Butia archeri

[PalmGuyWC]

OK, the race is on! Seems like several of you have blooming sized B. archeri. Who will be the first to cross it with a Syagrus, or has someone already done it??

Dick

[Alberto]

Here you can see a very young volunteer of B.eriospatha with my 3 years and 10 months old,potted B.archeri. Note the difference in collor and shape of the leaflets

[Alberto]

From above

[Alberto]

another

[Alberto]

Another volunteer B.eriospatha and my potted B.archeri. Both similar age.

Close up of B.archeri and B.eriospatha.

[Dave H]

  On 3/1/2010 at 10:42 PM, Alberto said:

Another volunteer B.eriospatha and my potted B.archeri. Both similar age.

Close up of B.archeri and B.eriospatha.

Thanks Alberto,

I thnk I'm more confused than ever. http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22281&view=findpost&p=371977&hl=Butia&fromsearch=1 My friend said the seed looked correct for Archerii, but the young plants that grew from that seed do not. And comparing your two, mine is not as green as your Eriospatha, but not as silver as your archerii and not as arching as your archerii. The petiole color at the base looks like your archerii, but the base with hair looks like your eriospatha... ?

Dave

[PalmGuyWC]

Alberto,

Are you growing any of the small, clustering Butias, such as B.lallementii or B. campicola? Is anyone growing them in cultivation in Brazil?

Dick

[Alberto]

  On 3/4/2010 at 3:36 PM, PalmGuyWC said:

Alberto,

Are you growing any of the small, clustering Butias, such as B.lallementii or B. campicola? Is anyone growing them in cultivation in Brazil?

Dick

I only have seeds of B.lallemantii that didn´t germinate yet. A lucky guy in Noth California could germinate three!!

[PalmGuyWC]

  On 3/4/2010 at 6:11 PM, Alberto said:

  On 3/4/2010 at 3:36 PM, PalmGuyWC said:

Alberto,

Are you growing any of the small, clustering Butias, such as B.lallementii or B. campicola? Is anyone growing them in cultivation in Brazil?

Dick

I only have seeds of B.lallemantii that didn´t germinate yet. A lucky guy in Noth California could germinate three!!

I think I know who that lucky guy is. He uses bottom heat to germinate seeds and has gotten Syagrus seed to germinate in 3 weeks, but Butias take longer. Jubaeas take less time to germinate than Butias. There seems to be several that germinate fairly fast, then the others germinate sporadically later on. Some of the Cocoid seeds take over a year to germinate.

Dick

[Nigel]

In my opinion the only true archerii I saw in this thread was Albertos.

I also have germinated some lallamentiis. These also keel over and die with ridiculous ease. I have yet to get one past the first leaf. Rain rain rain is a big problem here for seedlings.....

[Alberto]

  On 3/1/2010 at 11:43 PM, Dave H said:

  On 3/1/2010 at 10:42 PM, Alberto said:

Another volunteer B.eriospatha and my potted B.archeri. Both similar age.

Close up of B.archeri and B.eriospatha.

Thanks Alberto,

I thnk I'm more confused than ever. http://www.palmtalk....ia&fromsearch=1 My friend said the seed looked correct for Archerii, but the young plants that grew from that seed do not. And comparing your two, mine is not as green as your Eriospatha, but not as silver as your archerii and not as arching as your archerii. The petiole color at the base looks like your archerii, but the base with hair looks like your eriospatha... ?

Dave

...Maybe a Butia paraguayensis (arenicola)........

[Dave H]

  On 3/4/2010 at 9:46 PM, Alberto said:

  On 3/1/2010 at 11:43 PM, Dave H said:

  On 3/1/2010 at 10:42 PM, Alberto said:

Another volunteer B.eriospatha and my potted B.archeri. Both similar age.

Close up of B.archeri and B.eriospatha.

Thanks Alberto,

I thnk I'm more confused than ever. http://www.palmtalk....ia&fromsearch=1 My friend said the seed looked correct for Archerii, but the young plants that grew from that seed do not. And comparing your two, mine is not as green as your Eriospatha, but not as silver as your archerii and not as arching as your archerii. The petiole color at the base looks like your archerii, but the base with hair looks like your eriospatha... ?

Dave

...Maybe a Butia paraguayensis (arenicola)........

Thanks. I'm not familiar with that one... Does it look different than a standard Paraguayensis ?

[Alberto]

  On 3/4/2010 at 9:55 PM, Dave H said:

  On 3/4/2010 at 9:46 PM, Alberto said:

  On 3/1/2010 at 11:43 PM, Dave H said:

  On 3/1/2010 at 10:42 PM, Alberto said:

Another volunteer B.eriospatha and my potted B.archeri. Both similar age.

Close up of B.archeri and B.eriospatha.

Thanks Alberto,

I thnk I'm more confused than ever. http://www.palmtalk....ia&fromsearch=1 My friend said the seed looked correct for Archerii, but the young plants that grew from that seed do not. And comparing your two, mine is not as green as your Eriospatha, but not as silver as your archerii and not as arching as your archerii. The petiole color at the base looks like your archerii, but the base with hair looks like your eriospatha... ?

Dave

...Maybe a Butia paraguayensis (arenicola)........

Thanks. I'm not familiar with that one... Does it look different than a standard Paraguayensis ?

On the other hand,your palm is practically spineless.... so it cannot be an arenicola.....

[Dave H]

  On 3/4/2010 at 10:08 PM, Alberto said:

  On 3/4/2010 at 9:55 PM, Dave H said:

  On 3/4/2010 at 9:46 PM, Alberto said:

  On 3/1/2010 at 11:43 PM, Dave H said:

  On 3/1/2010 at 10:42 PM, Alberto said:

Another volunteer B.eriospatha and my potted B.archeri. Both similar age.

Close up of B.archeri and B.eriospatha.

Thanks Alberto,

I thnk I'm more confused than ever. http://www.palmtalk....ia&fromsearch=1 My friend said the seed looked correct for Archerii, but the young plants that grew from that seed do not. And comparing your two, mine is not as green as your Eriospatha, but not as silver as your archerii and not as arching as your archerii. The petiole color at the base looks like your archerii, but the base with hair looks like your eriospatha... ?

Dave

...Maybe a Butia paraguayensis (arenicola)........

Thanks. I'm not familiar with that one... Does it look different than a standard Paraguayensis ?

On the other hand,your palm is practically spineless.... so it cannot be an arenicola.....

So wouldn't that spineless-ness narrow the options significantly...

[Phoenikakias]

  On 5/17/2009 at 5:47 PM, Alberto said:

Thanks for the pics and comments! They are much apreciated!

Nobody has a little palm with the purple and blue collors?

Now this is what I call a bumper 5 years later! I wish I knew what the heck my plant exactly is beside a Butia...

[Alberto]

After 2 days of radiatinal freezes in the beginning of the week, the temperatures raised again and now we had three days of constant thunderstorms due to the new cold front. Today its dark and cloudy´. Probably more freezes next week.....

This is now my 8 years old Butia archeri (seeds from RPS, the same as shown above when it was potted).

[Alberto]

Surprise! It will flower for the first time!

[Alberto]

From above, More details.....

[Alberto]

This is one of the plants (younger then the plant above) that I obtained from seeds my brother in law collected in the dutch colony of Holambra in the state São Paulo. He told me there were lot of little trunking butiasgrowing at the side of a little catholic chapel in the "interior" (inland), probaly remaing from the original vegetation, and which branches are used on "Domingo de Ramos" festival (Palm Sunday) of the church. At the time he shew me a not very clear photo made with cell phone and that looked like B.archeris......

[Alberto]

More of the "Holambra" butias still in pots in the pollytunnel.

Last pic, one of the more greyish blue palms

[Brad Mondel]

Any updates on the Butia Archeri? Any photos?