jubaea x butia" versus "butia x jubaea

[HKO2008]

Dear John,

i suspect it will speed up next year as well. Parajubaea's are very particular about transplanting. So it will take some time for them and a hybrid to get established. Last year it speeded up and i suspect this trend will continue.

Next year more photo's so we can compare.

You have a very valuable hybrid there. That will really give a tropical touch to you garden.

Henri

[iamjv]

Henri, yes I am looking forward to the hybrid picking up. And yes I too think it's a valuable addition to my garden. If I end up moving, this will certainly be one of the palms that I will take with me.... Jv

[Alberto]

Alberto,

My Jubaea blooms in May or June. If you can't find Jubaea pollen, how about Syagrus?

Dick

Hi Dick,

Last I crossed my B. eriospathas with Syagrus romanzoffiana of the tableland of Paraná that has a very similar climate to Santa Catarina. This Syagrus don´t show damage with hard frosts.

[thestales]

i can not wait to try a ButiaxParajubaea but i think i wil wait until the Butia eriospatha hybrids with P. tvt or sunkha are more availeble. if it is true that most of their cold hardines comes from the mother plant than this would be a very interesting palm for my climate. i dont know if B. eriospatha is much hardier to cold than capitata but they do grow faster and seem to have a longer growing season in my climate than B. capitata. Parajubaea toryalli var toryalli only stops growing during the really cold periods and also shows some hardines. my P. tvt also grows fast and has survived -5.9°C without any damage but it was (and now it is again) protected with a roof to keep it dry. a hybrid of these two species with Butia as the mother would result in not only a fast growing cold hardy palm (maybe even faster than both parents?, hybrid vigor )) but also one that would grow almost al the year round. not so many plants grow during our winters and definetely not palm species . the fact that it is also a very good looking plant is a nice bonus. i realy hope they come availeble soon.

I agree. I think all the new Butia hybrids should used the eriospatha pollen, just for the fact that it grows more during cooler weather. I too think that a Eriospatha crossed with a sunka or torallyi (or even the santa catarina queen) could be the golden ticket to a cold hardy, cool hardy palm that keeps growing as long as there is enough light and the temps get into the teens celcius. This would allow pacific northwest growers and cooler parts of europe to have a queen/coco type palm that doesn't need to be babied or won't loose several fronds every winter and have to regrow during the summer.

I can't wait for the fast growing, cool tolerant, pinnate palm. I guess I will have to contact mr. shaffer.

[PalmGuyWC]

The only reason there are no B eriospatha cocoid hybrids coming from N. Calif. is because there is only one mature, blooming eriospatha that I know of in N. Calif. It's growing in the palm society palmatum in Oakland and it's a public park. It would be best to use B eriospatha as the mother plant, but the seeds would surely be stolen or the squirrels would get them.

I suppose the pollen from B. eriospatha could be used to cross with Syagrus or Jubaea, but we are not sure just how cold hardy a Syagrus mother would be since they have not been cold tested. It is not practicle to use Parajubaea as a mother plant as the flowers on the ones growing in the Bay Area are to tall to reach and it takes to long for Parajubaea seeds to germinate. There is also a lack of mature, blooming Parajubaeas to work with in the Bay Area, but I'm sure there will be many in the coming years.

Dick

[iamjv]

Dick, you and Patric should try using that eriospatha pollen on your jubs.... no doubt it would be even better in reverse but considering there isn't a secure eriospatha available.... Jv

[Tepeyac]

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