Rare Dwarf Syagrus

[BS Man about Palms]

Am I missing something here? On Gileno's photo for Syagrus comosa, I see the sign says Syagrus sancona. Are they the same palm? I didn't think Sancona was that hard to find.

[LJG]

I agree with you. I have some small Syagrus glaucescens too. It is a unique palm but I am not as bullish on the growth. These suckers are slow for me.

Thanks for the pics Gileno. I too find Syagrus to be one of my favorite Genus.

Thanks Gileno,

I love the Syagrus, it's my favorite genus! Thanks for the pic of the S.Glauscence (sorry for the spelling)! I have about 10 of them and they're 3-5gallon size. I now know what they'll look like in a few years! I also loved the Syagrus Comosa pic. I have bought hundreds of Comosa seeds from RPS and i had zero germination!! I sure would like to get my hands on viable Syagrus Comosa seeds!!

[Palm Guy]

Excellent photos Gileno. Always nice to see some rare palms. Especially liked the first dwarf Syagrus and the Polyandrococos caudescens. I have to get me some of those!

Thanks again!

[edbrown_III]

Good show Gileno,

This thread got me to scan a few photos of some Syagrus from Minas Gerais

Heres a S duartei amongst the rocks in Cerro di Cipo

Best wishes,

Ed

[edbrown_III]

Heres a real large one they arent supposed to be large but some times you see a large individual

[edbrown_III]

Heres a S pleiocada

[cfkingfish]

This is some serious Syagrus stuff! What did Larry have to say about the collection?

[edbrown_III]

Heres a S. glaucescens -- it is one of my favorite palms I tried to grow these in Jax from seed I collected in 91 but they all succumbed to a freeze in the 20's .

[Alicehunter2000]

Thanks for the tour especially the shots of the rare and newly described species. Hopefully these can be propagated to a larger extent and saved from the brink.

[rthink]

Gileno,

Syagrus never came to my attention before due to its size but now they are. Thanks to you!..

[Kris]

Dear Brother

my head was spinning seeing so many varities in one garden itself,lovely collection and the person who is behind this work has indeed done a monumental work for the future generation to see & admire in awe...

thanks & love,

Kris

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[Mark Heath]

I knew at some point you would chime in Ed!! This thread is right up your alley!

[mike in kurtistown]

Gileno,

Thanks to you and Ed Brown, I have opened up another palm photo file labeled Syagrus. Nice Sunday morning treat!

[Gileno Machado]

Thanks everyone. For me it is a pleasure to post these photos. When I started collecting palms some 6 years ago I didn't care much for any Syagrus species. Here in NE Brazil they are never employed in landscape and still considered useless common native palms. When I bought Lorenzi's book a few years ago I was surprised to realize how many different and interesting species we had here in Brazil, and also the endless crossing possibilities among them. In my State of Pernambuco, most Syagrus are locally called "Coco-Catolé" and this name means it is considered an inferior palm, when comparing to Cocos nucifera, because the Syagrus are not capable of producing big and useful fruits like the cousins on the beach.

Thanks Bill BS for noticing that I have made a mistake when posting the Syagrus comosa picture in post # 29. That one was actually the Syagrus sancona, the Brazilian variety of yhe species, which is native to Acre, near the border of Peru.

Here's the real Syagrus comosa picture, and sorry for my mistake (this is not an Amazonic species like S. sancona, but endemic to central Brazil):

[Gileno Machado]

Now these two here, at Lorenzi's poll area, are Syagrus picrophylla, (Côco-de-quarta) a species endemic to Espírito Santo State, in SE Brazil. These palms are not common in cultivation yet but I guess they look great. The yellow inflorescences are aboundant and eye catching. I guess these palms here are less than 10 years old from seed:

[Gileno Machado]

This is a clump of Syagrus flexuosa (or Syagrus campestris?).

Dr. Noblick told me that he has evidences that the variety we call Syagrus campestris (Prof. Medeiros Costa gave me several of these in Recife) is actually different from S. flexuosa and deserves to be considered as a separate species.

[Gileno Machado]

Ed: Your pictures taken in habitat are amazing. I've seen a Syagrus duartei at Lorenzi's but I can't find the photo now...

I am not so sure but I guess the clump to the right is of Syagrus cearensis. maybe Liana will help me to remember this ID later.

[Gileno Machado]

Now I guess this is a recently planted Syagrus macrocarpa (Maria Rosa) from the Atlantic forest areas in the Southeast.

[Gileno Machado]

Since I have gone a little off topic and posted a few of the taller Syagrus species, here's one of my favorites: Syagrus inajai, from Amazonia:

[Gileno Machado]

Hi Dave (Tala),

Thanks for your comments. I was lucky to germinate a few seeds of Syagrus smithi lately, coming all the way from the peruvian border, but they are still in the strap leaf stage. If I manage to get a few more of these rare seeds I'll be glad to send a few to you. I had been looking for them for years...the species looks like Euterpe precatoria with those ethereal leaves high above...

Syagrus ruschiana is much easier to find now. I've sent several of these seeds to many friends from all over. Let me ask another friend from Pará if his palm is fruiting again...

Now a pause for a dwarf Butia.

Hey Alberto, I thought of you and Nigel when I saw this one here. The rare and famous Butia lallemanii...was it the one you guys saw in habitat in Rio Grande do Sul last year?

[Gileno Machado]

...and the lovely Butia archeri, which I've been looking for seeds for a long time...sigh...

[Alberto]

Yes Gileno, this is the little palm,and I can see it is beginning to form little suckers! I hope my seeds will germinate!

Recently I found on Internet that at the Parque Estadual do Cerrado of Jaguariaíva, a nearby county , that there grows a dwarf palm called ´´ Syagrus hatschbachii´´and that is not mentioned in Lorenzis book. The next time I´ll be again in this park I have to see this palm!.....

[Alberto]

...and the lovely Butia archerii, which I've been looking for seeds for a long time...sigh...

I have one plant from seeds from RPS....

[Exotic Life]

Fantastic Syagrus species... i like Syagrus very much... when i was looking at your pictures i saw syagrus pictures that i never have seen on pictures. Thanks for sharing!

I have here romanzoffina but also a quinkinphylla seedling, is this species not from brazil?

Robbin

[Gileno Machado]

Fantastic Syagrus species... i like Syagrus very much... when i was looking at your pictures i saw syagrus pictures that i never have seen on pictures. Thanks for sharing!

I have here romanzoffina but also a quinkinphylla seedling, is this species not from brazil?

Robbin

Thanks Robbin.

I haven't heard of the species you mention yet. Do you have any pictures of it?

Alberto:

I've mentioned your cold hardy collection to Lorenzi and he got interested in visiting you sometime. I'll try to e-mail him with this link...It would be great if he could eventually start posting here in Forum. His collection is fantastic, not only for the palms. He was very gentle to us too. We were lucky to be able to spend the whole day visiting the Instituto Plantarum...and also got an invitation for lunch at his beautiful house, along with Dr. Noblick. You should definitely try to visit him next time you go to São Paulo.

[Exotic Life]

Hi,

It's only a seedling yet, i have repotted a couple weeks ago.. since that time it's growing a little faster. I don't have a picture but i can make a picutre if you want..

I have got those seeds from Christian.... from this board.

Robbin

[Alberto]

Fantastic Syagrus species... i like Syagrus very much... when i was looking at your pictures i saw syagrus pictures that i never have seen on pictures. Thanks for sharing!

I have here romanzoffina but also a quinkinphylla seedling, is this species not from brazil?

Robbin

Maybe it´s S. quinquefaria???

[Gonzer]

Fascinating Gileno! Thanks so much for sharing those. With all that material, could a reference book on Syagrus be far off?

[palmislandRandy]

Wow Gileno, Thanks for taking the time to post all those great photos.

[BS Man about Palms]

Gileno, Thank you for clearing up that mystery to me! That comosa is a beauty!

[deezpalms]

Gileno, thanks for the wonderful Syagrus tour! Some of those dwarf species look like phoney Phoenix

[Exotic Life]

Fantastic Syagrus species... i like Syagrus very much... when i was looking at your pictures i saw syagrus pictures that i never have seen on pictures. Thanks for sharing!

I have here romanzoffina but also a quinkinphylla seedling, is this species not from brazil?

Robbin

Maybe it´s S. quinquefaria???

Alberto,

I really don't know, i can only remember that quinkinphylla was on the pakket if i'm right. But maybe are you right and is that the good name...

Robbin

[Mark Heath]

Gileno, Thanks for taking the time to post all those pics! Do you know a good source for Syagrus Comosa seeds? If anyone would know, it would be you! I am happy to see that other people share my love for the Syagrus genus! I have visited many other peoples palm gardens and they do not usually have a wide selection of Syagrus. When i ask them why they say that they do not like them?????? To each his own!!!!

[Gileno Machado]

Gileno, Thanks for taking the time to post all those pics! Do you know a good source for Syagrus Comosa seeds? If anyone would know, it would be you! I am happy to see that other people share my love for the Syagrus genus! I have visited many other peoples palm gardens and they do not usually have a wide selection of Syagrus. When i ask them why they say that they do not like them?????? To each his own!!!!

I can understand the bad reputation of certain species of Syagrus, Mark. I guess S. rommanzoffiana seems to be over employed in certain areas of US and Australia (it is still rarely seen in NE Brazil !). If I get a few comosa seeds from some friends collectors here I'll be glad to send a few for you to try.

S. rommanzoffiana (Jerivá):

[Gileno Machado]

Now which one was this? Help, Liana...

[Gileno Machado]

What about this clumping boy?

[Gileno Machado]

Syagrus botryophora (juvenile)

[Mark Heath]

Thanks Gileno, i would gladly pay you for them or i could even swap XBuiagrus seeds as well! Please try and snag as many as possable for me if you can. I can't figure out why none had germinated for me, i'm usually pretty good w/ Syagrus!

[Tala]

the pic in post 75 looks like cocoides

the clumper looks like smithii (the one I like, big fruits) but I'm just guessing on it, not much experience w/ dwarf Syagrus. I know its not vagans but thats the best I can do...

anyone have any good shots of ruschiana? I germinated some seed in 2005, still on strap leaves now but they are huge.

[DoomsDave]

Gileno!

When I get down there, I'll have to rent me a portable Swooning Sofa!

Some of those small palms are wonderful.

Hmm. Wonder how they'll grow here in So Cal . . .