parajubaea varieties

[Geoff]

I have several Parajubaeas growing here in inland Los Angeles... have three slightly different plants and all aquired as different plants... but are they really different, or just variations within the species Parajubaea torallyi?

The first is supposedly torallyi microcarpum, the second sunkha and the third torallyi torallyi... what do you think?

[Geoff]

Here are the plants themselves: microcarpum, sunkha and torallyi

[Geoff]

Just for fun, here are a few more Parajubaea torallyis in Los Angeles or north of LA- first pic is of pair of Parajbuaeas in Ventura, torallyi on left and coccoides on right; Leland Lais' is second photo, and Barry Osborne (Santa Barabara) is third photo (4 years ago... probably huge now)

[wowow]

  Geoff said:

Here are the plants themselves: microcarpum, sunkha and torallyi

microcarpum and torallyi are variations in same species, sunkha is different species

[iamjv]

Geoff I can't add any info but wanted to pass on I luv the pictures! Thanks, those are great looking palms. I have one small P.T. here in San Antonio and can't wait for it to start showing some of it's characteristics. Jv

[Exotic Life]

I'm just like JV, can't give tou any more information but those are some beautifull Parajubaea's. I have an P. torally var. torally by my own that just started with the first dividing leaf, and I really enjoy this palm at this stage.

Robbin

[osideterry]

I've missed the updates on your palms progress since I left the davesgarden forum. Those Parajubaeas have really grown in the past 2 years. To me, cocoides is the only one that looks noticeably different of the Parajubaeas. They get messy looking after going pinnate but before forming a trunk. Almost like mule palms.

[plamfrong]

  Geoff said:

I have several Parajubaeas growing here in inland Los Angeles... have three slightly different plants and all aquired as different plants... but are they really different, or just variations within the species Parajubaea torallyi?

The first is supposedly torallyi microcarpum, the second sunkha and the third torallyi torallyi... what do you think?

Really the only way to be certain is to know where the seed was collected or to have seen the seeds. Usually one can't expect subtle crown characters to distinguish between species when such features can vary considerably within one species. I hope you trusted your source for these palms! But correct ID or not, they're still beautiful plants.

[PalmGuyWC]

Geoff,

Your photos of the 3 Parajubaea species are the best demonstration I've seen between the differences and seem to verify my observations. When young they all look very much alike, but P TVT is the eaisest to identify. For me P. TVT is the fastest growing and the most robust of the group. It has wider leaf blades and the tomentum on the petioles is a distinct rust color. Mine tends to sprawl while the others are more strict in their growth habits.

P. sunkha has thinner leaf blades and the tomentum is more of a silver color. P. microcarpa has a lighter colored rust tomentum and less of it and it also has thinner leaf blades. I checked out my P. cocoides and they have no tomentum on the petioles. They all are somewhat silver on the undersides of the fronds. P. cocoides is definately the most cold sensitive of the group. I expect they all will have more distinct characteristics as they grow older.

Dick

[PalmGuyWC]

It may be a little premature to bump this thread since we have about 2 months of rapid palm growth left in the northern hemisphere, but this thread has some nice photographs of Parajubaeas. I'm wondering how yours have faired this year. Rapid growth, fatalities, etc?

My P. TVT has grown about 5 new fronds this year, and looks like there will be 2 more before the end of summer. Mine has almost doubled in size this summer and the new fronds are over 8 feet long. The base of the trunk is expanding and about as big as a mans thigh. The fronds tend to sprawl and mine looks like an ungainly teenager and takes up a lot of room. It's competing with some Tracheycarpus wagnerianus planted near by, but I'm hoping the Parajubaea will grow taller and shade the Trachs.

My inept roomie cut off all the lower green fronds earlier in the summer, but the palm has recovered nicely from being butchered. I'm just wondering how everyone else's is doing? Does anyone have any near blooming?

I see Alberto's young plants got nipped by the frost in Brazil, but they seem to be recovering. Any other reports, north or south?

Dick

[DoomsDave]

  PalmGuyWC said:

It may be a little premature to bump this thread since we have about 2 months of rapid palm growth left in the northern hemisphere, but this thread has some nice photographs of Parajubaeas. I'm wondering how yours have faired this year. Rapid growth, fatalities, etc?

My P. TVT has grown about 5 new fronds this year, and looks like there will be 2 more before the end of summer. Mine has almost doubled in size this summer and the new fronds are over 8 feet long. The base of the trunk is expanding and about as big as a mans thigh. The fronds tend to sprawl and mine looks like an ungainly teenager and takes up a lot of room. It's competing with some Tracheycarpus wagnerianus planted near by, but I'm hoping the Parajubaea will grow taller and shade the Trachs.

My inept roomie cut off all the lower green fronds earlier in the summer, but the palm has recovered nicely from being butchered. I'm just wondering how everyone else's is doing? Does anyone have any near blooming?

I see Alberto's young plants got nipped by the frost in Brazil, but they seem to be recovering. Any other reports, north or south?

Dick

My herd is thundering, the way Merrrill Lynch used to.

Everything's grown well over the summer, and hot weather we had fazed them not a bit, none of them.

The biggest are TVTTs, about a foot across at the base. Everyone falls in love.

Even the cocoides is starting go pinnate.

[PalmGuyWC]

Dave,

As I recall you had a walk way issue with one of your Parajubaeas. The trunks do get big as I've learned. Did you fix that problem? Mine is spilling over into my driveway, and they need a lot room, at least when they are young and the fronds grow low and slap you in the face.

Dick

[iamjv]

It would be fantastic to see updated pictures along with growth details... I know there are a lot of us now trying these palms and it would be interesting if we could get updates from across the world.

As for mine, I have a P.T. and P.T. Micro which I've only had for a year and are in 5 gallon pots. Unfortunately the P.T. isn't doing that well as it lost it's spear half way through the growing season. Not real certain why that occurred. We did have the hottest summer on record here in San Antonio and maybe that played into it somehow??? I'm hoping it'll recover with time. The P. Micro is growing well and has pushed up a couple of new fronds thus far. I hope to buy a sunkha sometime soon.

Let's see and hear some updates....

Cheers Jv

[osideterry]

Jv- Best of luck acquiring that P. sunka. It definitely sounds like a better option for you, from what I've read in other threads.

Things could get interesting if my P. torallyi, planted 18" from the sidewalk, grows to look like the second photo in post 3.

[Perito]

Here's mine (TVT);

Planted- 7-4-06

Today- 9-12-09

[Alberto]

  Perito said:

Here's mine (TVT);

Planted- 7-4-06

Today- 9-12-09

Perito,that torallyi is planted very close to that wall!! Have you seen pics of that ´´monster Parajubaea torally´s ??

I think that in near future you have to move the building or the palm....

[Perito]

Alberto,

First, it will knock over the fence. Then it will lift the slab and I'll be living at slant . All worth it to have a large torallyi in my garden! ---Perito

[DoomsDave]

  PalmGuyWC said:

Dave,

As I recall you had a walk way issue with one of your Parajubaeas. The trunks do get big as I've learned. Did you fix that problem? Mine is spilling over into my driveway, and they need a lot room, at least when they are young and the fronds grow low and slap you in the face.

Dick

No, if it spills over, it spills over -- like my beer belly . . .

[Perito]

I got a nice photo today of my Parajubaea cocoides in the late afternoon sun. Thought I'd ad it to this thread.

[iamjv]

Perry, great looking Para C.! Good photo too! Jv

[Perito]

Thanks Jv! This one doesn't have any concrete nearby to contend with.

[PalmGuyWC]

I'm bumping this thread again because it was mentioned in another thread that the Para TVT middle photo, post#3, had to be destroyed and was reduced to hearts of palm. What a shame, but I can see it would have been impossible to move it intact. Maybe a good lesson for all of us, as Parajubaeas grow to be huge palms and they need plenty of room.

Dick

[AJQ]

I shall post some photo's of my 4 Parajubs shortly.

I have 2 TVT's and 2 Microcarpas. All have done OK here although one Microcarpa took a hit a couple of winters ago. It is now recovering nicely and is growing nice stiffer Irish Fronds. The oldest TVT has been in the ground for 5 years now since it was a stapped leaf seedling. I have had 5 fronds this year so far but it is still quite small though.

Regards Andy.

[thestales]

All the way up in the rainshadow of washington state. The TVT still grow fine with consistent cool nights.

Edited September 26, 2009 by thestales

[AJQ]

Some of my parajubs.

First is my oldest one which has been in the ground 5 years from stap leaf seedling.

Parajubaea TvT

Rgds Andy.

[AJQ]

Next is also a TvT but I have only had it just over a year, it was a larger plant.

The second is a Microcarpa, this got some rot around the new emerging fronds from a couple of winters ago as I wrapped it when we had some snow. I reckon It did more damage than the snow would have done. Also the original fronds were stretched and became suseptable to wind damage. the new fronds this year are a lot chunkier and stiffer and robust than the originals. I notice that the Micrcarpa's fronds tend to twist through about 90 degrees where as the TvT's do not so much.

Rgds Andy.

[AJQ]

This is my second Microcarpa which was actually sold to me as a TvT. This is a larger overall plant altogether.

The distance between the trunk and the wall is 21 inches and the tank 25 inches. I hope that this will be sufficient to allow the trunk to expand OK.

Rgds Andy.

Edited September 27, 2009 by AJQ

[Cikas]

  On 6/6/2009 at 5:27 AM, Geoff said:

Here are the plants themselves: microcarpum, sunkha and torallyi

They all look somewhat different.