Sabal causiarum x palmetto

[Sabal King]

On 5/7/2022 at 9:18 AM, buffy said:

One year after -5F.

Would love to see what Megatron looks like right now going into the spring.. that is a beautiful palm!!! congrats and appreciate you greatly.

[rarepalmaddict]

I'm looking for some sabal causarium x palmeto seeds, any help?

Thanks 

[SouthFLA]

There will be some hurt feelings with this post but....your sabal is NOT causiarum if it doesn't have these pronounced ligules. This is the most prominent, distinctive characteristic to look for to determine Puerto Rican Sabal. Hybrids will have these ligules too but they will be less pronounced. My foot is men's size 13 USA for scale.

[rarepalmaddict]

On 6/4/2019 at 1:20 AM, buffy said:

This is a beast. Aidan is just short of 5 feet.

Is this palm a sabal palmeto x causiarum hybrid ???

[buffy]

On 4/9/2023 at 11:34 AM, SouthFLA said:

.your sabal is NOT causiarum if it doesn't have these pronounced ligules. 

This is an F2 Sabal palmetto x (Sabal palmetto x Sabal causiarum) or self fertilized F2 Sabal palmetto x Sabal causiarum. I don't think there's one mention of this being S. causiarum in the whole thread.  We see your fancy ligule photos 

[Will]

On 5/7/2022 at 4:18 PM, buffy said:

One year after -5F.

Did it defoliate? And how long was the freeze?

[bubba]

This is an amazing old thread that I remember Kyle starting so many years ago. Merrill Wilcox, the party, who added additional photos, was an extremely well known and prominent professor at the University of Florida. I distinctly remember the existence of this palm all the way back to the time when I was a student at the University of Florida, commencing in 1974. I always accused Merrill of being the person who introduced the nearly ubiquitous existence of Butia at virtually every square inch of property around the University of Florida and Gainesville, Florida!
 

[buffy]

On 6/4/2023 at 2:02 PM, Will said:

Did it defoliate? And how long was the freeze?

Yes, fully. Got down to 6F this year. Partially defoliated this time around.  I'm tired of these freeze events. Too much work. 

[Will]

1 hour ago, buffy said:

Yes, fully. Got down to 6F this year. Partially defoliated this time around.  I'm tired of these freeze events. Too much work. 

Ohh...But it seems to take the cold quite well.  Do you protect it at those temps?

[RJ]

On 6/6/2023 at 8:39 AM, buffy said:

Yes, fully. Got down to 6F this year. Partially defoliated this time around.  I'm tired of these freeze events. Too much work. 

Ugg  too true… on a side note is that your bamboo in the background? If so do you know the variety? Runner … clumper? 

[buffy]

On 6/7/2023 at 8:36 PM, RJ said:

Ugg  too true… on a side note is that your bamboo in the background? If so do you know the variety? Runner … clumper? 

Phyllostachys nigra "Grey Henon" contained in concrete walled bed.

[buffy]

On 6/6/2023 at 9:09 AM, Will said:

Ohh...But it seems to take the cold quite well.  Do you protect it at those temps?

I heated the pool for -5F. I think I wrapped a blanket around the trunk for 6F. It's growing good now. It'll take two years to fully replace the crown with undamaged leaves. My Sabal uresana is finally quickly pushing new growth out the top. 

[RJ]

7 hours ago, buffy said:

Phyllostachys nigra "Grey Henon" contained in concrete walled bed.

Ugg that’s what I figured. Not the variety per say just it was a runner and needed Crete to hold it back… th search for the perfect z8 humid acclimated bamboo

[Chester B]

@buffy any recent photos??

[RJ]

I’ve got some seeds that I just put into pots, hopefully the next month or so I’ll see something. 🙏

[sonoranfans]

On 4/9/2023 at 12:34 PM, SouthFLA said:

There will be some hurt feelings with this post but....your sabal is NOT causiarum if it doesn't have these pronounced ligules. This is the most prominent, distinctive characteristic to look for to determine Puerto Rican Sabal. Hybrids will have these ligules too but they will be less pronounced. My foot is men's size 13 USA for scale.

Wow way more ligules than my causiarum, must be 3x as many and possibly 2x as long.  My causiarum didnt show any significant ligules till it had a couple feet of trunk and today they are 18" long or so.  There are a few more definitive ways described by Scott Zona in his Caribbean sabal monograph published in 1990.  Zona has a clade structure showing how to define the Caribbean sabals based on fruit sizes and shapes. branching order and length of inflorescences etc.  I know mine is causiarum due to these observations.  I dont know about the hybrids but an F1 hybrid typically does not necessarily have to carry the ligules.  As a hybrid it will express traits of the parents but what traits has not been studied.  I remember a palm talker that visited the native habitat and said some had the ligules some did not.  Maybe that is why Zona left that out.