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[bubba]

Here is a neat one in a local Garden:

I believe this is a Copernicia rigida?

[Geoff]

looks like Copernicia alba to me

[Geoff]

Of course these aren't my Copernicias, but here's a few seen I've seen in the last few years:

Copernicia alba, Copernicia prunifera, Copernicia baileyana, Copernicia macroglossa, and Copernicia glaubrescens

[Geoff]

Oops, and forgot, one of my favorite shots, Copernicia hospitas at Nong Nooch with Bismarckias... nice

[newtothis]

I want to see more c.sueroana!!

[Kris]

Dear Bubba

The Copernica seen in your stills is a C.Alba for sure.

And Dear Goeff

Thanks for those excellant visuals..And the noocnooch garden of thailand is my favouriate still too !

Iam growning here 2 varities of copernica's

1) Copernica Alba :

2) Copernica Hospita :

And by the way both these babies are growing with same speed & are of same age group !

Lots of love,

Kris

[downtownfish]

Geoff which one is the macroglassa, I am a little confused?

[Jeff Searle]

Geoff,

The pictures of the last two are not C. macroglossa or C. glabrescens. Not to sure on their ID, but definitely not the above mentioned. Maybe a hybrid.

Jeff

[bubba]

Geoff, That row plant of Copernicias and Bismarkias in Thailand is truly amazing ! Thank you.

[MattyB]

Great pix! I love Copernicia!

[tank]

Of course these aren't my Copernicias, but here's a few seen I've seen in the last few years:

Copernicia alba, Copernicia prunifera, Copernicia baileyana, Copernicia macroglossa, and Copernicia glaubrescens

Pic #4 is very cool, whatever it is.

[downtownfish]

The fourth pic looks very similar to a palm they have at Flamingo Gardens. It is the palm that is just north of the little wedding pavilion, which is close to the old house. The palm at Flamingo gardens has a more compact growth, which looks similar to a macroglossa, but with remaining petioles left on the trunk.

[downtownfish]

Jeff, you live close by and I think you have been to flamingo. Do you know the palm I am speaking of?

[cfkingfish]

Jeff-

I think that picture #3 is C. macroglossa with its dead skirt trimmed up to the boot before the skirt falls off. I believe they were going for the neat and tidy appearance. #4 Is not clumping and is way too pretty to be C. glabrescens, I agree. I have seen solitary C. glabrescens supposedly, but I am still not convinced.

[downtownfish]

Even if it were trimmed, I think the petioles are too long for a macroglossa.

[Jeff Searle]

Jeff, you live close by and I think you have been to flamingo. Do you know the palm I am speaking of?

No I don't, I don't get by there very often anymore.

Jeff

[downtownfish]

I don't really know where you live, but I thought you were in southwest ranches, so I considered that to be close.

[downtownfish]

Now that I read your post again you were saying you don't know the palm, not that you don't live close. Sorry.

[Jeff Searle]

Jeff-

I think that picture #3 is C. macroglossa with its dead skirt trimmed up to the boot before the skirt falls off. I believe they were going for the neat and tidy appearance. #4 Is not clumping and is way too pretty to be C. glabrescens, I agree. I have seen solitary C. glabrescens supposedly, but I am still not convinced.

Christian,

The picture with the questionable macroglossa is #4. But, I'm still sticking to my thoughts and answer. C. macroglossa has much stiffer leaves and a very tight head, which I don't see here. I even went out and looked again at mine at the house. I think at very best, it's a hybrid and has macroglossa in it, but not pure. And..........the trunk looks to big.

Jeff

[downtownfish]

OK. Here is the palm I was talking about. I knew I had a picture of it. The pic I have looks more like a macroglossa, to me at least. Maybe I don't really know what a trimmed one looks like.

[Bucky]

This is a Copernicia sueroana I purchased from Searle Bros spring sale (March 09). I think it was a three gallon and although it hasn't skipped a beat since I planted it, it's going to be sometime before it starts trunking. It's kind of nice to wait and watch this little gem grow!

[Bucky]

Here is my second Copernicia.... a Baileyana that I purchased at the Plam Beach Palm Society sale in Boynton Beach. I believe the vendor was Ron Croci and was planted from a seven gallon container. Since seeing those magnificent trees at Fairchild, I have always wanted one of these in my yard. Its a shame we dont see more of them here in SOFLO. I guess if they were in every other yard they wouldn't hold such grandeur!?!

[BS Man about Palms]

I want to see more c.sueroana!!

[Geoff]

I am pretty sure the C macroglossa photo I showed is indeed that... but i of course could not rule out that it could have some other bit of Copernicia in it. But Nong Nooch Gardens, and several other gardens we toured in Thailand that first year the IpS went to Thailand had a lot of tall palms that looked like that, and all identified as C macroglossa (again, maybe all were hybrids?).

the C glaubrescens is a well known palm in Lyons arboretum... what do you think it is? The folks there at Lyons think it's glaubrescens and I don't recall the palmophiles on that IPS visit (like John of Don) saying otherwise. But perhaps they missed that particular palm.

[Geoff]

Here's more Copernicia shots: Copernicia glaubrescnes Leu Gardens; Copernica brittonorum (Fairchild): Copernica berteroana (Hawaii); a few more Copernica hospitas (in Florida and Nong Nooch) and three more C macroglossas (nong Nooch and last on in zone 9b in California!!)

[Caribbean Palms]

Bubba,

Here's one of my favorites, Copernicia ekmanii growing in my front yard.

[Carlo Morici]

This is what is growing at the Palmetum in Tenerife:

IN THE GROUND:

Copernicia alba

Copernicia baileyana

Copernicia berteroana

Copernicia gigas

Copernicia ekmanii

Copernicia hospita

Copernicia prunifera

Copernicia rigida f. Cuba Central

Copernicia rigida f. Cuba Oriental

IN POTS:

Copernicia macroglossa

Copernicia brittonorum

Copernicia fallaense

Copernicia yarey ssp. yarey

Carlo

[PalmsZA]

Mama Mia!!! Mike...love that c.ekmanii..

does anyone have a pic of a bigger one?

[Kris]

[Borgy230]

I also think photo #4 is a Macroglosa, maybe just a very very healthy one? I do agree the leaves look rather large, but to me they look very stiff. I rather like the clean look of it

[Carlo Morici]

Just some thoughts...

C.ekmanii is a great ornamental plant. It was very fast to bloom at the palmetum.

Our only specimen was sown in Sept.1997, from seeds collected at Fairchild, from specimen FG4825.

This year it bloomed for the first time... it took about 11 years since sprouting. This is surprisingly fast, compared to other species.

It is not very tall, I would say it is slow, but it bloomed!

On the other hand, our C.baileyana are about 25-30 years old; they are much larger than the C.ekmanii, but they have never flowered yet.

Copernicia berteroana started blooming a few years ago. The flowers produce and astonishing strong scent, possibly the best of all palms at the Palmetum.

And C.rigida from Eastern Cuba is a candidate to the slowest of all palms. Slower than regular rigidas, slower than a stone. Sown in Oct. 1995, it is still about 1 m tall.

Carlo

[cfkingfish]

Just some thoughts...

C.ekmanii is a great ornamental plant. It was very fast to bloom at the palmetum.

Our only specimen was sown in Sept.1997, from seeds collected at Fairchild, from specimen FG4825.

This year it bloomed for the first time... it took about 11 years since sprouting. This is surprisingly fast, compared to other species.

It is not very tall, I would say it is slow, but it bloomed!

On the other hand, our C.baileyana are about 25-30 years old; they are much larger than the C.ekmanii, but they have never flowered yet.

Copernicia berteroana started blooming a few years ago. The flowers produce and astonishing strong scent, possibly the best of all palms at the Palmetum.

And C.rigida from Eastern Cuba is a candidate to the slowest of all palms. Slower than regular rigidas, slower than a stone. Sown in Oct. 1995, it is still about 1 m tall.

Carlo

Carlo-

Do you have a picture of the Eastern C. rigida? I think Fairchild has these same plants but they don't know what they are.

[Carlo Morici]

Christian,

My pictures of C.rigida from E Cuba are shown on this page in PACSOA:

http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Copernicia/rigidaB.html

The only noticeable difference as a seedling is the unusual orange colour on some leaves. The same is seen in habitat.

The colour makes me always think of the hues often seen on older leaves of Corypha utan.

Carlo

[Takil-Explorer]

I am just back from 6 weeks in Cuba. And I had the fortune to met Raul Verdecia Perez of the jardin botanico of Las Tunas. He is an expert on palms and told me where to find some of the most beautifull specimems in habitad.

I have seen Copernicia bailyana, C. rigida (green form south of Las Tunas), C yaray, C. rigida silver form along the road just west of Moa on serpentine soil not far from the mine, C. cowellii north of Camaguey and just south of the Sierra de Cubitas in an savanna on serpentine soil. Also Copernicia hospita grows there. And Copernicia fallaensis near Ranchuelo. And some Copernicia macroglossa near Santiago de Cartagena.

Its a mystery to me why those Copernicias where not used as ornamental trees in Cuba as they do in Thailand. Probably they prefer non native palms like Livinstona chinensis more as you see them everywhere downthere!

About Copernicia rigida silver, some botanist think it could be carnivorous! That would make it the biggest carniverous plant in the world!

Alexander

[sur4z]

The best in show...

[Mandrew968]

Here is a neat one in a local Garden:

I believe this is a Copernicia rigida?

This is prunifera--alba has a more rigid leaf.

[Peter Pacific]

I love copernicias and they're great in my hot dry climate. Here are a few, albeit very small, babies!

C. fallanense

C. prunifera

C. alba

C. berteroana

C. macroglossa

[Gileno Machado]

Some of mine here, Peter, seedlings mostly, with long roots, hopefully going in the ground in the next 2 years...prunifera, hospitas, alba, fallaensis, rigida, ekmanii, berteroana, baileyana...Oops, Chamaerops humilis var. cerifera, to the right...

[Peter Pacific]

I see they're in pots Gileno, and I'm sure you've had them several years already. I thought they'd do better in the ground to establish a solid root system. They are slow but my alba seems to be picking up some speed.

I have a cerifera too and it's hanging in there...I didn't think it would like the heat of Central America.

Peter

[virtualpalm]

I don't know what all the fuss is about regarding the fourth photo in Geoff's first posting. It looks like a typical trimmed up C. macroglossa to me. Below is one that we have here at the nursery that is about the same size but not trimmed up.

I also must disagree that Bubba's first photo is a C. prunifera or that this species has more relaxed leaves than C. alba. In fact, I believe the reverse is true -- the leaves of C. prunifera are much more rigid. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

Jody