bizmarkia in dallas

[GREENHAND]

This is the third year this bizzy has been in the ground and is doing fine. tucked in by this fence and out of the wind it never misses a lick. it just gets wrapped up with blankets every time it gets cold. one tough palm . it should be good for another summer just need to make it another few weeks and it will be in the clear.

[millic]

I see heartbreak in your future.

[Jeff Searle]

I see heartbreak in your future.

I agree.....

But if this is what gives you pleasure, than that's all that matters. But dosen't it snow in Dallas?

Jeff

[FRITO]

Greenhand, nice bizzie. any shots of when you planted it?

Bizzies are tough. mine will be 2 fulls years in march. there are a few growing in town for at least 4 winters.

dont get too attached to it though, it is only a matter of time until mother nature eventually claims it back.

[_Keith]

Go for it Greenhand. Just keep those blankets at hand.

[buffy]

Dead Palm Walking (or Growing)

[FRITO]

Dead Palm Walking (or Growing)

Kyle said it best, nothing lives forever.

[NBTX11]

While I agree that palm will die one day, winters lately in Dallas have been mild. They usually get big rebounds from cold. Many winters the FL panhandle can have lower minimums. And yes, they do get snow, but it is very rare - once a winter, maybe, sometimes not, sometimes only a little sleet or ice once/twice a winter. Just as frequent or moreso are warm 70F days mid winter. Winter lows have been in the 20s last couple winters - Tallahassee FL recently got into the lower teens.

[buffy]

Dead Palm Walking (or Growing)

Kyle said it best, nothing lives forever.

Who's Kyle. My name is Cameron. ;0

[FRITO]

Hi Cameron!

Kyle in gainesville growing the palms at UF

[GREENHAND]

O yes it will get it sooner or later. but wont we all! it was dirt cheap at Home depot , and pretty small when it was planted. i think the lowest temp it has seen is about 20 deg or so. believe me i would not spend a lot of money for something that i know not last very long. every winter that it makes it means it gets enjoyed another summer. i do believe that the bigger it gets the better chances of survival. the last ice storm we had a couple of weeks ago it had ice all over it with no apperant damage. but the trunk was wrapped up.

[TikiRick]

Hey,

If it gives you enjoyment and pleasure all spring, summer, and fall, I say go for it.

We are ALL pushing the limits in one way or another....

[GREENHAND]

Hey,

If it gives you enjoyment and pleasure all spring, summer, and fall, I say go for it.

We are ALL pushing the limits in one way or another....

you got that right Tiki.

[el-blanco]

"Tuff" crowd! I looks great to me and I say plant another out in the open to see what happens! Jeff

[Kris]

Dear Green

The condition is same here for me,but i keep trying with washy filifera's & Med fan's...they seem to rot during our wet winters.But this has not broken my resolve yet.just a hope that some freak amoung the washy or med fan eventually grow some day for me !

Love,

Kris

[GREENHAND]

Dear Green

The condition is same here for me,but i keep trying with washy filifera's & Med fan's...they seem to rot during our wet winters.But this has not broken my resolve yet.just a hope that some freak amoung the washy or med fan eventually grow some day for me !

Love,

Kris

I know Kris i had a Med fan that died of to much water i planted it in a low spot were water ponded. the roots rotted.

[ghar41]

I havent had much success with it here.

Who was it that posted the pictures of Roystonea regias in Houston? Aren't there some Wodeytia bifurcata's in the Houston or San Antonio area that have done well for a number of years? Neither of those palms grow anywhere in Northern California.

Those areas have more severe freezes than we do, but they have a greater number of warm days. Ditto Orlando.

I realize Dallas is much colder than these places but maybe there are enough warm days in Dallas for a Bizzy? For awhile anyway. Thing is, eventually youll need a blanket the size of Texas to cover it

[GREENHAND]

I havent had much success with it here.

Who was it that posted the pictures of Roystonea regias in Houston? Aren't there some Wodeytia bifurcata's in the Houston or San Antonio area that have done well for a number of years? Neither of those palms grow anywhere in Northern California.

Those areas have more severe freezes than we do, but they have a greater number of warm days. Ditto Orlando.

I realize Dallas is much colder than these places but maybe there are enough warm days in Dallas for a Bizzy? For awhile anyway. Thing is, eventually youll need a blanket the size of Texas to cover it

Its been pretty mild for the past few winters here, and it rarely stays below freezing for very long , for example it is 74 deg today and warm for the next ten days. although i havent seen any for sale here since they were selling them here at Home depot a couple of summers ago.

[millic]

Hey don't let all these posts get to you including mine, which was in jest. I'm growing a couple of Hyophorbe lagenicaulis, Actinokentia divaricata, Archontophoenix purpurea, and a Pritchardia hillebrandii among other things. Whats the fun in only growing something that you can find in everyone else's yard??

Also, at Lowes last year I saw a couple of 10 ft tall Queens, a few Bizzies and a couple of Bottle palms. I commented to my wife that those were some expensive annuals.

[ghar41]

I havent had much success with it here.

Who was it that posted the pictures of Roystonea regias in Houston? Aren't there some Wodeytia bifurcata's in the Houston or San Antonio area that have done well for a number of years? Neither of those palms grow anywhere in Northern California.

Those areas have more severe freezes than we do, but they have a greater number of warm days. Ditto Orlando.

I realize Dallas is much colder than these places but maybe there are enough warm days in Dallas for a Bizzy? For awhile anyway. Thing is, eventually youll need a blanket the size of Texas to cover it

Its been pretty mild for the past few winters here, and it rarely stays below freezing for very long , for example it is 74 deg today and warm for the next ten days. although i havent seen any for sale here since they were selling them here at Home depot a couple of summers ago.

Thats just it...maybe the number of warm days is more important than the low temps. Seems to be the case with R. regia and W. bifurcata. I give lots of marginal palms a try. There are Archontophoenix cunninghamianas here that I planted over 10 years ago. It's been long enough already for me to enjoy them. I have one in my yard that flowered this past summer.

As far as climate goes, the past few winters are not indicators of climate. I could get 19F next week, you could get 5F or 7F or whatever. Who cares? I don't grow palms in anticipation of those events.

See if it'll grow now. Enjoy it.

[DoomsDave]

Greenie!

Great Bizzie . . . .

But, enjoy it while you can, since life is fleeting, especially for Bizzies in Dallas.

Alas!

[Matt N- Dallas]

Nice plant Greenhand. I say go for it and enjoy while you can! We could have another 1980's blast this year or it could arrive several decades from now. There is a guy in my neighborhood 'oakcliff' that has two potted bizzies that have been growing outdoors against a wall for two and a half years. I have a queen that has been in ground for two years- was not damaged last winter or this one (so far). It had been a houseplant for 20 years and grew too large to fit back in the house or green house. I know it's on borrowed time but I'm enjoying it while it lasts. I had a winter minimum of 25* last year and 22* this year. We averaged 59*/36* in Dec and 60*/36* for Jan.

[Rusty on Pine Is.]

Never forget NG2..... NO GUTS- NO GLORY!!!!!!!

Best of luck with it!

Rusty

[NBTX11]

I havent had much success with it here.

Who was it that posted the pictures of Roystonea regias in Houston? Aren't there some Wodeytia bifurcata's in the Houston or San Antonio area that have done well for a number of years? Neither of those palms grow anywhere in Northern California.

Those areas have more severe freezes than we do, but they have a greater number of warm days. Ditto Orlando.

I realize Dallas is much colder than these places but maybe there are enough warm days in Dallas for a Bizzy? For awhile anyway. Thing is, eventually youll need a blanket the size of Texas to cover it

Yes, there are some Wodeytia Bifurcata's here in San Antonio. The ones I have seen have fared great this winter. They may be zapped next winter, who knows. There aren't nearly as many as there are queen palms, but they exist...I actually see quite a few of them mixed in with the queens in newer palmy neighborhoods

PS: I wouldn't plant one, they are way too marginal for here, imo.

Edited February 7, 2009 by syersj

[Dave-Vero]

The banks of the San Antonio River need some Rhapidophyllum, which lives along spring runs in Florida.

About royals....they are marginal, over the long term, here in Vero. The great freezes of the 1980s killed many of them. Which brings up the strange nature of winter in the southeastern US, including Texas. We get dry cold snaps, rarely persistent damp cold.

[palmdudetx]

Greenhand,

I believe there will be a time coming when the silver bizzie will be looked at a little differently as to its cold hardiness. Mine has gone through 3 winters now, with full exposure to the north and no canapy cover. Of course, it is a little warmer at my location than yours. However, this palm has seen temps in the middle twenties, with no protection all 3 winters. No problems so far, of course having lived here in Texas all of my life, I realize that a time will come when I will have to try and save it. But, I think you are right about them becoming a little more cold hardy as they grow larger. This is true with a lot of tropical trees.

As other people have said, try it what the heck. I have a royal that I grew from seed (free) it is about 12 ft. tall now and I planted it this past summer. It does have some canapy protection from a large live oak, with no other protection this winter, it had about 70% leaf burn. It is now pushing up a new leaf stem already.

Good luck with your palms,

Marvin

Southern Waller County

[GREENHAND]

Greenhand,

I believe there will be a time coming when the silver bizzie will be looked at a little differently as to its cold hardiness. Mine has gone through 3 winters now, with full exposure to the north and no canapy cover. Of course, it is a little warmer at my location than yours. However, this palm has seen temps in the middle twenties, with no protection all 3 winters. No problems so far, of course having lived here in Texas all of my life, I realize that a time will come when I will have to try and save it. But, I think you are right about them becoming a little more cold hardy as they grow larger. This is true with a lot of tropical trees.

As other people have said, try it what the heck. I have a royal that I grew from seed (free) it is about 12 ft. tall now and I planted it this past summer. It does have some canapy protection from a large live oak, with no other protection this winter, it had about 70% leaf burn. It is now pushing up a new leaf stem already.

Good luck with your palms,

Marvin

Southern Waller County

Thats cool Marvin. is seems like you never know unless you try. here are a few picts of the jungle i am trying to make in my back yard.

[palmdudetx]

Very nice, greenhand, looks like you are well are your way to achieving the look.

Marvin

[mlovecan]

Dear Green

The condition is same here for me,but i keep trying with washy filifera's & Med fan's...they seem to rot during our wet winters.But this has not broken my resolve yet.just a hope that some freak amoung the washy or med fan eventually grow some day for me !

Love,

Kris

I know Kris i had a Med fan that died of to much water i planted it in a low spot were water ponded. the roots rotted.

Greenhand / Kris,

I find these statements quite puzzling since our winters in the mediterranean are quite wet - torrential downpours at least once a month and with a continuous cycle of about 3 days rain followed by three humid days of sun. Med fans grow just fine and washys grow faster than weeds here - just like anywhere else.

A lot of species have difficulty with our climate the first winter, but definitely not those two!

Regards

Maurice

Edited February 15, 2009 by mlovecan

[kristof p]

I havent had much success with it here.

Who was it that posted the pictures of Roystonea regias in Houston? Aren't there some Wodeytia bifurcata's in the Houston or San Antonio area that have done well for a number of years? Neither of those palms grow anywhere in Northern California.

Those areas have more severe freezes than we do, but they have a greater number of warm days. Ditto Orlando.

I realize Dallas is much colder than these places but maybe there are enough warm days in Dallas for a Bizzy? For awhile anyway. Thing is, eventually youll need a blanket the size of Texas to cover it

Its been pretty mild for the past few winters here, and it rarely stays below freezing for very long , for example it is 74 deg today and warm for the next ten days. although i havent seen any for sale here since they were selling them here at Home depot a couple of summers ago.

Thats just it...maybe the number of warm days is more important than the low temps. Seems to be the case with R. regia and W. bifurcata. I give lots of marginal palms a try. There are Archontophoenix cunninghamianas here that I planted over 10 years ago. It's been long enough already for me to enjoy them. I have one in my yard that flowered this past summer.

As far as climate goes, the past few winters are not indicators of climate. I could get 19F next week, you could get 5F or 7F or whatever. Who cares? I don't grow palms in anticipation of those events.

See if it'll grow now. Enjoy it.

in the case of Bismarckia the number of warm days is definitely something that is important for Bismarckia with regards to cold hardiness. we have cool summers and in a normal summer rarely see any days when temperatures hit the 30°C mark and here Bismarckia's get killed by temperatures of +2°C/+4°C while for example in spain were they have long hot summers with plenty days above that 30°C mark they can take -7°C without the any damage at all!