Syagrus yungasensis

[Alberto]

This is a palm I grow from seeds. I have 3 and only one is slower. I think the others grow at the speed of a Butia:

[Alberto]

closer

[kristof p]

great palm! i can not post a picture because sadly i dont have one...i would love to grow one in my greenhouse. am i right in saying this one never gets realy big?

(yes, Henri. i would love growing one for making a hybrid with Butia )

[Alberto]

For the collor,growing nearby Protea sp

[ghar41]

I bought this seedling from Ray Laub awhile back. Last years strap leaf spotted a bit, but this years leaves look fine. It sounds like an intriging plant, a smaller queen palm. I'd love to hear more about it, thanks Alberto.

Any ideas on the cold tolerance of this palm?

[ron@springhammock]

I have one about the same size as Glenn's that I've had for about a year. I also have a couple of S. glaucescens, same size and same age, but don't look nearly as good, with lots of fungal spotting. So it looks like S. yungasensis handles the humidity here, but I'm not sure where I should plant it. ...Sun? ...Water? ...no clue.

If you're growing Protea, your climate is not like Florida, so I'm not sure if I can hope for mine to look as good as yours in time.

[Alberto]

I read something about the´´Yungas ´´at the site www.enjoybolivia.com and I know now that the rainfall at some places there is year round.It likes lot of rain and warmth for sure.The frost tolerance of this Syagrus will be tested in future,since my palms are in the ground they haven´t seen hard freezes.

[PalmGuyWC]

I have a S. yunghasensis about the same size as Gleen's, and mine also came from Ray Laub. It grows very slowly for me and this winter there are some spots on the foliage even though it's had overhead protection. I'm thinking this is a tropical Syagrus and won't grow in our climate. It might do well in S. Calif or in Oakland with no frost.

Dick

[Nigel]

Alberto, if this is from the seeds I sent you, maybe one is Syagrus cardenasii because the seed is very similar and for sure i sent you seeds of this.

[Alberto]

I remember that you sent some S.cardenasi but this seeds are still in a pot..................

Yes ,this 2 species were somewhat mixed in the past I remeber,but you didn´t mix the seeds,I supose!

[Al in Kona]

Here are several pics of my Syagrus yungasensis growing in the garden. It has been a very slow grower, now standing at 1.4m (4.7ft.) tall. It has the one main trunk base with many small suckers beginning to show. So this will be a multiple stem form. Our 10 year old grandson standing next to it to give scale. I've heard that some will be solitaire and others form multiple trunks and that Syagrus yungasensis is possibly the same species as Syagrus cardenasii. What have any of your heard regarding these two Syagrus species from Bolivia?

[Mark Heath]

Al in Kona,

Thank you for posting pics of a large S.Yungasensis. I have one that is about a 2 gallon size and i allways wondered what it would look like when it was big!!

[seagrapes]

Nice Protea shrub!! What species is that? It's doing well considering your relatively rainy and humid climate!

[Alberto]

Nice Protea shrub!! What species is that? It's doing well considering your relatively rainy and humid climate!

It´s P.repens

[Al in Kona]

Anyone else growing Syagrus yungasensis or Syagrus cardenasii? I'm sure a lot of us would like to see more pics and any info you can share about these two rare Syagrus.

[Sergio]

This is a palm I grow from seeds. I have 3 and only one is slower. I think the others grow at the speed of a Butia:

This is the Syagrus yungasensis I'm growing about 100 km. south of Rome.

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi Sergio,

What is the coldest temp. your S. yungasensis has experienced?

Thanks, Dick

[Sergio]

Hi Sergio,

What is the coldest temp. your S. yungasensis has experienced?

Thanks, Dick

Hi Dick,

my yungasensis withstood twice or three times -3°C without any damage on the leaves.This is the absolute minimum temp. for Sabaudia, where I'm growing the palm. Anyhow you certainly know it is one of the three mountain species together with the S. sancona and the S. cardenasii so that I expected it was cold hardy just like it really is. I'm also growing cardenasi and sancona but still seedlings in pots. I'm also growing outside in the garden , besides the romanzoffiana,S. xcostae, S. flexuosa,S. pseudococs, S. oleracea, S. cearensis, S. coronata (believed) and two other S. species. All these species have withstood many Winters outside without damages.Only the S. picrophylla and the S. schiziphylla proved to be tender to cold and died, the picrophylla during the first Winter outside while the schizophylla during the third Winter. I have also further S. species but still in pot. I would like to know which S. species you are growing.

Best, Sergio

[PalmGuyWC]

Sergio,

The only 2 exotic Syagrus that I have now are S.yungasensis and Abreojos (the mystery palm that Bob Dejong found in Mexico). They are both small and being protected by an overhang this winter. Over the years I have tried various Syagrus, none of which would grow in my climate. My winter lows are sometime as low as -5C. The only Syagrus that thrives in my climate is S. romanzoffianum.

This is another reason I'm partial to the Cocoid hybrids, anything crossed with Butia or Jubaea. They all have taken -5 C with no damage. The crosses have the advantage of hybrid vigor and grow at a good rate for me, except for Jubaea X Syagrus R, which is very slow, but should be very cold hardy.

Dick

[Sergio]

Sergio,

The only 2 exotic Syagrus that I have now are S.yungasensis and Abreojos (the mystery palm that Bob Dejong found in Mexico). They are both small and being protected by an overhang this winter. Over the years I have tried various Syagrus, none of which would grow in my climate. My winter lows are sometime as low as -5C. The only Syagrus that thrives in my climate is S. romanzoffianum.

This is another reason I'm partial to the Cocoid hybrids, anything crossed with Butia or Jubaea. They all have taken -5 C with no damage. The crosses have the advantage of hybrid vigor and grow at a good rate for me, except for Jubaea X Syagrus R, which is very slow, but should be very cold hardy.

Dick,

talking about Syagrus genus palms in which I'm intersted, I would like to advice you to prove growing the S. xcostae (hybrid coronata x oleracea),I think it is not difficult to find seedling or at least seeds in the Internet palms market. I experienced it is really a hardy palm that could likely be grown in your climate without problems.

Best, Sergio.

[Alberto]

I wrote an Email to Mrs Monica M.Ramirez asking about the climate of the Yungas region.

She answered that this region shows a very pronounced winter and summer weather and that it is very humid (1500-1800mm/year). In ´´La Assunta´´it´s less humid (until 16oo mm) but at this altitudes (of La Assunta?) it doesn´t freeze......

(I supose she is saying that in the Yungas it freezes....?)

Mónica Moraes Ramírez

Data:

07/03/2009 09:45

Hola Alberto

Gracias por su mensaje que recién respondo porque estuve de viaje. No hay problema, entiendo portugués y portuñol! En los Yungas el clima es húmedo con 1.500-1.800 mm anuales, pero también tiene dos estaciones marcadas de verano e invierno. En La Asunta podría ser menos húmedo (hasta 1.600 mm), pero a esa altitud no hay heladas.

Espero que sea esto útil para sus preguntas.

Mónica

El 1 de marzo de 2009 16:38, albarkema <albarkema@uol.com.br> escribió:

Estimada Señora Mónica Moraes,

Mi nombre e Alberto Leonardo Barkema,moro en Carambeí,sur de Brasil,a 1100m de altitud. Yo no hablo Español,por isso voy tentar escribir en ´´Portuñol´´

Admiro muyto seu trabalho como botánica! Por isso penso que podes me ajudar...

Yo soy colleccinador de palmeras. Tengo en mi colección 5 Parajubaea sunhka (la más grande con 2m),P.torallyi var.tor. tambien var. microcarpa. Tengo 3 Syagrus yungasensis muy juveniles. Tengo una duvida que talvez a señora possa responder.... Como é el clima de la región de Yungas onde é nativa a S.yungasensis? Hay heladas fuertes, qual é la precipitación anual??

Muchas gracias! Alberto

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............................

Mónica Moraes R., Ph.D.

Herbario Nacional de Bolivia

Instituto de Ecología

Universidad Mayor de San Andrés

Casilla 10077 - Correo Central

La Paz, Bolivia

Tel 591 22792416, 22792582

Fax 591 22770962

Edited March 9, 2009 by Alberto

[Al in Kona]

Alberto - your Portunol e muito ben. Entiendo todo! What is your understanding as to the differences between Syagrus yungasensis and Syagrus cardenasii? I'm a bit confused as to how they are different from one another. Infact I read somewhere that they might be one and the same. Can you or can anyone enlighten me on this? I do have both species growing here but what I got as S. cardenasii is still to small to be able to see any differences between the two.

[Alberto]

When I thought at S.cardenasii ,this pic of Dr.Luis Rene Moreno at the side of his palm always came to my mind. It appears somewhat ´´different´´than S.yungasensis pics I found...

Photo courtesy and copyright © 2003, Gaston Torres Vera;

taken in Dr. Luis Rene Moreno's palm garden, Santa Cruz, Bolivia.

[Al in Kona]

Muito obrigado Alberto

(thanks much)

[edbrown_III]

Here are several pics of my Syagrus yungasensis growing in the garden. It has been a very slow grower, now standing at 1.4m (4.7ft.) tall. It has the one main trunk base with many small suckers beginning to show. So this will be a multiple stem form. Our 10 year old grandson standing next to it to give scale. I've heard that some will be solitaire and others form multiple trunks and that Syagrus yungasensis is possibly the same species as Syagrus cardenasii. What have any of your heard regarding these two Syagrus species from Bolivia?

Monica Moraes has a book of Bolivian palms it has details ( drawings of the differences ) between both species

Best wishes,

Ed

[Alberto]

Update of my Syagrus yungasensis ( 13 months of growth)

Two are very fast and one looks very healthy but SLOWWWWWWW and only has strap leaves! (it´s still prorected with a cage)Cuold this be another species,maybe real yungasensis and the other two being cardenasii???......

One also produces the first two suckers.

[Alberto]

From another angle:

[Alberto]

Two suckers:

[Charles Wychgel]

Good that you brought this up again Alberto, hardstikke bedankt

Still a lot of confusion about the two species S.yungasensis and S.cardenasiiunfortunately

The Yunga palm is described as being single stemmed however yours and mine show the beginning of a multi stemmed plant, the leaflets of my plant show the typical position of the pinnae "irregularly inserted in groups of 4/10, 4 to 6 cm apart"(Moraes)

For me S.cardenasii is the slowest of the two it is of the same age as S.yungasensis but still has the juvenile leaves

Could it be that the seed of these two got mixed up in the trade?

[PalmGuyWC]

Alberto,

I'm sure it's already crossed your mind, but it would be interesting to cross Butia with S. yungasensis. I'm convinced that Butias are the sluts of the Cocoid world and will cross with just about any Syagrus plus several other species.

Dick

[mppalms]

I've heard that Syagrus cardenasii may be a synonym (or vice versa). Wrong?

Jason

[Alberto]

Good that you brought this up again Alberto, hardstikke bedankt

Still a lot of confusion about the two species S.yungasensis and S.cardenasiiunfortunately

The Yunga palm is described as being single stemmed however yours and mine show the beginning of a multi stemmed plant, the leaflets of my plant show the typical position of the pinnae "irregularly inserted in groups of 4/10, 4 to 6 cm apart"(Moraes)

For me S.cardenasii is the slowest of the two it is of the same age as S.yungasensis but still has the juvenile leaves

Could it be that the seed of these two got mixed up in the trade?

Niets te danken!

Maybe our suckering palms are in fact S.cardenasii and the slower palm the real S.yungasensis...????

I think I´ll send some photos to Ms.Monica Moraes and ask here about the identity.

[gilles06]

Hi Alberto,

Some news about your syagrus yungasensis, how they handle the cold in winter?

Salut.

[MAUSER]

My Syagrus yungasensis in the last winter with temperatures around/below of -2 º C, some damages, burns and yellow leaves. Now fully recovered.

[kelen]

wow! I want this Syagrus yungaensis!!! Alberto, where did you buy seeds? RPS?

[Alberto]

This is a pic of my S.cardenasii (S.yungasensis?) a month after the freeze.

Yes the seeds came from RPS

[gilles06]

Mauser thanks for the report, you got cold in Murcia!

Alberto what was temperature of the freeze?

salut

[Alberto]

Mauser thanks for the report, you got cold in Murcia!

Alberto what was temperature of the freeze?

salut

At 2 meters ot was -3°C. Heavy hore frost.

[edbrown_III]

I left mine out in a pot last winter to test very cold lots of frost perhaps down to -5C

no blemishes I promptly put them in the ground to see if this would speed up grownth.

Best regards

Ed

[Josue Diaz]

On 2/28/2009, 5:32:19, ghar41 said:

I bought this seedling from Ray Laub awhile back. Last years strap leaf spotted a bit, but this years leaves look fine. It sounds like an intriging plant, a smaller queen palm. I'd love to hear more about it, thanks Alberto.

 

Any ideas on the cold tolerance of this palm?

Do you do have this palm? I'd love to see what it turned into in our climate.