Pondoland palm -

[palmazon]

Anyone willing to share practical transplant advice unique to Jubaeopsis caffra?

[Kris]

Okay where are the visuals ?

[PalmGuyWC]

You may not get much of a response beause they are so rare, no one has one to move. David Barry had some large ones that were divided and moved. I think they are still around in S. Calif.

Dick

[BS Man about Palms]

Steve in San Diego moved his at least once, I think it did OK then. I believe it was the second move that killed it. Ken Johnson has sage advise, but it's not for the faint hearted or those in a hurry.

Funny, if I was buying a rare palm that took so long to get to size, I'd take as much time as it needs to do it right.

[palmazon]

You may not get much of a response beause they are so rare, no one has one to move. David Barry had some large ones that were divided and moved. I think they are still around in S. Calif.

Dick

Dick - I realize this is an awful question: is Dave Berry still alive? According to an old-timer I know, we owe him a debt of gratitude for introducing Caryota urens into cultivation.

[PalmGuyWC]

Palmazon,

David Barry was one of the pioneers of the Palm Society and a former President in the early days of the PS. He was a wealthy man and had a place in Hawaii, and he also had a nursery in Brentwood. He used to chuckle that his nursery was surrounded by million dollor propertys and high rise office buildings, and he was still paying aggricultural taxes on his property. Mr. Barry was a good friend of Dent Smith, the founder of the PS and they corrosponded often.

Mr. Barry was responsible for introducing many palms into cultivation, and if I'm not mistaken, the first Jubaeopsis into the USA. If I remember correctly he told me that he imported 1000 seeds of Jubaeopsis and only got 3 to germinate. That was in the days when they arrived by surface and not by air. I remember he had some growing in the court yard of an office building next to his nursery. After Mr. Barry passed away, the palms were removed, and I believe split apart. I think the oldest specimens growing in S. Calif. came from those plants, but I don't have the details, but maybe someone else in S. Calif. would remember.

Mr. Barry also was responsible for introducing many new palms and other plants into the USA, such as Rhapis laoensis, and R. Subtilis. Back in the 60's, his was the only nursery to sell Nannorrhops and Trithrinax campestris and other rare palms. My Nannorrhops, T. campestris, and Butia yata growing in Walnut Creek came from Mr. Barry's nursery.

Sorry, I can't help you on the transplanting information.

Dick

[palmazon]

Ken Johnson has sage advise, but it's not for the faint hearted or those in a hurry.

I'm all ears (or eyes in this case)

[BS Man about Palms]

Ken Johnson has sage advise, but it's not for the faint hearted or those in a hurry.

I'm all ears (or eyes in this case)

Ken reads many threads, but not all. Its best to PM him. Same name for FM.

[Ken Johnson]

I avoided this one because Jubes are not specifically in my instruction book.

But Bill has gone and recomended me and now Dan has PM'ed me so let's see what cha got. It will be easy to take a shot at it as I am not going to get paid or have to pick up a shovel. If I screw up it's Bills fault for recomending me!

As all of you know some palms are a snap to transplant and others are the opposite. I like to think anything can be done and when they die I just figure I done it wrong.

Ok lets see pix?

[MattyB]

OK, Ken here it is. Now what.

Are you still speaking to me?

[Ken Johnson]

Send me a ticket?

No realy, looks like a nice bugger. With the wide base the ball will have to be a special shape. You know, follow the outline of the trunks. Don't want it too heavy or you will bruise the trunk when lifting.

In the sand it would be good to box it as you dig it. Then you can lift iy from the box.

Tell me you will be nice and not break up with me again and I will tell you more.

[Tala]

isn't that pic the one at Kopsick? Yeah thats right, in Fla. baby! Coconut trunks are adjacent, all thats missing are the beach bums. Must have a been a deal they couldn't refuse ...

Jubaeopsis is a Cocosoid right? If so they all move easy, very good root regeneration. I imagine some Attalea w/be tricky due to underground bud. Two arms and a decent shovel should suffice, there are no "tricks" for these, just don't slam'em around, bud can shatter.

[BS Man about Palms]

In reality, I suspect THIS would be the target palm. In compact DG, not sand. Mattys sooo helpful at times.

[palmazon]

This may not happen (for me, at least) - a couple of guys calling themselves "Warren B" and Bill G" are taking a look at it tomorrow...

[Ken Johnson]

While I have dug palms at FTBG it is rare that a palm with a permanant name tag gets moved. When I saw Matty's pic I had a feeling he was pulling my leg (or some body part).

Now I know for sure Matty is a trouble maker. Also I know for sure I like him even more.

SO.......... What is the real story here? is this a fishing trip? Who owns the palm? Can Matty get a cut from Bill G.? I am an expensive date what with abalone and milky sake.

Tala has more guts than I do. I even root prune Ptychospermas!

[Tala]

not guts just lucky - we actually have soil (for the first ft or so), no need to blast thru stone. I wish it held like marl, but too sandy. I once hand dug a mature Syagrus X costae from Ft. Myers, might as well pulled it out of a sidewalk w/ all the rock that came up with it. That palm never blinked but by myself so I had to roll it on to the truck and back off it when I got it to O'town. Praise Allah for Excedrin...