Syagrus x Jubaea

[HKO2008]

Dear people,

i am sure Patrick has done a Syagrus x Jubaea cross. I am also sure it will make a very beautifull and hardy palm hybrid, maybe better than Syagrus x Butia. Does anybody have more information on this cross? Does Syagrus take jubaea pollen easily? What about the looks, growth rate? Possible predictions are also welcome. Anybody?

Greetings,

Henri

[PalmGuyWC]

Henri,

Patrick has crossed Syagrus X Jubaea, but the seedlings are to small to determine what they will look like. It would only be speculation what they might look like. Presently they only have 1 or 2 juvinile fronds.

Patrick has also crossed Jubaea X Syagrus, but only a very small percentage of the seeds were viable. It's very difficult to get Jubaea to take foreign pollen. I have a small Jubaea X Syagrus (Jubeagrus) and it's very slow growing. It's a stubby looking little plant and is very dark green and has a heavy leaf texture like Jubaea. It only has strap fronds now.

Dick

[Mark Heath]

Hello Dick,

I knew you would chime in on this thread!!! I have a question. If i was to get my hands on Jubaea pollen,, would it be worth it to hit one of my Queens w/ it????? Does Syagrus accept Jubaea pollen?? I've tried Butia pollen several times without luck. I'm just wondering if i should use the whole batch of Jubaea pollen on my Butia or not. I really want to try it, but it's a pain in the patooty to get Jubaea pollen, so i don't want to waist it!!

[Gtlevine]

I have been interested in this cross for a long time. Patrick sold me a Jubae x Syagrus several months ago and it has 5 strap leaves. I will plant it in the ground next spring and will keep everyone posted on it's progress. I planted two similar size Jubutyagrus that were obtained from Patrick and one year in the ground the leaves are already pinnate. You asked about Jubaea pollen, but Patrick used the queen pollen on the Jubaea to create the hybrid. This is a very exciting palm in my collection, I definately am looking forward to getting it started.

Gary

[Mark Heath]

I have been interested in this cross for a long time. Patrick sold me a Jubae x Syagrus several months ago and it has 5 strap leaves. I will plant it in the ground next spring and will keep everyone posted on it's progress. I planted two similar size Jubutyagrus that were obtained from Patrick and one year in the ground the leaves are already pinnate. You asked about Jubaea pollen, but Patrick used the queen pollen on the Jubaea to create the hybrid. This is a very exciting palm in my collection, I definately am looking forward to getting it started.

Gary

Hello Gary,

Yes i did ask about Jubaea pollen. It was written by the guy who started this thread and also Dick,, Syagrus X Jubaea.

When you cross two palms of different genus you use the parent palm first, the palm that supplies the pollen second. The hybrid that you have is a Jubaea X Syagrus. You lucky dog, i wish i had one!!! I don't have a flowering Jubaea here so i have to use Jubaea pollen on one of my Queens, i have no choice. You guys in California have the luxury of growing beautifull Jubaeas!!!! I would prefer to hit a Jubaea w/ Syagrus pollen,, but alas,,,,, !!!! Please keep us posted as to it's progress!!!

BTW, do you have a pic??????

[Nigel]

When I left the UK for Brazil I sold my JubaeaxSyagrus to Charles in Portugal.

It was beginning to show considerable vigour and looking every bit as promising as the Butia xPaerajubaea ,in fact it was my favourite plant.

I think it is an even more promising cross for us here in the cold north than the Butia x Parajub.

[iamjv]

Hey Nigel, good seeing a post from you. I remember that Charles posted pics of the hybrids he got from you... do you happen to remember what thread that was???? I searched for it but didn't find it.... maybe if you have some pics of this hybrid, then please post them here. Good luck down south... Jv

[HKO2008]

Thank all for the information.

I never would have thought that a jubaea x syagrus would show that much vigour, considering the fact that it has jubaea as it's mum. I would think that syagrus x jubaea should show even more vigour?

I started this thread, because everybody is talking about butia x syagrus. However, i find the leaves of jubaea to be even more tropical looking than butia. I would suspect that syagrus x juabaea could even look more tropical looking than butia x syagrus, although it is in the eye of the beholder ofcourse.

i would be very, very interested in pictures if anyone can provide them.

Henri

[Charles Wychgel]

[quote name='HKO2008' date='Nov 15 2008, 08:09 AM' post='254815'

i would be very, very interested in pictures if anyone can provide them.

Henri

[iamjv]

Charles, thanks for reposting the shots and link. Jv

[PalmGuyWC]

Mark,

If you want a sure thing, I would cross Butia with Jubaea. Butias seem to be the most receptive to foreign pollens. Syarus are more difficult to cross, but Patrick has crossed Syagrus X Jubaea, but they are all small seedlings and he says the seedlings look like Syagrus, so he is suspicious it might not be a good cross. Time will tell.

Regarding my Jubaea X Syagrus cross, it's growth has been very slow, but maybe it will speed up once the base of the plant starts to enlarge. I just moved it from a 1 gal. to a 5 gal. pot. It had a nice root system so I figgured it needed more room for the roots. I'd like to get it in the ground next spring as it seems all of the hybrids speed up once put into the ground. With my fickle climate I'm super cautious, so I usually wait until the plants are a good 5 gal size and have grown a couple of divided fronds before planting.

Charles must have the largest Jubaea X Syagrus on the planet. I'm surprised the fronds are so rigid but I guess it has more Jubaea traits than Syagrus.

Dick

[Gtlevine]

Here is my Jubaea x Syagrus from Patrick. I also just potted it up to a five gallon a couple months ago.

Gary

[Mark Heath]

Thanks for the reply Dick!

I'll do that, i'll hit my Butia w/ the Jubaea pollen. I do want to try the Syagrus X Jubaea cross but i don't want to be a bother to my buddy Martin w/ asking for more pollen. I'll just give Martin a boatload of Queen pollen and let him perform the cross!!! He has done very well w/ hybreeding in the past so i know that him and i can't wait for his Jubaea to produce inflorescenses. BXJ is a sure thing for me.

[PalmGuyWC]

Gary,

Your Jubeagrus is larger than mine. Yours must be a year older. Mine has been awfully pokey, but I've hard grown it in bright sun on my deck and it's kind of stubby. I think it's going to be kind of a weird looking palm and distinct from all the other cocoid hybrids. I planted a Bujubagrus, 5 gal size last year, and it's begining to move pretty fast. They all seem to speed up in growth once in the ground.

Mark, good luck on your Bujubaea cross. Does anyone have any good sized Bujubaeas in your area? I'm curious how they grow in almost tropical Florida.

Dick

[ricky]

wow what a strange looking palm it looks just like a jubaea but more streched out it will be very intresting to see what it turns in to i do have a few diffrant hybrids and will try to post pics over the coming week i wish i could have got this one

ricky

[Charles Wychgel]

Charles must have the largest Jubaea X Syagrus on the planet. I'm surprised the fronds are so rigid but I guess it has more Jubaea traits than Syagrus.

Nigel should get the credit for bringing up this palm, it was just passed on to me and all I did was plonk it in the ground !

Dick surely there must be more of this size specimen in the US as this was not the only one that Patrick made?

As you say you have one, I have one Gary too so where are the others?

[PalmGuyWC]

Charles,

As I understand, Patrick only had 7 of the Jubaea X Syagrus seeds to germinate. It's a very rare hybrid. He may have more recent ones, but I'm not sure. I'm sure the one Nigel had was one of the first, and now you have the largest one I know of. I know of no large specimans growing in the USA. There was one growing at Fairchild Gardens, but it got wiped out with hurricane Andrew.

Dick

[Charles Wychgel]

Thanks for the info Dick, I did not know it was that rare.

Now we will wait for it to seed..quizas,quizas,quizas

[Mark Heath]

Dick,

Next time i go to downtown Orlando i'll take a pic of a massive BXJ. Erik has tried to germinate the seeds w/ no success

unfortunatly. Every time i go by there i allways bring my polesaw to snag an inflorescence but i allways catch it too late or too early. I'm 30 miles east from downtown so i don't visit there much. I would love to pollinate the inflorescence w/

Queen pollen mainly, but i would need help from Erik w/ him telling me the right time to go and hit it. It's in the Lake Eola Park so you might be able to google a pic.

[Nigel]

Charles must have the largest Jubaea X Syagrus on the planet. I'm surprised the fronds are so rigid but I guess it has more Jubaea traits than Syagrus.

Nigel should get the credit for bringing up this palm, it was just passed on to me and all I did was plonk it in the ground !

Dick surely there must be more of this size specimen in the US as this was not the only one that Patrick made?

As you say you have one, I have one Gary too so where are the others?

Well the fact that I grew the thing so fast in such a filthy cold ruinous climate compared to the others in warm climates shows just how promising this palm is for northern europe.

[HKO2008]

To all,

thanks for the information, the photo's, more information and more photo's. I am soaking in everything like a muscito. What a beautifull palm tree and so promising for western Europe. Unbelievable. I hope some day there will be more of this hybrid, but i am not counting on high quantities.

Henri

[psy460]

hello all,

Last year i had a chance to out my hands on queen x jubaea made by Patrix. 

here is some pictures i took.

 

april 2022

August 2022

 

september 2023

 

october 2023

 

December 2023

February 2023

next to common romanzoffiana 

[RJ]

I actually thought patrix stopped doing the cross. Conclusion was the cross was a dud. Interesting to see how this one comes out. Congrats 👍

[psy460]

i don't see jubaea look at all there. 

it's very different than regular queen but i would say it's a different syagrus species than romanzoffiana. let see when it will get bigger, it grow very very fast, a way faster than my other queen palms. 

[RJ]

34 minutes ago, psy460 said:

i don't see jubaea look at all there. 

it's very different than regular queen but i would say it's a different syagrus species than romanzoffiana. let see when it will get bigger, it grow very very fast, a way faster than my other queen palms. 

It does look very queen to me, but I’ve never seen this cross before. All I’ve read is that it was a dud, and that’s why patrix stopped making…. Or thought. 
 

if it’s already going plumose then I’d be suspect. 

[psy460]

yes, every other i seen in pictures was 100% the same than common queen. 

this one is a little bit different, that why i bought it. but i don't think it's queen x jub. 

- it's completely covered by white tomentum, even under leaflets.

 -old leaf boots are still stuck, no way to pull it whereas usually it came of easily. 

- leaflets are very different than my other queen palm, more thin but stiffier, and a bit curved

- petioles are more curved than usually. 

i would like to know which species it is exactly 

[Little Tex]

I don't think your a time traveler haha,

but just to clarify are all your dates actually one year behind what was stated?

This plant is very intresting especially with pinnate leaves at that size which isnt common for either species (but not impossible).

[psy460]

damn sorry,  i feel so stupid... yes it from april 2022 to February 2023. 

hopefully it grow fast, i will put it in the ground in the next weeks, i hope that it will get a way bigger while summer. 

 

[Meangreen94z]

5 hours ago, RJ said:

It does look very queen to me, but I’ve never seen this cross before. All I’ve read is that it was a dud, and that’s why patrix stopped making…. Or thought. 
 

if it’s already going plumose then I’d be suspect. 

He had a low yield of viable seed, but the palm was far from a dud. From what he said his source for nearby Jubaea pollen Dick, who posted earlier in this thread,  passed away.

 

[RJ]

1 hour ago, Meangreen94z said:

He had a low yield of viable seed, but the palm was far from a dud. From what he said his source for nearby Jubaea pollen Dick, who posted earlier in this thread,  passed away.

 

 

 

 

With all do respect, this is about the reverse cross. I own jxs , the title is sxj. 

 

12 hours ago, psy460 said:

hello all,

Last year i had a chance to out my hands on queen x jubaea made by Patrix. 

here is some pictures i took.

 

[psy460]

yes here we speak about queen x jubaea, on your picture it's a jubaea x queen. 

[RJ]

4 hours ago, psy460 said:

yes here we speak about queen x jubaea, on your picture it's a jubaea x queen. 

Did you purchase it directly from Patrick?

[psy460]

from a friend who ordered it directly from schaffer yes it was by the end of 2019

[kristof p]

14 hours ago, Meangreen94z said:

He had a low yield of viable seed, but the palm was far from a dud. From what he said his source for nearby Jubaea pollen Dick, who posted earlier in this thread,  passed away.

 

that is a realy nice palm. It has the looks of a Parajubaea or is this just me who sees this? 😛

[psy460]

yes i agree haha. jubaea x syagrus is an amazing cross too, i would really like to get one.