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CoCo de Mer

waykoolplantz

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Heres my palm specialist Greg...it weighs 15 lbs (the seed not Greg)

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Planted with protection

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now just pray for 2 years

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The Palm Mahal

Hollywood Fla

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Sweet! How long till germination???

"If you need me, I'll be outside" -Randy Wiesner Palm Beach County, Florida Zone 10Bish

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Walter John Grand Master

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Call me paranoid, but I would've kept that a secret.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

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Call me paranoid, but I would've kept that a secret.

Waykool is a personal friend of mine. So I know a little about his garden and been there many times. He's totally fenced in with an electric gate and lots of freaking big dogs. It's perfectly safe.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

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I'm one of only one or two people that has been to where it was and now where it is. Heres to hoping awesome growth ahead!

Looks great Mike! (I may be turned around, but is that planted on the NW corner of the house?, near the garage?)

BS Man

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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LJG Grand Master

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What, do you want a cookie or something? :lol:

I'm one of only one or two people that has been to where it was and now where it is.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

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_Keith Grand Master

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What, do you want a cookie or something? :lol:

I'm one of only one or two people that has been to where it was and now where it is.

Bill is just proud of his new "X-Ray Spy Glasses"

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Jeff Searle Grand Master

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What, do you want a cookie or something? :lol:

I'm one of only one or two people that has been to where it was and now where it is.

lol!!!! :lol: lol!!!!!! :lol:

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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What, do you want a cookie or something? :lol:

I'm one of only one or two people that has been to where it was and now where it is.

Naw, a pack of "Ding-Dongs" shall suffice. I'm running low.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Mike,

Did you get the seed X-Ray'd? I know that many new owners of a Double Coconut seed have had it done.

Ryan

Many new owners?? :unsure:

Bill...its on the opposite side of the house....by the pool enclosure

The Palm Mahal

Hollywood Fla

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Kris Grand Master

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Dear Mike :)

Great find ! :greenthumb: All the best with that lovely seed,thanks for those lovely stills and keep us all updated on that beauty... :)

lots of love,

Kris :)

By the way your excotic garden is gettting more beautiful as every day goes by... :hmm::lol:

love conquers all..

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What, do you want a cookie or something? :lol:

I'm one of only one or two people that has been to where it was and now where it is.

Naw, a pack of "Ding-Dongs" shall suffice. I'm running low.

So you're saying you want some ding dongs? :huh:

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Waykool,

That's really great. You must be thrilled! Congratulations! As you may know, we have three of them here. I received those three seeds on 20 Nov 1999 and planted them on 24 Nov 1999. I saw the first spike, about an inch tall, on 30 Dec 2000, a little more than 13 months later. The other two broke the surface on the same day, 24 April 2001, exactly 17 months after planting. Seeing the spikes grow quickly, and then open up is pretty incredible. Well, actually, what you see at first is NOT the spike, but a protective sheath (I think that's what it called), and then after a couple of weeks you will see the spike itself. The protective sheath will grow for about 3-4 months to a height of 16 inches or so, and will then stop pushing up. The spike itself will of course keep pushing. On the one that germinated first, this first spike grow to a height of just over 6 ft at the end of August 2001, and then began to open up.

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Kim Grand Master

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What, do you want a cookie or something? :lol:

I'm one of only one or two people that has been to where it was and now where it is.

Naw, a pack of "Ding-Dongs" shall suffice. I'm running low.

So... the reflected glory of the coco de mer seed gets back to BS man as... Ding Dongs? :hmm::rolleyes:

I am just enjoying the look on "palm specialist" Greg's face while holding the fabled seed. Can't wait to see the emergent protective sheath next year.

Even with dogs, I think I'd invest in some spotlights, cameras, alarms, sensors -- just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they don't want to steal my plants!!

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
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micro chip....yeah. that way we can track the thief who dares to steal

That's what they do in the OC...not kidding. Busted a landscaper 'recycling' sagos.

Now this is a real deal right? Or are you trying to confuse the newbies like me. Like in the movie princess bride and the poison scene....if you confuse us then you thow us off the real important stuff

....like how to get a bribe..oops letter... to a cameroon scout. :winkie:

luuv the photos. thanks for sharing and wishing you safe & secure growth.

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Palmarum Grand Master

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waykoolplantz Posted Today, 09:52 AM

Mike,

Did you get the seed X-Ray'd? I know that many new owners of a Double Coconut seed have had it done.

Ryan

Many new owners??

Bill...its on the opposite side of the house....by the pool enclosure

I meant to say the majority of new and would-be owners have had their seed X-Ray'd. The look on a technician's face when someone asks them to x-ray this giant seed in their hands is a sight to see. Nowadays, I think a MRI would provide a better image. I would like to watch someone walk into an MRI facility, double coconut in hand, and ask the person at the counter "excuse me, could you scan my seed?". That would need to be recorded on hidden video.

Ryan

South Florida

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Even with dogs, I think I'd invest in some spotlights, cameras, alarms, sensors -- just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they don't want to steal my plants!!

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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Congratulations, Mike!! I remember you telling me that was the #1 palm on your wish list, and I'm very happy for you. I'm glad it went to someone with the climate and the room for it, and who has taken fantastic care of his thousands of other palms ;).

I'm sure that in addition to the security measures mentioned, there are plenty of others that one wouldn't know about until it hit you! So don't even THINK about it :rage::mrlooney:

I meant to say the majority of new and would-be owners have had their seed X-Ray'd. The look on a technician's face when someone asks them to x-ray this giant seed in their hands is a sight to see. Nowadays, I think a MRI would provide a better image. I would like to watch someone walk into an MRI facility, double coconut in hand, and ask the person at the counter "excuse me, could you scan my seed?". That would need to be recorded on hidden video.

Ryan

An x-ray should only cost about $75-$100 but the problem is what radiologist is going to be able to promise you the seed is viable just from x-ray findings? I would think he would be able to tell its solid just by the feel of it. Actually it would make a pretty good study to compare x-ray interpretations to old-fashioned float test, solid sound on tapping, etc. And MRI- one of those should cost around $5000, at least that's what I've been told at hospitals in which I've worked. That is almost certainly more than the cost of the seed itself (although maybe close :hmm: ). And again, the radiologist would have nothing to compare it to as far as determining viability.

I can picture the look on the people's faces too, a big grin because it will help them pay for their million dollar machine, and I'm sure there would be waivers to sign stating something to the effect of "The sensitivity and specificity of this imaging test for the assessment of viability of Lodoicea maldivica seeds has not been studied and viability cannot be guaranteed." ie don't sue us!

Zone 10B, starting 07/01/2013

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What a beautiful sight! Thanks for posting the photos.

And congratulations too!

Formerly Jeff in Costa Rica
 

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BS Man about Palms

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I don't wanna cookie, I wanna some ding dongs and to watch that seed pop SOMEWHERE. (Inside the locked gate near the pool is just fine!!!) :D

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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I don't wanna cookie, I wanna some ding dongs and to watch that seed pop SOMEWHERE. (Inside the locked gate near the pool is just fine!!!) :D

Better buy a truck load of them Ding Dongs....it will take a while, and even then you won't see anything as it all happens under the nut! :lol:

Evolution Palms-Cycads-Exoticas Nursery - We ship email us at - surferjr1234@hotmail.com - tel 858-775-6822

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Mike,

Congratulations. I have two in the ground that I brought back from Seychelles and its been a little over two years since in the ground and nothing that I can tell. My cousin ( who went with me to Seychelles ) brought a couple himself and one did germinate. The difference between his care of his and my care of mine is water.

He watered his seed practically every day. I recommend that you water the seed...a lot !

Manny

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Manny,

Hey! It's been a while since we last spoke. I'm sorry to hear that neither of your two seeds have come up yet after two years. I often think about yours and your cousin. Maybe someday soon you'll find a new sprout coming up

How about some pictures of your garden? I'm sure you have some nice stuff growing that we all would love to see.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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surgeon83 Posted Yesterday, 09:07 PM

...An x-ray should only cost about $75-$100 but the problem is what radiologist is going to be able to promise you the seed is viable just from x-ray findings?...

It has been a while, but the X-rays I saw were of two different double coconut seeds. One was of a viable seed (which later germinated) and the second, which was of a known 'dud' seed. The radiologist didn't examine the film, he just passed them on and said "good luck". Both films were very similar, except for one faint image. The X-ray of the viable seed showed a dense, white area in the center, near the apex of the seed, where the first protective sheath pops out called an eophyll. The white area was kind of oblong to round, fairly hazy. It was not as white as how bone shows up in an X-ray, but it was noticeable in its location. The 'dud' had a dark, void-like image in the same location, including a few other details. We thought it could have been empty space in the 'dud' or just not very dense, or maybe even moisture or water. The 'dud' had been left outside, in a vain attempt to still germinate it. We figured the white was the density of the embryo growing, but we couldn't be sure unless we cut the seed in half to prove the theory. That wasn't going to happen. It has been about 3 years since I have talked to the owner, he mentioned the palm was doing fine and did not glow in the dark.

This seed needs so much work done on it, but whenever someone gets one, cutting it open is obviously the last thing they think about. Doing any experimentation on the seed would involve quantity, and getting one is hard enough.

Ryan

South Florida

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i was wondering if the xrays increased its chances of germination...

tho its already Xrated :drool:

The Palm Mahal

Hollywood Fla

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Ryan, just curious if you or the owner could tell a difference between the two (knowing one was somewhat hollow and the other not) by weight, density (float test), or different sound when tapping on it, or if the voided out volume was so small as to be otherwise undetectable? Sounds like it may be a useful test, which will be an important thing to know because when Bo-Goran's palms have ripe seeds in 15-20 years and he starts selling them, people are going to ask.

Zone 10B, starting 07/01/2013

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surgeon83 Posted Yesterday, 08:55 AM

Ryan, just curious if you or the owner could tell a difference between the two (knowing one was somewhat hollow and the other not) by weight, density (float test), or different sound when tapping on it, or if the voided out volume was so small as to be otherwise undetectable? Sounds like it may be a useful test, which will be an important thing to know because when Bo-Goran's palms have ripe seeds in 15-20 years and he starts selling them, people are going to ask.

Both seeds were heavy, and from what I can remember (it was about 10 years ago) the viable one was smaller than the dud, and I have seen variability in seed size, so weight might not be a way to tell viability. Both were so heavy, a float test was not tried. Both were dense, and felt the same except for the older texture in the dud, which was very old itself. Never tried tapping on either of them. It would be nice to know the secrets within, but most would not go within to find out. A decent experiment could require a good amount of seed.

Ryan

South Florida

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Ryan, just curious if you or the owner could tell a difference between the two (knowing one was somewhat hollow and the other not) by weight, density (float test), or different sound when tapping on it, or if the voided out volume was so small as to be otherwise undetectable? Sounds like it may be a useful test, which will be an important thing to know because when Bo-Goran's palms have ripe seeds in 15-20 years and he starts selling them, people are going to ask.

Evolution Palms-Cycads-Exoticas Nursery - We ship email us at - surferjr1234@hotmail.com - tel 858-775-6822

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