Veitchia joannis

[Kostas]

Hello!

I would like some help on how i can tell a pure Veitchia joannis from the other Veitchia species and from the possible inter- and intragenetic hybrids. Especially from hybrids containing V. joannis which would be the hardest to tell....

It would also help a lot if these characteristics can be told in young palms too...

Thank you very much in advance!

Best regards,

-Konstantinos

[Walter John]

They look the same as juveniles in my opinion, the fruit on joannis is way larger than the other species.

[Kostas]

Thank you very much for your reply Wal!

The plant i want to check is about 70-80cm tall and shade grown.Is it possible to check it for certain characteristics with good accuracy?How big is the seed from a pure Veitchia joannis?

Thank you very much in advance!

[pg6922]

They look the same as juveniles in my opinion, the fruit on joannis is way larger than the other species.

I have noticed this too Wal. Also I believe the petioles of Joannis have some crusty white/gray splotchy coating along the petiole. As they get to aprrox. 3 gal size, the tomentum(fuzzy hair) starts heavy at the base of the petiole like a Arecina but carries up heavily along the petiole. Look for lots of hair along the petiole. I'll see if I can snap some pics.

PG

[Palmə häl′ik]

I don't have any V.joannis's, but I do have freshly germinated photos of V. arecinas & V. winins:

The bigger seed on the right is the V. arecina

[Walter John]

I don't have any V.joannis's, but I do have freshly germinated photos of V. arecinas & V. winins:

The bigger seed on the right is the V. arecina

Unless your hand is very tiny, arecina fruit/seed are small, joannis are big like the one on the right and my one and only winin is yet to fruit so I can't comment on that species.

[Sandra]

I don't have any V.joannis's, but I do have freshly germinated photos of V. arecinas & V. winins:

The bigger seed on the right is the V. arecina

Unless your hand is very tiny, arecina fruit/seed are small, joannis are big like the one on the right and my one and only winin is yet to fruit so I can't comment on that species.

Hi,

my name is Sandra and I live in South of Germany. I am a friend of 8er-Moni and the same hobby - palms. The picture shows my Veitchia Joanis which is about 70 - 80 cm tall:

It's my first article here - I am sorry for mistakes...

Best regards, Sandra

Edited June 17, 2009 by Sandra

[mike in kurtistown]

Seeds of Veitchia joannis and arecina are large, about two inches long (assuming the hard fibrous outer layer has not been removed - not necessary for germination). V. winin seeds are much smaller. On mature palms, V. joannis leaflets are pendulous, while leaflets are semi-pendulous on the others. I can't offer any insights into hybrids.

[Kostas]

Thank you very much all of you for the info and the photos!

PG,

Your description sound very usefull for checking for V. joannis.Would a hybrid with any other sp. carry the same trait too? Looking forward for a picture of a true pure joannis too if you have and would like to share

Thank you for the seed photo LexisDad!

Thanks for your reply Wal!

Are you sure of the purity or the id of your V. arecina? Any chance your V. arecina to be a V. winnin instead?

Thank you very much for the photo Sandra! And welcome to Palmtalk! Its great to have you here too,along with your friend Beautyfull palm you got! Did you bought this palm ready or did you germinate it yourself? How sure are you of its purity? I ask because the leaflets are arched,something that i did not expect to see but that could maybe be because its heavy shade grown...

Thank you very much for your reply Mike too!

Your seed size explaination help a lot V. joannis does is easy to tell through other Veitchia from the beautyfull pendulous leaflets which none else exhibit to a satisfying degree...But the real problem is,do hybrids containing V. joannis also have this characterictic at that extent? And also,do Veitchia species hybridize with each other?

Thank you very much in advance!

[Walter John]

Actually this is sounding very good for me. I am sure with my joannis but when I say arecina, I really bought them as mcdanielsii so perhaps there is a God and mcdanielsii and montgomeryana do exist after all.

[John in Andalucia]

My V. joannis spent all winter trying to open a spear, then as soon as Spring arrived - just like buses, 3 came along at once. The leaf that followed the now open spear, opened before it had fully emerged, with another spear following behind. Watch out for red spider mites! I've had to hose mine down 3 times since April. I also have a 200+ V. arecina seedlings just starting to take off.

[Geoff]

Here in southern California Veitchia joannis is easy to tell apart from some of the other Veitchias... it's the dead, dried up skeleton of a palm seedling

[Geoff]

One thing I have noticed, though I am by far an expert on this genus (since I have never been able to grow it)... V joannis has thicker, droopier leaflets that touch each other, and has a pale green crownshaft... most of the other Veitchias have less pendant leaflets, or they have a bit of space between them, or they have a paler crownshaft. These are V joannis photos

[Geoff]

And here are some other species: Veitchia arecina (3 shots), Veitchia metiti, Veitchia spiralis (2 shots), Vetichia vitiensis, Veitchia winin and Veitchia filifera

[Kostas]

Thank you very much all of you for your replys!

Wal,most probably thats it and there do is a god

Beautyfull young Veitchia joannis John! Are you planning to plant it at your place or you will keep it in the greenhouse for as long as possible?

Thank you very much for all the pictures Geoff!

Funny way to tell appart But sad too...

I can say that with all these V. joannis pictures,i am fixed so hard with them that want to try them anyway I am barely keeping myself and this is only because of the hybridization chance i ask about in my other topic...

Thank you for the id ways! In the pictures of mature palms the differences can easily be spotted i would say,with the only other species close enough in the looks being V. filifera...Is this hardier?