Hedyscepe canterburyana

[mppalms]

My (short) experience with Hedyscepe canterburyana is pretty good in my climate. In summer, we have short heat waves to as high as 104 deg. F (40 deg. C). Perhaps the key factor is the night-time temps, which always dip to around 52-66 deg. F (11-19 deg. C), usually on the lower end of that range, due to the cold breeze of the Pacific Ocean. These palms don't seem to appreciate the super-high temps, but I give them some shade, and I haven't lost one. They are also solid to about 28 deg. F (-2 deg. C), though I can't vouch for anything lower than that. Clark's experience is that 24 deg. F is o.k., and I will be thrilled if that is the case for the bulk of these plants. Maybe he has a great clone.

Jason

[pogobob]

Pogobob, Charles, Nelson & tyrone, thanks for your comments.

Pogobob, unfortunately i can't put them outside because it's winter here now and temperatures go to 41F/5°C these days and will go even lower next month and in January.

So that's the reason i have have to keep them inside to germinate.

Pivi... they like it COOOOL! High 30's and 40's F is what I expect every winter and Hedycepe thrives. Seedlings grow as escapees in the ground as well as in outdoor community pots. Take them inside and you may have problems. Like I said before, I been doing for a long time with these buggers

[Pivi]

Pogobob i understand you with seedlings / palm growth temperatures.

But when we talk about seeds that need to germinate i don't see how would outside temperatures in the next 3 moths do any good, as we won't have high enough temperatures (17-20) which i understand is the best for this seed to germinate.

We'll have night temperatures from 32-41F (0-5°C) during december, january and probably ferburary.

And day temperatures that probably most of the time during winter in shade won't pass over 51F (around 10.5°C).

I understand that seedlings would probably love it, but germinating seeds is i guess another story. I doubt that these temperatures would provide any benefit for these seeds to germinate.

So i would probably have 3 lost months...when March comes, i guess seeds would love it outside.

What medium do you use for germination of these?

Thanks for you suggestions and opinions.

Edited November 27, 2008 by Pivi

[pogobob]

Pogobob i understand you with seedlings / palm growth temperatures.

But when we talk about seeds that need to germinate i don't see how would outside temperatures in the next 3 moths do any good, as we won't have high enough temperatures (17-20) which i understand is the best for this seed to germinate.

We'll have night temperatures from 32-41F (0-5°C) during december, january and probably ferburary.

And day temperatures that probably most of the time during winter in shade won't pass over 51F (around 10.5°C).

I understand that seedlings would probably love it, but germinating seeds is i guess another story. I doubt that these temperatures would provide any benefit for these seeds to germinate.

So i would probably have 3 lost months...when March comes, i guess seeds would love it outside.

What medium do you use for germination of these?

Thanks for you suggestions and opinions.

Ok, I just realized something very important. You are in possesion of seed produced in Lord Howe Isl, opposite season from us in the northern hemisphere. It is late spring down there when hede seed ripen, my seed ripens late spring up here and they germinate by fall or winter BINGO! I haven't ever tried seed from the southern hemi. I still think you should at least keep them in a cool place like maybe a garden window. Use a course mix of equal parts perlite, sand, and good potting soil. This is palm that grows at pretty much the same rate all year round, regardless if it's a seedling or mature tree.

[tropicalb]

LISTEN to Bob, because he is right when it comes to how to germinate these seeds in SoCal....i jacked up the hedy seeds I got from him last year by placing them in my greenhouse this spring....didn't know better

[Urban Rainforest]

Pogobob i understand you with seedlings / palm growth temperatures.

But when we talk about seeds that need to germinate i don't see how would outside temperatures in the next 3 moths do any good, as we won't have high enough temperatures (17-20) which i understand is the best for this seed to germinate.

We'll have night temperatures from 32-41F (0-5°C) during december, january and probably ferburary.

And day temperatures that probably most of the time during winter in shade won't pass over 51F (around 10.5°C).

I understand that seedlings would probably love it, but germinating seeds is i guess another story. I doubt that these temperatures would provide any benefit for these seeds to germinate.

So i would probably have 3 lost months...when March comes, i guess seeds would love it outside.

What medium do you use for germination of these?

Thanks for you suggestions and opinions.

Ok, I just realized something very important. You are in possesion of seed produced in Lord Howe Isl, opposite season from us in the northern hemisphere. It is late spring down there when hede seed ripen, my seed ripens late spring up here and they germinate by fall or winter BINGO! I haven't ever tried seed from the southern hemi. I still think you should at least keep them in a cool place like maybe a garden window. Use a course mix of equal parts perlite, sand, and good potting soil. This is palm that grows at pretty much the same rate all year round, regardless if it's a seedling or mature tree.

Pivi, Pogo hit the nail on the head. These seed like it cool. My first attempt at germination was with 100 internet seed that I tried to get to pop using my polystyrene germination boxes that I use succesfully for all my seed. I place the boxes in my workshop that gets hot during most days as it has no insulation. Well it was too hot for the hedys and I got maybe 5 out of 100 to pop. Not sure how fresh the seed was though. I tried again with fresh seed from Pogo in comunity pots placed on the floor of my shadehouse where it stays cool and I am getting very high rates of germination. Just bury them half way lenghth wise like a Cycad seed and keep moist. Mother nature will take over from there. Good luck!

Stevo

[Pivi]

Thanks guys for you suggestions!

Ok, I just realized something very important. You are in possesion of seed produced in Lord Howe Isl, opposite season from us in the northern hemisphere. It is late spring down there when hede seed ripen, my seed ripens late spring up here and they germinate by fall or winter BINGO! I haven't ever tried seed from the southern hemi. I still think you should at least keep them in a cool place like maybe a garden window. Use a course mix of equal parts perlite, sand, and good potting soil. This is palm that grows at pretty much the same rate all year round, regardless if it's a seedling or mature tree.

Yes Pogobob, it sounds wright seeds like it outside from spring, and would germinate by fall.

I take your advice they like it cool, but i'm note sure 32-41F / 0-5°C (our night winter temperatures) is cool, i would call it COLD.

What temperature range do you think is best?

LISTEN to Bob, because he is right when it comes to how to germinate these seeds in SoCal....i jacked up the hedy seeds I got from him last year by placing them in my greenhouse this spring....didn't know better

Sorry to hear that. Yes i would think they were toasted in greenhouse during spring and summer.

Pivi, Pogo hit the nail on the head. These seed like it cool. My first attempt at germination was with 100 internet seed that I tried to get to pop using my polystyrene germination boxes that I use succesfully for all my seed. I place the boxes in my workshop that gets hot during most days as it has no insulation. Well it was too hot for the hedys and I got maybe 5 out of 100 to pop. Not sure how fresh the seed was though. I tried again with fresh seed from Pogo in comunity pots placed on the floor of my shadehouse where it stays cool and I am getting very high rates of germination. Just bury them half way lenghth wise like a Cycad seed and keep moist. Mother nature will take over from there. Good luck!

Stevo

Stevo, i guess you got seeds from pogobob in spring.

What temperature range is on the floor of your shadehouse?

Thank you for the advice how to sow them, like cyad seed half buried in the soil. I was wondering how to to do it bury them half an inch under the soil or just half way.

Thanks

Edited November 28, 2008 by Pivi

[Pivi]

Yes Pogobob, it sounds wright seeds like it outside from spring, and would germinate by fall.

I take your advice they like it cool, but i'm note sure 32-41F / 0-5°C (our night winter temperatures) is cool, i would call it COLD.

What temperature range do you think is best?

Stevo, i guess you got seeds from pogobob in spring.

What temperature range is on the floor of your shadehouse?

Thanks

Todays after 2 day soaking i tried to clean a few seeds. It's really hard to clean them.

Will the fruit become softer after a week soaking?

Edited November 28, 2008 by Pivi

[surferjr]

Yes Pogobob, it sounds wright seeds like it outside from spring, and would germinate by fall.

I take your advice they like it cool, but i'm note sure 32-41F / 0-5°C (our night winter temperatures) is cool, i would call it COLD.

What temperature range do you think is best?

Stevo, i guess you got seeds from pogobob in spring.

What temperature range is on the floor of your shadehouse?

Thanks

Todays after 2 day soaking i tried to clean a few seeds. It's really hard to clean them.

Will the fruit become softer after a week soaking?

Just keep soaking them...it will loosen up!

best,

clark

[Pivi]

I hope they will Clark!

A week should do it.

ps. i didn't know hedy seed has a canal on it. Before i cleaned one.

[surferjr]

I hope they will Clark!

A week should do it.

ps. i didn't know hedy seed has a canal on it. Before i cleaned one.

Or try some warm/hot water!

[Pivi]

no hot water clark.

I don't want to use any higher temperatures with these seeds.

will keep them between 16 and 21°C (61-70F).

Edited November 28, 2008 by Pivi

[pogobob]

I hope they will Clark!

A week should do it.

ps. i didn't know hedy seed has a canal on it. Before i cleaned one.

Kiss that one bye bye! why don't you shave your head till your brains fall out

[Pivi]

Pogobob i think you see it wrong. Picture in not really good.

I didn't shave it that much. Those "bumps" you see it still remaining fruit fibers.

Edited November 29, 2008 by Pivi

[surferjr]

Pogobob i think you see it wrong. Picture in not really good.

I didn't shave it that much. Those "bumps" you see it still remaining fruit fibers.

Ya Pogobob often sees it wrong it's all them Bohemians in the hot tub. :floor:

[Pivi]

Pogobob should cut his hair. As i can see he has a phobia. Pogobobphobia

Phobia of cutting hair.

Edited November 29, 2008 by Pivi

[Urban Rainforest]

Pivi bra, I think your trying to make this more difficult than it needs to be. These seeds are so easy to germinate that trained monkeys could do it . Seed that I plant in com pots I don't even clean the fruit off. It dissapears in no time. In fact with no heat in a com pot it might be beneficial to leave the fruit on. I get better germ rates from Rhopies by leaving the fruit on as well. In nature there is no one to clean the fruit off and they have been getting along just fine (at least until rats were introduced). Save the bag of tricks for Bejofo and Lemur seed .

Good luck,

Stevo

[Pivi]

i got you...

[Pivi]

just for you Pogobob. Shave them!

[Pivi]

Put them in germination boxes yesterday. Didn't have any perlite at the moment but i guess peat moss will do it.

I'll let you know when i get some to pop up.

[pogobob]

good luck with your shaved nuts , I'll send you a couple of free seeds when their ripe if you promise to germinate them my way...you seem to have a passion for my favorite palm young blood!

p.s. how many seeds did you get?

Pogo

[paulgila]

they look like they should taste like pumpkin.

do they?

[Pivi]

good luck with your shaved nuts , I'll send you a couple of free seeds when their ripe if you promise to germinate them my way...you seem to have a passion for my favorite palm young blood!

p.s. how many seeds did you get?

Pogo

Hahaha.

Yeah, yeah... we'll see.

How many did i get? Enough. 40.

So you think they won't germinate just because i "shaved" them?

I cleaned them like i clean any other palm seeds. Remove the mesocarp. What you see on the picture is untouched endocarp/untouched seed.

Didn't have any problems by now, so i don't see why should this one be any different.

Some member of this forum clean their seeds, some don't.

This is just an ordinary cleaned seed.

But don't worry, if it turns out you're wright, i'll declare myself crazy and order more from you in spring

ps. nice avatar. Is that your dog?

Edited December 5, 2008 by Pivi

[Pivi]

Or try some warm/hot water!

Clark do you also put all your seeds in warm water?

No, i guess you use boiling water. I guess you water your palms with boiling water too...

[palmazon]

piwi - I've germinated Hedyscepe seed from 3 different sources (including pogoknob) over the last 5 years; they're absolutely correct when they tell you no need to clean off the pulp - stick them in loose dirt, shade, & a little moisture and you'll get sprouts in 4-6 months

[Pivi]

I believe there is no need to clean the seed... but i don't beleive (what pogobob is pointing out to me) that by cleaning these seeds i ruined them.

[pogobob]

good luck with your shaved nuts , I'll send you a couple of free seeds when their ripe if you promise to germinate them my way...you seem to have a passion for my favorite palm young blood!

p.s. how many seeds did you get?

Pogo

Hahaha.

Yeah, yeah... we'll see.

How many did i get? Enough. 40.

So you think they won't germinate just because i "shaved" them?

I cleaned them like i clean any other palm seeds. Remove the mesocarp. What you see on the picture is untouched endocarp/untouched seed.

Didn't have any problems by now, so i don't see why should this one be any different.

Some member of this forum clean their seeds, some don't.

This is just an ordinary cleaned seed.

But don't worry, if it turns out you're wright, i'll declare myself crazy and order more from you in spring

ps. nice avatar. Is that your dog?

Yes, that's Bradens wonderdog Lobo, 8mo old siberian husky spreading Christmas spirit to all.

[Pivi]

No signs of germination yet, so i decided to cut one to see what underside

Embrio seems like it will brake through soon (ok, not this one but on other seeds). What do you think?

Edited June 3, 2009 by Pivi

[Pivi]

No "germinators" around here, ha?

[edric]

just for you Pogobob. Shave them!

That is so cool, a tape measurer that you can't read, just kidding, Ed

[Pivi]

But i don't get it, your joke.

Can't read?

[edric]

But i don't get it, your joke.

Can't read?

I'm an old framer, a construction worker, I live in the U.S., where only doctors and scientist can read metric, just kidding again, I know that 2.54 cm = an inch, and 39. something inches = a meter, but only about ten percent of all Americans can tell you so, if that, so it's amusing to me when I see a metric tape, We used to laugh like crazy when one of the workers would buy a tape on sale, only to get on the job, and find out that one side was metric, or even worse the whole thing, if they had no receipt, off the ten or twelve floor it would go! Ed

[Pivi]

[Tassie_Troy1971]

No "germinators" around here, ha?

Any germinated yet ?

[Tassie_Troy1971]

Hmm i guess not !

[John in Andalucia]

Well, I' ll post my photo again from several days ago. I didn't see this topic when I started mine, but it' s more appropriate here..

These were purchased from RPS at the beginning of February. Now all finished popping and I have 88/100. They should pick up now the nights are cooler.

[pogobob]

Well, I' ll post my photo again from several days ago. I didn't see this topic when I started mine, but it' s more appropriate here..

These were purchased from RPS at the beginning of February. Now all finished popping and I have 88/100. They should pick up now the nights are cooler.

Pivi, any update on your shaved nnn err seeds?

[Palm Guy]

Growing a few of these myself...Not too finicky here in Bermuda... survived two summers already so I think long term viability possible here.

Will agree with Dean's comment. Some are really chuggin along and a few of mine have some leaf spots. Depends on the plant. Lost one or two myself while others doing better than most of my other palms.

Still small plants in second year of growth. One in ground is doing lovely. Transplanted it in August just pushing another spear. Handles days in the 86-84F range with 80 -78F lows more proof of their ability to handle warm weather or lack of cool temps. Highest temp this summer was only 88F though. Not sure if it could take 90 F plus on a regular. Definitely speeds up during winter months when days are in the 72-68F and nights in the 63-57F range. Same goes for the Rhopies and Jubaeas I'm trying here...

Will post pics of some 2-3yr olds shortly.

Cheers,

Mike

[Pivi]

No "germinators" around here, ha?

Any germinated yet ?

Only 3 germinations for now. But the seeds look good inside so i guess i just have to wait...

They were in shade this summer maybe i should have given them more sun. Also germination medium is not very good.

Oh, i'll wait

John, your results are great

Edited November 8, 2009 by Pivi

[Tassie_Troy1971]

No "germinators" around here, ha?

Any germinated yet ?

Only 3 germinations for now. But the seeds look good inside so i guess i just have to wait...

They were in shade this summer maybe i should have given them more sun. Also germination medium is not very good.

Oh, i'll wait

John, your results are great

Good that you have a few that germinated of this beautiful palm