At least now I don't need to plant them as closely as I was going to do. :)

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Nice to know that mine may produce seed too. Here is my one and only altho' it has grown a bit more since this pic was taken last year. Dang, another name change to remember! Licuala dasyantha

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Thanks Mikey,

That makes sense. And I sure do like it when explanations make sense?

:P

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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Nice to know that mine may produce seed too. Here is my one and only altho' it has grown a bit more since this pic was taken last year. Dang, another name change to remember! Licuala dasyantha

Hi Al,

Your plant looks great, isn't it good to know that you just

need one plant and not two.

Regards Mikey.

Hey Dean,

now you can enjoy four plants in prime areas of your

garden, enjoy them :drool: .

Cheers Mikey.

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M.H.Edwards

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Hi Dean

We understand WALISMS, i think

don't we Wal

we would not have him any other way

go Wal

regards

colin

coastal north facing location

100klm south of Sydney

NSW

Australia

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In a long round about way I was told about this directly from Clayton. I think it sounds like he is swamped with stuff and traveling so he is unable to shed some light right now. This is what he stated to me to cut part out:

"it so happens that Don Hodel was the one who put the name on the plants we have over here known as Licuala radula but in fact are not that species! According to Andrew Henderson the true name for this species is Licuala dasyantha from type locality.So it's been named wrong now for many years so this should go up on the board"

The odd thing is Licuala dasyantha is from China while what we thought was Radula was suppose to be native to Thailand. Hopefully Clayton can clarify when he gets a chance. I have spent a lot of time tracking this plant down (with little luck), and now I am confused! :) Are we saying even older plants here in SoCal like Louis Hooper's is really Licuala dasyantha? Or just what was run through Australia?

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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Hi Len,

I was speaking to Clayton before he's a bit busy to come on the board

just now he's had people around at the nursery all day so I thought I'd

help you in your confusion.

Both Licuala dasyantha and licuala radula come from Vietnam, there

is a 'sp' of Licuala from China that actually looks similiar to that of

Licuala radula, and that is Licuala fordiana.

To sum it up Licuala dasyantha is the mottled one which I'm sure many

people over there have tagged as Licuala radula, so time for a tag change

Hope this helps you out.

Cheers Mikey :)

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M.H.Edwards

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Thanks Mikey. I just did a search on Google and it said it was from China on a few websites. So that is where I got that. Thanks for the correction.

Hey, this name change does nothing with the fact Licuala dasyantha is still hard to find! :)

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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Dear Gentlemen :)

any stills of the palm in discussion...as to how it looks or what it is ? :hmm:

thanks & love,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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Dear Gentlemen :)

any stills of the palm in discussion...as to how it looks or what it is ? :hmm:

thanks & love,

Kris :)

Dear Kris,

Presenting to you , Licuala dasyantha formerly radula.

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Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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Dear Wal :)

thanks for that lovely still & also for clarifying that Licuala Dasyantha is L.Radula..

Lots of love to you,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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Hi Guys,

Hey Kris here's a picture of my one

with my hand for scale.

Regards Mikey :)

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  • 15 years later...

Just reviving this topic…now that Lanonia dasyantha has well and truly taken off in cultivation, what ever happened to the true Licuala radula? Is anyone growing this?

Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

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2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

2005 Average: 17.2C, warmest on record.

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