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Caryota obtusa

redant

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redant Grand Master

redant

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I planted one in a very sandy but irrigated part of my lawn and it seems to be suffering. I'm thinking of digging it up and putting it in the wet zone. Anyone have experience with the soil likes/dis-likes of this one?

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

Tyrone Grand Master

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I've got a Caryota gigas (which some say is just the Thailand form of obtusa) growing in my garden which ultimately is amended sand with a lot of surface humus. I planted it in a hole much bigger than the rootball with lots of compost and organic matter and it's doing fine, putting out nice green leaves. It also gets a lot of water in summer. I don't think it would have done so well if I just parted the sand and shoved it in without any amendments.

If its just planted in sand, I'd just dig some holes around it, just outside it's root zone and pack the holes full of rich compost, manures etc and humus, then I'd mulch it like there's no tomorrow and give it a few shots of fish and seaweed mix and see if it doesn't come back looking strong. Being such a large palm that wants to launch, it needs a lot of fuel to do it, and sand won't provide it without a lot of help. The holes full of organics will attract the roots to it. Plants know where the food is somehow.

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Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Eric in Orlando Grand Master

Eric in Orlando

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They are very heavy feeders when young so on sandy soil they really need heavy fertilization. Keep them fed, well watered and mulched and they will grow well.

Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

redant Grand Master

redant

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If its just planted in sand, I'd just dig some holes around it, just outside it's root zone and pack the holes full of rich compost, manures etc and humus, then I'd mulch it like there's no tomorrow and give it a few shots of fish and seaweed mix and see if it doesn't come back looking strong. Being such a large palm that wants to launch, it needs a lot of fuel to do it, and sand won't provide it without a lot of help. The holes full of organics will attract the roots to it. Plants know where the food is somehow.

Best regards

Tyrone

This is the direction I'm going as I really think it would look great where it is. Yesterday I dug up the surrounding area and replaced with nice organic dirt and peat moss. Getting some fish emulsion today and going to the dump this weekend for a nice stinky load of free compost to top dress the area.

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

Peter Pacific Mentor

Peter Pacific

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Hi red, I have a Caryota mitis growing in pretty sandy soil, with adequate irrigation and it´s doing really well. Peter

Peter

hot and humid, short rainy season May through October, 14* latitude, 90* longitude

redant Grand Master

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Hi red, I have a Caryota mitis growing in pretty sandy soil, with adequate irrigation and it´s doing really well. Peter

I have several C. urens in terrible soil and they seem to do fine. Also 2 C. No in sandy soil with a large amended planting hole that are headed to the moon, these are stunning palms,

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Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

  • 3 years later...
redant Grand Master

redant

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Guess I never posted a picture of it when it was suffering, but loads of manure later, here it is today looking fantastic.

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Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Way to go!

Be prepared, for when it becomes a monster, tries to attack you, your wife/sig-other, et al. At least there's no Empire State Building for it to climb over in Florida . . .

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redant Grand Master

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Way to go!

Be prepared, for when it becomes a monster, tries to attack you, your wife/sig-other, et al. At least there's no Empire State Building for it to climb over in Florida . . .

I can't wait, I have 2 C. No in the back, they are babies and are huuuuuuge!

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

KennyRE317 Mentor

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And they grow extremely quick if you feed it enough

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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And they grow extremely quick if you feed it enough

Would this same advice apply to C. urens as well.

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redant Grand Master

redant

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These beast has been put on a steady diet of horse poop, seems to love it.

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Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

Kumar Veteran

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These beast has been put on a steady diet of horse poop, seems to love it.

Beautiful caryota :drool: (perhaps the best species)..in two years it would have put on 2-3 feet of trunk. It seems to be growing in a roomy spot so it will get really gigas! These need a lot of space else I would have tried to grow one.

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Bombay, India

Sea Level | Average Temperature Range 23 - 32 deg. celsius | Annual rainfall 3400.0 mm

Calcutta, India

Sea Level | Average Temperature Range 19 - 33 deg. celsius | Annual rainfall 1600.0 mm

doranakandawatta Grand Master

doranakandawatta

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Wonderful palm,

I am looking forward with mine, but I have to decide where I'll plant this seedling….following Kumar's comment about the space it needs.

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Philippe

 

Jungle Paradise in Sri Lanka

 

Tyrone Grand Master

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These beast has been put on a steady diet of horse poop, seems to love it.

Very nice one you have there. :)

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Cindy Adair Grand Master

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Redant, yours is lovely. Mine is shown a year ago after planting as a tiny seedling in 2009. With never getting supplemental water and never fertilized, it's still hanging on. When I move I plan to actually feed these palms, but it's managing without me.

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Cindy Adair

redant Grand Master

redant

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These beast has been put on a steady diet of horse poop, seems to love it.

Beautiful caryota :drool: (perhaps the best species)..in two years it would have put on 2-3 feet of trunk. It seems to be growing in a roomy spot so it will get really gigas! These need a lot of space else I would have tried to grow one.

I actually think the C. No is the king of the caryota family, probably the most stunning palm in my garden. I have 2 of those monsters.

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

redant Grand Master

redant

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Redant, yours is lovely. Mine is shown a year ago after planting as a tiny seedling in 2009. With never getting supplemental water and never fertilized, it's still hanging on. When I move I plan to actually feed these palms, but it's managing without me.

Now to just keep the cows from muching on them.

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

Peter Pacific Mentor

Peter Pacific

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Great bump redant.

Here's a picture of that very same Caryota mitis that looks textbook perfect! It's beautiful. It's in the same spot, the same volcanic sand, lots of dead leaves from the cashew and lemon trees, and now, not so much fertilizer.

Yours is gorgeous.

Peter

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Peter

hot and humid, short rainy season May through October, 14* latitude, 90* longitude

Kumar Veteran

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These beast has been put on a steady diet of horse poop, seems to love it.

Beautiful caryota :drool: (perhaps the best species)..in two years it would have put on 2-3 feet of trunk. It seems to be growing in a roomy spot so it will get really gigas! These need a lot of space else I would have tried to grow one.

I actually think the C. No is the king of the caryota family, probably the most stunning palm in my garden. I have 2 of those monsters.

I find it hard to tell the difference Redant. The Palmpedia photos under the two entries seem identical to me.

But they're both very very large and block out a lot of sun..and create a terrible mess when fruiting. That's why I personally prefer Caryota urens which I think has a very compact crown and is easy to manage in small spaces and yet has a medium-thick trunk.

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Bombay, India

Sea Level | Average Temperature Range 23 - 32 deg. celsius | Annual rainfall 3400.0 mm

Calcutta, India

Sea Level | Average Temperature Range 19 - 33 deg. celsius | Annual rainfall 1600.0 mm

tank Grand Master

tank

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Your yard is like a golf course.

Jason

Gainesville, Florida

Cindy Adair Grand Master

Cindy Adair

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Redant, yours is lovely. Mine is shown a year ago after planting as a tiny seedling in 2009. With never getting supplemental water and never fertilized, it's still hanging on. When I move I plan to actually feed these palms, but it's managing without me.

Now to just keep the cows from muching on them.

I'd forgotten that the cows did chew on this one so I guess the caustic chemicals in the seeds aren't in the leaves!

Cindy Adair

redant Grand Master

redant

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Your yard is like a golf course.

Not really, the front has some nice open space (for the wife) but the back is my jungle, almost no grass. Come on down sometime and visit, bring the bike and take a ride on Jupiter Island. A great ride.

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

redant Grand Master

redant

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Great bump redant.

Here's a picture of that very same Caryota mitis that looks textbook perfect! It's beautiful. It's in the same spot, the same volcanic sand, lots of dead leaves from the cashew and lemon trees, and now, not so much fertilizer.

Yours is gorgeous.

Peter

A beauty!

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

redant Grand Master

redant

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These beast has been put on a steady diet of horse poop, seems to love it.

Beautiful caryota :drool: (perhaps the best species)..in two years it would have put on 2-3 feet of trunk. It seems to be growing in a roomy spot so it will get really gigas! These need a lot of space else I would have tried to grow one.

I actually think the C. No is the king of the caryota family, probably the most stunning palm in my garden. I have 2 of those monsters.

I find it hard to tell the difference Redant. The Palmpedia photos under the two entries seem identical to me.

But they're both very very large and block out a lot of sun..and create a terrible mess when fruiting. That's why I personally prefer Caryota urens which I think has a very compact crown and is easy to manage in small spaces and yet has a medium-thick trunk.

Here are some terrible pictures of my No's. They are really hard to get a good shot of as they are in the jungle section.

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Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

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Caryota obtusa/gigas is the most spectaculair Caryota I would say!

Alexander

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Mike in Nelson

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These beast has been put on a steady diet of horse poop, seems to love it.

Looking fantastic redant. Mine has put out a second spear for the first time this year. :)

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Oceanic Climate

Annual Rainfall:1000mm

Temp Range:2c-30c

Aotearoa

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