E. hirsutus / E. latifrons

[RMOWEN01]

OK, Ladies and gentlemen..

I find myself in a position similar to Indiana Jones...pun intended!

I am representing a private concern in the offering for sale of an Encephalartos hirsutus.

An oblong caudex 3 1/2 inches X 5 inches, one old frond and 4 new fronds from newest flush.

$8000.00 USD

Legally dealer obtained and held in a private collection, includes (original phytosanitary) and delivery.

Encephalartos hirsutus

Encephalartos hirsutus

Also offering an Encephalartos latifrons....4 1/2" caudex, 25 plus fronds.

$3500.00 USD

Encephalartos latifrons

Encephalartos latifrons

Continental US ONLY, sorry guys.

[RMOWEN01]

For all that may ask the question......

Yes it is another IPS member.............hmmmmmmmm

Thanks

Ray

[vito]

OK, Ladies and gentlemen..

I find myself in a position similar to Indiana Jones...pun intended!

I am representing a private concern in the offering for sale of an Encephalartos hirsutus.

An oblong caudex 3 1/2 inches X 5 inches, one old frond and 4 new fronds from newest flush.

$8000.00 USD

Legally dealer obtained and held in a private collection, includes (original phytosanitary) and delivery.

Encephalartos hirsutus

Encephalartos hirsutus

Also offering an Encephalartos latifrons....4 1/2" caudex, 25 plus fronds.

$3500.00 USD

Encephalartos latifrons

Encephalartos latifrons

Continental US ONLY, sorry guys.

[tropicalb]

lol...i'm surprised they weren't gone within 5 minutes of being posted....

[Jeff Searle]

lol...i'm surprised they weren't gone within 5 minutes of being posted....

Surprised? For $8,000 ??

[tropicalb]

lol...i'm surprised they weren't gone within 5 minutes of being posted....

Surprised? For $8,000 ??

Actually.....yes.

[LJG]

Beautiful cycads!

lol...i'm surprised they weren't gone within 5 minutes of being posted....

Surprised? For $8,000 ??

Actually.....yes.

[www.dadluvsu.com]

People that ever have $8k to spend on a cycad aren't affected by this economy that much.

[osideterry]

Yep. Still not into the cycads.

[JEFF from Trabuco Canyon CA]

There are people out there William but, I have not meet any of them.

[MattyB]

I've heard of E. latifrons. What's up with E. hirsutus? Where's it from? What's it like? Why is it 8000 bones?

[pogobob]

I've heard of E. latifrons. What's up with E. hirsutus? Where's it from? What's it like? Why is it 8000 bones?

If you don't know...you are not worthy...

[surferjr]

How come E. latifrons leafs look more like Encephalartos arenarious maybe a hybrid??

Here's my E. latifrons leafs much tighter!

[Gtlevine]

Those cycads are rare, but nothing special. I wonder if they really are a distinct species or was someone desperate to get there name on a plant. I think of it like a coin collector, is a 1909 penny really any different than a 2009 penny? At least with the penny it can't die before you resell it.

[vito]

How come E. latifrons leafs look more like Encephalartos arenarious maybe a hybrid??

Here's my E. latifrons leafs much tighter!

[LJG]

You guys all are ALL insane. Encephalartos hirsutus is the flagship in the Encephalartos model line. Screw Woodii! The pic alone had me at half mass. Do your research. Encephalartos hirsutus is a one of a kind.

1) Decurrent leaflets. No other Encephalartos has that!

2) Heavy tomentum that last a long time on new flushes. No other blue has that. Makes it look like it is en fuego with hielo flames. Yeah, I said it.

3) Raised veins on underside of leaflet. No other blue has that.

I agree many times some of the rare cycads are ugly and only command price for rarity not beauty - see Dioon caputoi for that. This baby has beauty and brains. Anyone who thinks other wise should rot in cycad hell!!!!

[tropicalb]

Was the hirsutus grown from seed or a pup?

Inquiring minds want to know...............

[LJG]

100% Latifrons. Maybe it is the Green Hill form. Yours looks like Trapps Valley form. I had hoped since you sell Cycads you would know that.

How come E. latifrons leafs look more like Encephalartos arenarious maybe a hybrid??

Here's my E. latifrons leafs much tighter!

[tropicalb]

Those cycads are rare, but nothing special.

I'll leave it at that....i can't be mean.

Edited February 19, 2009 by tropicalb

[George Sparkman]

I agree with Len that the latifrons is most likely Green Hill form and not grown in full sun.

Since Green Hill goes for less then Trapps Valley I think the price is justified.

The price for the hirsutus is what the market will give for it and yes there are enough wealthy people willing to spend the money provided it is grown well which would be something the seller & buyer should talk about.

In regards to what kind of plants justify big bucks - there will always be people willing to spend mega bucks for a plant others might find ugly or just "nothing special" and for some people that might be a

"Big Curly" or "Madfox" or hirsutus (on either side of the isle).

George Sparkman

Cycads-n-Palms.com

[Cycadcenter]

Len you're right!

Bruce

[gsn]

I'm with osideterry, glad I'm not into cycads,well I do have some coonties that I paid 900 bones for!

One could loose everything, have to sell the farm to support that addiction!

RMOWEN01 at least you got alot of exposure for your sale plants!

Edited February 20, 2009 by gsn

[yachtingone]

Everyone, It's a very simple thing why many things that are of ordinary materials can demand an insaine amount of money. People see a painting, some like it some hate it. Neither views determine it's value. Gold and diamonds are just metal and rock. A 1909 s dvd lincoln penny is just a penny. But NOT to collectors!!! The collector mentality determines the price of otherwise ordinary items when those items have special provonance going on. Encephalartos hirsutus is extreamly rare and great looking. There are many cycad collectors with deep pockets. This plant could draw their attention. It's a simple thing supply and demand? Regards Randy

[RMOWEN01]

OK, ladies and gentlemen.......

Only the latifrons remains.

[tropicalb]

24 hour turnaround....not bad!

[surferjr]

I'm with osideterry, glad I'm not into cycads,well I do have some coonties that I paid 900 bones for!

One could loose everything, have to sell the farm to support that addiction!

RMOWEN01 at least you got alot of exposure for your sale plants!

Ya cycads are lame

[gsn]

I'm with osideterry, glad I'm not into cycads,well I do have some coonties that I paid 900 bones for!

One could loose everything, have to sell the farm to support that addiction!

RMOWEN01 at least you got alot of exposure for your sale plants!

Ya cycads are lame

LAME ....... !!! and yet another pedestrian over/inapropriate use of emoticons!

[Jeff Searle]

OK, ladies and gentlemen.......

Only the latifrons remains.

Boy do I feel stupid now. I passed up on the offer to buy seeds last year from some seed dealer in Cameroon.

[RMOWEN01]

OK, ladies and gentlemen.......

Only the latifrons remains.

Boy do I feel stupid now. I passed up on the offer to buy seeds last year from some seed dealer in Cameroon.

Jeff,

With all due respect........

Even the seeds require a cities.

Believe me without legal documentation it's not worth the Russian roulette.

You may get them back,germinated and still get a knock on the door several sales down the road and years later.

I would be wary of seed anyway. If I remember my history I beleive only 3 or so colonies of these remain in habitat and the polinator is now extinct.

I think you were smart not buying them myself.

[surferjr]

OK, ladies and gentlemen.......

Only the latifrons remains.

Boy do I feel stupid now. I passed up on the offer to buy seeds last year from some seed dealer in Cameroon.

Jeff,

With all due respect........

Even the seeds require a cities.

Believe me without legal documentation it's not worth the Russian roulette.

You may get them back,germinated and still get a knock on the door several sales down the road and years later.

I would be wary of seed anyway. If I remember my history I beleive only 3 or so colonies of these remain in habitat and the polinator is now extinct.

I think you were smart not buying them myself.

So true RMOWEN01, you never know what your buying with cycad seeds tell many years down the road and Cycads hybrid very easily!

[RMOWEN01]

OK, ladies and gentlemen.......

Only the latifrons remains.

Boy do I feel stupid now. I passed up on the offer to buy seeds last year from some seed dealer in Cameroon.

Jeff,

With all due respect........

Even the seeds require a cities.

Believe me without legal documentation it's not worth the Russian roulette.

You may get them back,germinated and still get a knock on the door several sales down the road and years later.

I would be wary of seed anyway. If I remember my history I beleive only 3 or so colonies of these remain in habitat and the polinator is now extinct.

I think you were smart not buying them myself.

So true RMOWEN01, you never know what your buying with cycad seeds tell many years down the road and Cycads hybrid very easily!

I was actually refering more to the fact that their ILLEGAL. hmmm

[Palmarum]

I hope that E. hirsutus went to a good home where it might one day be paired up with another one of opposite gender. It would be nice to see update photos of it in the future to see how much it had grown. <hint>

Gtlevine posted Yesterday, 05:32 PM

...I think of it like a coin collector, is a 1909 penny really any different than a 2009 penny?...

yachtingone posted Yesterday, 10:32 PM

...A 1909 s dvd lincoln penny is just a penny. But NOT to collectors!!! The collector mentality determines the price of otherwise ordinary items when those items have special provonance going on...

In response to the comments involving the comparison between the E. hirsutus and a 1909 S VDB Lincoln Cent, I would have to say if having a choice between them I would have to choose the penny; as long as the condition of the cent was decent. It is not a easy decision, but one I would be happy with. When a rare item becomes available combined with the desire of collectors, any price can be rationalized. I have seen a coin collector mortgage their house just to get one coin. I have been a coin collector much longer than a cycad enthusiast. Plus, I already have a 1909 VDB cent in near perfect condition so I would really like the "S" to complete the set. <another hint, less likely to be received>

Ryan

[MattyB]

You guys all are ALL insane. Encephalartos hirsutus is the flagship in the Encephalartos model line. Screw Woodii! The pic alone had me at half mass. Do your research. Encephalartos hirsutus is a one of a kind.

1) Decurrent leaflets. No other Encephalartos has that!

2) Heavy tomentum that last a long time on new flushes. No other blue has that. Makes it look like it is en fuego with hielo flames. Yeah, I said it.

3) Raised veins on underside of leaflet. No other blue has that.

I agree many times some of the rare cycads are ugly and only command price for rarity not beauty - see Dioon caputoi for that. This baby has beauty and brains. Anyone who thinks other wise should rot in cycad hell!!!!

Thank you Len for explaining the virtues of E. hirsutus in a way that only a true Snark Ph.D. can. Should I go to my room now?

[Gtlevine]

You guys all are ALL insane. Encephalartos hirsutus is the flagship in the Encephalartos model line. Screw Woodii! The pic alone had me at half mass. Do your research. Encephalartos hirsutus is a one of a kind.

1) Decurrent leaflets. No other Encephalartos has that!

2) Heavy tomentum that last a long time on new flushes. No other blue has that. Makes it look like it is en fuego with hielo flames. Yeah, I said it.

3) Raised veins on underside of leaflet. No other blue has that.

I agree many times some of the rare cycads are ugly and only command price for rarity not beauty - see Dioon caputoi for that. This baby has beauty and brains. Anyone who thinks other wise should rot in cycad hell!!!!

Len, Len, Len, my friend. It may have all that stuff you say, which I don't see, but looking at the picture I can get a Longifolius that blows it away for a lot fewer benjamins. I have no problem with collectors (I'm one), spending bucks on a rare item, but that cycad should at least look $7000.00 better than say a Dolomiticus? for example. I also think it should come with a guarantee that it won't ever die.

Gary

[cfkingfish]

Who said Russian Roulette isn't fun? I personally get a bang out of it.

[LJG]

Gary, this is only a baby. Give it a few more flushes. I know you are a E. dolomiticus guy. But I can put E. dolomiticus, E. eugene-maraisii, E. dyerianus and E. middelburgensis all together with E. hirsutus and I bet you would hit E. hirsutus 100% of the time but would be 25% guess each time with the others. It is that different. Hell, the only thing I can go off of is what books and others that have actually seen one have said. I personally have never seen the plant live. But I believe it to be one of the best looking cycads around and it turns out to be one of the - if not the hardest to get.

My guess a Dolo would run $2000 the same size? Bruce, George, anyone???

[Jeff Searle]

OK, ladies and gentlemen.......

Only the latifrons remains.

Boy do I feel stupid now. I passed up on the offer to buy seeds last year from some seed dealer in Cameroon.

Jeff,

With all due respect........

Even the seeds require a cities.

Believe me without legal documentation it's not worth the Russian roulette.

You may get them back,germinated and still get a knock on the door several sales down the road and years later.

I would be wary of seed anyway. If I remember my history I beleive only 3 or so colonies of these remain in habitat and the polinator is now extinct.

I think you were smart not buying them myself.

Ray,

I'm asumming that you haven't been on the forum long enough to know that there have been a handful of people in the past that have signed on and offer all kinds of rare seeds to our membership. It's a big scam. And some of them tell us that they live in Cameroon. That's all, I was mearly make a joke about passing up the chance to buy seeds.

Jeff

[tropicalb]

my 2 cents:

whoever got that hirsutus is one lucky person...they are almost NEVER offered for sale.

while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, hirsutus stands head and shoulders above all the plants in the eugene-complex imho.

while very beautiful and rare in their own right, dolos and dyers aren't even a close second, though i would of course like to have all three eventually.

[tikitiki]

I'm way to broke to like cycads.

[BS Man about Palms]

I hope that E. hirsutus went to a good home where it might one day be paired up with another one of opposite gender. It would be nice to see update photos of it in the future to see how much it had grown. <hint>

Gtlevine posted Yesterday, 05:32 PM

...I think of it like a coin collector, is a 1909 penny really any different than a 2009 penny?...

yachtingone posted Yesterday, 10:32 PM

...A 1909 s dvd lincoln penny is just a penny. But NOT to collectors!!! The collector mentality determines the price of otherwise ordinary items when those items have special provonance going on...

In response to the comments involving the comparison between the E. hirsutus and a 1909 S VDB Lincoln Cent, I would have to say if having a choice between them I would have to choose the penny; as long as the condition of the cent was decent. It is not a easy decision, but one I would be happy with. When a rare item becomes available combined with the desire of collectors, any price can be rationalized. I have seen a coin collector mortgage their house just to get one coin. I have been a coin collector much longer than a cycad enthusiast. Plus, I already have a 1909 VDB cent in near perfect condition so I would really like the "S" to complete the set. <another hint, less likely to be received>

Ryan

Yep- I was a "numismatist" until I started driving..maybe a little later. I did get an unc. 1909 VDB too, its around somewhere. But I would take the plant.

On the assumption it lives, It will be "changing", thus something to behold over time. With a coin, it just looks the same, and other than the rarity, I can't watch it change to something more awesome.

Unless it changed to dead. Then it wouldn't be awesome.