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One or two years ago i posted a question on what to do with about 60 little B.microspadix that were growing on a ´´ barranco´´(berm) where there was invasive non native grass , Pinus ellioti, Eucalyptus growing,etc, killing the butias. I asked what to do.

Some weeks ago I saw that the grass (Brachiaria sp) was taking over and totally covering the little palms.

One year ago I transplanted some succesfully,and now I now that I ´ll transplant ALL the microspadix to my property before it´s to late!!!

And transplanting them to a Estadual Park ,will bring that nocive Brachiaria seeds to that place.... :blink::huh::hmm:

Today I brought the first seven!

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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A big rootball!!! :rolleyes:

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Good rescue Alberto.

How old do you think those palms are?

Are the old ones you have already flowering?

I'm getting more into Butias lately too...your eriospathas are doing great here so far.

Keep that camera busy and show us your whole Butia collection, come on...

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

Posted

Wow Alberto, those are beautiful little palms, much bigger than the ones I saw there earlier this week.

Your garden is rapidly becoming a national treasure, I hope there is some way to preserve it after you are gone !!

If you run out of space for those little micros let me know ;)

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

Posted (edited)
Good rescue Alberto.

How old do you think those palms are?

Are the old ones you have already flowering?

I'm getting more into Butias lately too...your eriospathas are doing great here so far.

Keep that camera busy and show us your whole Butia collection, come on...

I think they are old,but how old...? The Butia microspadix had a difficukt time since there began to grow Brachiaria grass in the berm and it is gradually taking over the hole place. This grass is twice to 3 times the height of the other natural ´´campos´´ vegetation. The only place in the berm were the palms could grow somewhat was near the fence,were the herbicide spray (Glifosato) doesn´t let the grass grow.... :hmm::blink: It was clear that this last year the palms weren´t ´´lucky´´ to have received damps of gliphosate,because they were totally burried in 1meter to 1.5m high thick grass :(

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Alberto, that is really great that you have saved these palms. There needs to be more people concerned with saving them, like you are. I am sure you will give them the best of care. You said they were on a "berm". Was that a natural land formation or "man made"?

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Alberto, Kudos to you for saving the palms!

How about some pics of the planting at their new home?

Rusty

Rusty Bell

Pine Island - the Ex-Pat part of Lee County, Fl , USA

Zone 10b, life in the subs!...except when it isn't....

Posted

They were growing on a ´´barranco´´,that is how we call the place were a sand road ´´cut´´through the lanscape letting 1 to 5 meters of native native vegetation at both the sides of the road,and with soya,corn, wheat plantations or pasture at both the sides of this strip of native vegetatin.

It are sometimes the only places were you can find native ´´campo´´ vegetation,but this places are sometimes invaded by allien plants and trees (eucs,al kind of grasses, like Brachiaria sp and the worsest:capim-elefante and pine trees)

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted

Great work Alberto!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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They were growing on a ´´barranco´´,that is how we call the place were a sand road ´´cut´´through the lanscape letting 1 to 5 meters of native native vegetation at both the sides of the road,and with soya,corn, wheat plantations or pasture at both the sides of this strip of native vegetatin.

It are sometimes the only places were you can find native ´´campo´´ vegetation,but this places are sometimes invaded by allien plants and trees (eucs,al kind of grasses, like Brachiaria sp and the worsest:capim-elefante and pine trees)

Alberto your Butia paraguayensis came from one of these barranco,s but there was very few left because they seem to bulldoze the barrancos to clean them and only underneath where an electricity pylon had been positioned could I find a handful of plants from the original population, because this ground was not bulldozed regularly.

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

Posted
If you run out of space for those little micros let me know ;)

I think that I´ll have some spare! ;)

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted
Alberto, Kudos to you for saving the palms!

How about some pics of the planting at their new home?

Rusty

Here are they....

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted

Finished!

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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From another angle:

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted

Seen from above the ´´berm´´

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted
Good rescue Alberto.

How old do you think those palms are?

Are the old ones you have already flowering?

I'm getting more into Butias lately too...your eriospathas are doing great here so far.

Keep that camera busy and show us your whole Butia collection, come on...

I doesn´t look,but some of this are old I think!

Gileno,all this dwarfs are flowering and setting seeds!

Glad to hear the eriospathas are doing fine! How are the Tahinas????

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted

Wow, Alberto, they look beautiful and perfect there in your garden.

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

Posted
Good rescue Alberto.

How old do you think those palms are?

Are the old ones you have already flowering?

I'm getting more into Butias lately too...your eriospathas are doing great here so far.

Keep that camera busy and show us your whole Butia collection, come on...

I doesn´t look,but some of this are old I think!

Gileno,all this dwarfs are flowering and setting seeds!

Glad to hear the eriospathas are doing fine! How are the Tahinas????

Hummmmm...I guess your carnival was on the "Berma", hummm? :lol:

Nice cascade of Butiás "on the rocks"...

Tahinas & party are all doing fine...only lost one of the high altitude Euterpe edulis from Carambeí so far...maybe I should bring the surving ones into AC bedroom at night?

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

  • 9 years later...
Posted (edited)

Almost ten years later the Butia microsoadix grew a lot more in cultivation then they do in natural enviroment, the ''campos'' vegetation. Probably the absence of concurrence of grasses and other plants, and the fertilization with some NPK every year made them grow to proportions they don´t show in nature. (I'm trying to cross them with S. romanzoffiana that's the reason of the blue plastic bags.)

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Pic from above. Wine bottle for scale.

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted

Looking great Alberto!  I'm sure you'll be successful with your hybrids!

Jon

Jon Sunder

Posted

They are beautiful! Are you going to use the santa catharina queen as the pollen donor?

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Posted

I'm new to hybridizing but I've seen in the field plants being prepared by covering the flowers, as Alberto has done, but always with a paper bag. I understand the impermanence of paper outdoors, but is there a risk with using plastic (heat, condensation) or is that the way it's done now?

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I use plastic bags only after emasculation of the inflorescence. The heat and condendation inside kills all the remaining butia pollen that eventually could remain on the inflorescence. After anthesis and pollination I use a bag that let some fresh air circulate and that prevents condensation and accumulation of hot air inside the bag. I used my native Paraná queens for pollen.

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted

Thank you for that information, Alberto. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.

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Posted

Bom trabalho Alberto! Voce acha que as B. microspadix fican en peligro de extincião? É uma lástima que as destruyan.

 

What a shame they bulldoze those butia. Is this particular species endangered?

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Posted

Muito obrigado, Josué. Yes they are very rare here and there are a few places where they still survive. The campos are rare ecosystems because of the very developed agriculture in our region. Practically 95% of all the campos where substituted by pasture or soybean, beans, wheat and corn fields

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted

They are beautiful!

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Let us know if any dwarf mule seeds will be available for sale. This is one of my my dream hybrids....good luck!

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Alberto any updates?

What are all the species of Butia and Syagrus you are currently growing? Other related Allogoptera, Lytocarium etc. 

It's always interesting for people in 8b, 9a, 9b growing zones here in the US because many of these species grows well here. Very similar climates and soils? 

We are a great backup repository for the preservation of some of these species since many are threatened in their native habitats. I think RPS and Caixa? offer seeds from time to time. 

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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Mauricio Caixeta 

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

  • 11 months later...
Posted

How are everyone's Butia microspadix doing? Mine almost bit the dust last year when I did not water it enough but it has made a great comeback this year. 20191117_142215.thumb.jpg.0fe19a3f4a46a2690c676b920f323969.jpg

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what do you think about this Butia ? could be a microspadix? 

it has very fine leaflets

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  • 5 months later...
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(Twelve years later after planted) Butia microspadix is a strange palm. In cultivation, free from competition of other plants and grasses of the "campo" vegetation, with some NPK once or twice a year, they grew 5x or more the size they grow in habitat. The fruit production is also bigger and you will find fruits! In habitat most are preyed by rodents. The fruit itself ( covered with some tomentum) smells like a strange mix of butia, used dirty socks and some kinds of cheese. Must be a delicassy for this wild mice. (The gardener Sebastião is not really tall, maybe 1,50 m)

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

  • 2 years later...
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They grew (free from the competition with other campo plants and with NPK) to a size that it's difficult to believe they are B. microspadix

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted

Great Looking well grown palms Alberto! While I have never seen a real  B. microspadix in person I can compare them to our own local Butia's and see the great difference in Butia's offered and growing here. 

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