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Butia x cocos

ErikSJI

By ErikSJI
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ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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Mark Heath had posted some photos of his possible butia x cocos hybrid. I just recieved this seedling as a wedding gift that was hand pollinated so there is no question as to what it is. The pollinator wishes to remain unknown and has distributed 4 of these to undisclosed people in hopes atleast one of them will reach maturity. Butia capitata x cocos nucifera.

I am in search for fresh Cocos pollen in the central florida area. If we find a good line on fresh pollen in Central Florida he can continue experimenting with this hybrid.

The first year of growth on this seedling took off and now has slowed considerably. The fronds are very stiff and rigid compare to most other seedlings. He has attempted this hybrid a few years ago and none of the seedlings lasted past a year of age. This is the first time they have made it past 1 year. Any pointers on keeping this guy alive would be appreciated.

I know the pictures are not as impressive as Marks. But I am hoping this will generate some buzz so I can get him some fresh cocos pollen.

Thanks.

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MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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The label says Coco x Butia which would imply that Cocos is the mother. Looks like a regular butia seedling to me. Where's the seed? Hope it turns out to be a real hybrid for you. Good luck.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Mark Heath Veteran

Mark Heath

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Sweet!!!! I hope that they are true!!! One question, the tag says, Cocos X Butia. Which would mean the Cocos was the parent palm, which is it?? W/ labling hybrids, the parent palm is allways listed first. Looks good!!!

I treated mine just like any other XButiagrus and watered when nessasary but i deffinatly did'nt over-water and full sun from the start.

Treat w/ Subdue every other month and keep those babies looking good!

Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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The Butia is the mother palm. He always labels his backwards for some reason. He tried to explain to me that it was the proper way of labeling and did not like the fact that I disagreed with him. I agree with you when you say it looks like a regular butia seedling but dont they all when they first start out?

Thanks for the info Mark. It will be interesting to see if it looks anything like yours when it gets older.

Erik

freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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Good luck, I hope it's the real deal and someone can produce this cross. I would want one or ten :D

Matt

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Erik,

I hope the hybridizer used proper procedures and protected the female flowers until anthesis. As you know, this is VERY important when hybridizing. I hope one of these seedlings ended up somewhere in S. Calif. where such a hybrid might have a good chance, somewhere inland with summer heat and little or no frost in the winter.

Some of these cocos hybrids can be very slow when they are seedlings, so it will probably take a couple of years until the results will be known. I have a Jubaea X Syagrus, and it's been very slow, but it looks healthy and is growing slowly. It also has very stiff leathery fronds but none have divided yet.

Dick

Richard Douglas

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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Erik,

I hope the hybridizer used proper procedures and protected the female flowers until anthesis. As you know, this is VERY important when hybridizing. I hope one of these seedlings ended up somewhere in S. Calif. where such a hybrid might have a good chance, somewhere inland with summer heat and little or no frost in the winter.

Dick

Hmmmmm, I know of a place with just that description. Now it is a matter of making that happen.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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That's nice of you to think of me Gary.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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That's nice of you to think of me Gary.

LOL

Nice try rookie!!!

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Actually..........

I was thinking of you Gary, sounds like you have the ideal enviroment. Now put your claws back in boys.

Dick

Richard Douglas

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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Thanks Dick, I can grow it up fast and I have the perfect spot. Now the question is how can I find one?? Anyone know please PM me.

Gary

Actually..........

I was thinking of you Gary, sounds like you have the ideal enviroment. Now put your claws back in boys.

Dick

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Humm,

That's the 64 thousand dollar question. Apparently the hybridizer wants to be kept anonymous. I don't know who it is.

Dick

Richard Douglas

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Strange that a hybridizer doesn´t know that the female plant (or with the female flowers) is written before the plant of pollen donnor......(????????????)

By the way,today I harvested my first 5 seeds of B.eriospatha crossed with Ccocos nucifera!!!

I really hope they (one!) will germinate!!! Maybe in future I´ll have a B.eriosatha x Cocos!!!! :)

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

iamjv Mentor

iamjv

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Alberto, that sounds like an exciting cross.... I too hope you'll be successful in this venture. Any pictures of the seeds???? Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

Gileno Machado Grand Master

Gileno Machado

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Great news Alberto...

I bet the backstreet Sirinhaém tallie will be a proud dad then... :)

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

Jonathan Veteran

Jonathan

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Has anyone attempted a coconut x Parajubaea hybrid?

Now that would something....

South Arm, Tasmania, Australia - 42° South

Mild oceanic climate, with coastal exposure.

 

Summer: 12°C (53°F) average min, to 21°C (70°F) average daily max. Up to 40°C (104°F max) rarely.

 

Winter: 6°C (43°F) average min, to 13°C (55°F) average daily max. Down to 0°C (32°F) occasionally, some light frost.

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Has anyone attempted a coconut x Parajubaea hybrid?

Now that would something....

.................and maybe easier to perform due to the closer relationship of Cocos and Parajubaea.

First I have to wait some years until my P.sunkha flowers in future.:)

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Brad Mondel Grand Master

Brad Mondel

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that would be awesome if the hybrid was cold hardy ,YAY! cross ur fingers

Los Angeles, CA and Myrtle Beach, SC.

ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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Erik,

I hope the hybridizer used proper procedures and protected the female flowers until anthesis. As you know, this is VERY important when hybridizing. I hope one of these seedlings ended up somewhere in S. Calif. where such a hybrid might have a good chance, somewhere inland with summer heat and little or no frost in the winter.

Some of these cocos hybrids can be very slow when they are seedlings, so it will probably take a couple of years until the results will be known. I have a Jubaea X Syagrus, and it's been very slow, but it looks healthy and is growing slowly. It also has very stiff leathery fronds but none have divided yet.

Dick

As far as I am aware all proper procedures were used. However I was not there and I am not a pollinator. He does like to wear his goofy pollination suit and always bags his trees. Also not sure if one made it to California.

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Erik,

That's funny. Your hybridizer sounds somewhat excentric. I didn't know there was a proper attire for Pollinating. Patric Schaffer, the hybridizer in N. Calif. usually wears levis and a flannel shirt. What is the propper attire? Maybe Patric should change his wardrobe. Of course it would help if he could get some cocos pollen. We have the Butias, but no Coconuts.

Dick

Richard Douglas

Mark Heath Veteran

Mark Heath

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Erik,

That's funny. Your hybridizer sounds somewhat excentric. I didn't know there was a proper attire for Pollinating. Patric Schaffer, the hybridizer in N. Calif. usually wears levis and a flannel shirt. What is the propper attire? Maybe Patric should change his wardrobe. Of course it would help if he could get some cocos pollen. We have the Butias, but no Coconuts.

Dick

My attire is shorts and a tee-shirt!!!! Yes, it would help Patric if he had Cocos pollen. He has Jubaea pollen, and i have Cocos pollen! Goes w/ the territory!! Well, i don't have any at the moment, but i do have about 20 developing seeds that i pollinated w/ Cocos pollen! I'll let you know how they turn out! I'll post a pic before i sowe them.

Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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I'm in Miami right now and I just saw on the news that some crazy guy on a layover was spotted barefoot shimmying up a Cocos to collect pollen in a gnarly lightning storm and nearly fell. Who was that guy? He must have a couple of loose screws or been hit on the head by a falling coconut.

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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I know who that gnarly guy is. You lucky rascle. Don't get hit by lightning. It happens to people in Florida every year.

I guess it's about as hot in inland Calif. today as Miami is. 90's yesterday and today, but I bet the humidity is lower here. I'm still sweating spreading fertilizer and scratching it in. Keep your powder dry.

Dick

Richard Douglas

Mark Heath Veteran

Mark Heath

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I'm in Miami right now and I just saw on the news that some crazy guy on a layover was spotted barefoot shimmying up a Cocos to collect pollen in a gnarly lightning storm and nearly fell. Who was that guy? He must have a couple of loose screws or been hit on the head by a falling coconut.

I know that guy!!! Be sure and use your belt around your ankles, it is the best way to shimmy up a Coconut palm!

A plant strap works real good!!! Put the pollen in a paper bag so hummidity is'nt an issue!!

Oh, and look out for falling coconuts you crazy baffoon!!! :lol:

Good luck!!!!!!

Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Turn a crazy Californian loose in S. Fla. with all those beautiful palms and no wonder what might happen, even in a thunder storm.

Dick

Richard Douglas

freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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:D I don't know who you guys are talking about :D

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

  • 7 years later...
enigma99 Mentor

enigma99

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I'm good with a B. Alfredii. Close enough :)

ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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What ever happened to Mark Heath???

ErikSJI Veteran

ErikSJI

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Same topic I guess. 6 years later. Obviously someone has been stalking my facebook page and decided to bring it up here.

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foxtail Mentor

foxtail

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Mandrew968 Grand Master

Mandrew968

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Erik, are you aware of how many species of Butia there are? Congrats-from the photos above, it looks like you have one of those many species...

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corsafafa Enthusiast

corsafafa

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some people said this is not a real hybrid butia x coco, that's right???

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