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Palms in Missouri

osideterry

By osideterry
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osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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I just got back from my 30-year high school reunion in Joplin (Zone 6B). Of course I first had to stop by and see that crazy property I posted photos of last Summer.

A retired railroad tycoon has converted 2 city blocks into a tropical compound. Check it out.

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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Yes that was a railroad car in the previous post. With it 95F and high humidity, the palms seemed right at home.

More... these palms are planted in the ground. Hey, would really make any difference if he were planting queens?

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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My twin brother, Larry, joined me and we went to go see Mom. Might as well stop by and see Dad as well

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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I'll spare you reunion photos... back to palms. These were taken in the Kansas City area, zone 6a-6b.

Here's my brother with the Windmill Palm I gave him 3 years ago. It was a 5 gallon then.

The next photo is a Needle Palm, the first palm he planted. About 4 years old from a 1 gallon.

Next up various Sabal minors and a Sabal "birmingham".

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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You know you've successfully converted someone into palm freak when you find their back porch looks like this.

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

osideterry Grand Master

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Other plants Larry's growing that actually handle 0F winter lows better than the palms.

That's pretty much it.

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Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

www.dadluvsu.com Grand Master

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Awesome pics Terry! This still just baffles me... looks like the guy has more palms than last year!! I wonder how he overwinters them? I grew up in Cape Girardeau... I remember at SEMO's heated pool they would cover the whole pool with a giant white bubble dome thing and there were palm trees in there... Indoor pool area sounds like a great place to winterize palms. Not like I cared about palms then, I just wanted to jump in the pool with my little arm floaties and look at little girls! :P

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TikiRick Veteran

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Please let us know just how this guy winters his palms! A coconut in MO? In the ground? Does he just sink the entire container in the ground and then pulls it up before the first frost?

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Rick Leitner

Fort Lauderdale, Florida

26.07N/80.15W

Zone 10B

Average Annual Low 67 F

Average Annual High 84 F

Average Annual Rainfall 62"

 

Riverfront exposure, 1 mile from Atlantic Ocean

Part time in the western mountains of North Carolina

Gratefully, the best of both worlds!

Gbarce Grand Master

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Is this the same guy who rolls his boxed royals into a warehouse? I remember that thread from last year.

No pictures last year-- nice to see pics this time.

Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

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osideterry Grand Master

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I didn't take a picture of the building the palms overwinter in. It looked more like a small chapel than a greenhouse, and no way all the cocos fit in it. The first time I stopped by, he had gardeners planting a royal, and they said they had every intention of keeping it in the ground. I'm pretty sure it's the one now in the box in the first post.

My brother lives close enough to check on it regularly. I'll have him get photos of the "chapel" filled with cocos next Winter.

Gene - I had a couple of photos last year, but not enough to show the place. I don't have time to dig up that thread right now.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

FRITO Grand Master

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thats really cool. He would be a good canidate for the "whats with that house?" show where there is always one house in every neigghborhood that sticks out from the rest!

I however like to plant to my zone and only push it marginally with 9a palms. aside from the areca that I use as an experiment!

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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terry!

Did you give the r x r tycoon an official PSSC Straightjacket, with the palm logo on it? :mrlooney:

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osideterry Grand Master

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I'm just wondering how much it costs to purchase and ship 8 big-box Cocos and 4 big-box Royals from Florida to Missouri. If I could afford to pull that off, why not just move?

By the way, I'm really impressed with the growth of that one Trachy in just 3 years. Especially considering it's growing season is from May to September.

The two Areca vestiarias in Post 5 I smuggled home with me. Most of those seedlings he got from oppalms who frequents this forum.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

deezpalms Grand Master

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Cocos n' manilla palms in the ground?? CRAZY!!!!

Dave Hughson

Carlsbad, Ca

1 mile from ocean

Zone 10b

Palm freaks are good peeps!!!!!

epicure3 Grand Master

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Those pictures could rival Bobby's on LI. Maybe they are related.....would certainly answer some questions. I love that royal. It never ceases to amaze me how small a root ball can be (in such a small box) for such a large palm.

Coastal San Diego, California

Z10b

Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean

warm summer/mild winter

joe_OC Grand Master

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Are the Adonidia merrilliis in the ground all year round? If so, I'm gonna try them in 10a/b

Huntington Beach, CA

USDA Zone 10a/10b

Sunset Zone 24

paulgila Grand Master

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sheesh i couldnt even keep em alive in my living room!!!

great pix,terry! how'd the reunion music go over?

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

osideterry Grand Master

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Joplin is Zone 6B, which means it hits 0F every year. Those palms are all dead in the ground. My guess is all are pot planted, and dug up when October rolls around.

Paul - The music went great. You can never guess what songs will get people going. When "Jungle Love" started with it's whistles and intro riff, a mass of people hit the dance floor. The Bee Gees songs were received "okay". When country-ish and ballad songs started, booing ensued. People wanted to rock.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

SubTropicRay Grand Master

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Wow, that is actually more amazing than Bobby's place. It gets colder in Missouri than Long Island. Kudos to that guy.

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10A

Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

subtropical USDA Zone 10B

TikiRick Veteran

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Funny, I planted a needle and windmill palm at my folks' place in Louisville, Kentucky (zone 6a) and they both died the first year out. They were planted from a 3 gallon container and on the SE side of the house. My mom even buried most of them in hay for further protection, but they just couldn't hang on through all those dark, cold, damp winter days. Which is exactly why I got the hell outta there after graduation.

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Rick Leitner

Fort Lauderdale, Florida

26.07N/80.15W

Zone 10B

Average Annual Low 67 F

Average Annual High 84 F

Average Annual Rainfall 62"

 

Riverfront exposure, 1 mile from Atlantic Ocean

Part time in the western mountains of North Carolina

Gratefully, the best of both worlds!

Guest Keith in Zone 9

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Though Joplin's winter is way too cold for the tropical palms featured, last winter the low was 6F and it only fell below 10F twice. My parents live near St Louis and a Needle Palm planted in March 2007 came through unscathed without even the slightest bit of protection. As a kid near St Louis, I experienced temps below -10F a few times, but the zone 6b (0F to -5F) designation generally seemed to capture the climate accurately. Midwest winters are incredibly variable because of the continental climate, but the average low for the last 10 years (or so) has been well above the long term averages. Global warming or just a short term pattern? Who knows just enjoy growing stuff that won't make it long-term. It would be cool if he tried some of the hardiest Sabals, Trachycarpus, and Needles in the ground too. They might make it without protection for a while.

Kris Grand Master

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Dear Terry :)

i really enjoyed your garden stills and the red chip seen on the foot of the trees were very nice to the eyes...and you do have a good collection of palms and the most fasinating still for me would be your family pictures...i.e you,your mom & your twin brother ! And by the way iam my mom's pet... :lol:

thanks for those lovely stills,

lots of love to your family,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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osideterry Grand Master

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Keith - I wish he would mix in hardy stuff as well. Sabals, trachies, washies, chamaerhops, even a butia with protection would work.

Kris - Thanks for the comments. I'm sure the redwood mulch my brother uses has been dyed. It looks like recycled picnic tables.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

oppalm Community Regular

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Friday afternoon I should be working and here I am cruising Palmtalk and see a thread about some nut bag growing palm trees in Missouri. Amazing pics. I am palm tree nut in the midwest but at some point it just becomes too much work to have and keep trees that size. Best of luck.

As I was working my way down the thread I saw seedlings I grew and provided to Larry. It looks like he has taken very good care of them. Looks good.

Kent in Kansas.

Gowing palm trees in the middle of the country - Kansas.

It's hot in the summer (usually) and cold in the winter (always).

Kris Grand Master

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Kris - Thanks for the comments. I'm sure the redwood mulch my brother uses has been dyed. It looks like recycled picnic tables.

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love conquers all..

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amazondk Grand Master

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Great pictures Terry. It is amazing to see such a landscape there.

dk

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_Keith Grand Master

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I see palm trees.

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Woah!!

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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I wonder how this place looks now and was it in the path of the devastating 2011 tornado? (which yesterday by the way was the 5 year anniversary)

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MrTropical Experienced

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Can anyone provide an update?

3-29-2024

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Emerald Isle, North Carolina

USDA Zone 8B/9A - Humid Subtropical (CFA)

kinzyjr Grand Master

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Nothing specific, but a similar thread with a few links that might contain some info:

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/topic/24907-tropical-missouri/

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

palmnut-fry Rising Star

palmnut-fry

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The resources to do this are staggering (not to mention effort to maintain, energy etc).

Just move to Florida already😉

ChicagoPalma Mentor

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16 hours ago, palmnut-fry said:

The resources to do this are staggering (not to mention effort to maintain, energy etc).

Just move to Florida already😉

This is the joy of zone-pushing! Ill be planting a queen this year! IN CHICAGO!

Patrick Veteran

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45 minutes ago, ChicagoPalma said:

This is the joy of zone-pushing! Ill be planting a queen this year! IN CHICAGO!

Palms in Missouri or Illinois is like using military and intelligence in the same sentence...

 

Joking aside, good luck in your adventure.

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Oakley, California

55 Miles E-NE of San Francisco, CA

Solid zone 9, I can expect at least one night in the mid to low twenties every year.

Hot, dry summers. Cold, wet winters.

ChicagoPalma Mentor

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1 hour ago, Patrick said:

Palms in Missouri or Illinois is like using military and intelligence in the same sentence...

 

Joking aside, good luck in your adventure.

Well if you can keep a windmill above freezing for two months in a box, you can keep a queen from freezing.

Patrick Veteran

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42 minutes ago, ChicagoPalma said:

Well if you can keep a windmill above freezing for two months in a box, you can keep a queen from freezing.

Yes, sir! :greenthumb::)

Oakley, California

55 Miles E-NE of San Francisco, CA

Solid zone 9, I can expect at least one night in the mid to low twenties every year.

Hot, dry summers. Cold, wet winters.

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