phoenix paludosa

[gyuseppe]

say that the cultivation of this phoenix is not easy. I want to try anyway, and who knows if they are real phoenix paludosa,with seeds purchased in Europe, the seeds were slightly smaller than canariensis seeds, say that the seeds of Phoenix paludosa are very small? true?

are cultivated phoenix paludosa South Florida? and in South California ?

sorry my English

[Alicehunter2000]

Hmm.......I am unfamiliar with this Phoenix species.....anybody else?

[Dave H]

Hmm.......I am unfamiliar with this Phoenix species.....anybody else?

I've wanted to add this phoenix to my collection but no luck yet... Although, it has not reached the top of my acquire list yet, soooo,,, I have not scratched and clawed, looked in every corner, and under every stone... Yet. I've read it is a smaller reclinata-ish phoenix, suppose to be more attractive than reclinata ( I read "somewhere" ).

Dave

[gyuseppe]

some people in south-Italy has tried to cultivate phoenix paludosa, but without luck, the small plants are always dead.

[Eric in Orlando]

Its the Mangrove Date Palm and as the name suggests, needs lots of water. It could even grow in a swampy site. Its also the most cold sensitive Phoenix. We had a nice small clump that was killed in Feb. 1996 after 26F.

RPS has offered seed before. They have a good photo on their site;

http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/pix/PhoPal.shtml

[gyuseppe]

I have no problems in my city of strong frost,other people have died for unknown reasons, my seeds do not come from RPS, perhaps they are hybrid seeds .

[paulgila]

i seem to remember seeing one of these at the catamaran resort here in san diego near pacific beach.nice little phoenix,

if you like that kinda thing.

[Eric in Orlando]

Its native from NE India to Vietnam and Sumatra so maybe there are hardier strains.

Here is one of the young ones planted in a boggy, wet area. They have a grayish green color to the foliage.

[Dave H]

Its native from NE India to Vietnam and Sumatra so maybe there are hardier strains.

Here is one of the young ones planted in a boggy, wet area. They have a grayish green color to the foliage.

Hey Eric,

Is that pic of P. Paludosa, in Florida ? Is that palm available in Florida ? I am looking around to find one, before I go an order seed...

Thanks

Dave

[Eric in Orlando]

Yes, that small palm is growing here at Leu Gardens. It is from seed I got from RPS. I have several planted out.

They aren't common but I have seen them at palm specialty nurseries and at palm sales in the past in SoFL.

[DoomsDave]

They are a cute,but tender, Phoenix. Lvoe that white bloom all over them.

Alas, all of mine are dead . . . .

[Dave H]

They are a cute,but tender, Phoenix. Lvoe that white bloom all over them.

Alas, all of mine are dead . . . .

Hey Dave,

Where did you get yours ? Do you know of any sources ?

Thanks

Dave

[Bananengeknl]

Update?

[Eric in Orlando]

Here is an update on the one at Leu Gardens. It has grown to about 6ft overall, trunks are a few feet tall. It is growing in bright shade in black wet soil.

[gyuseppe]

resistance to cold is as that of the phoenix roebelenii

but this species is very slow !

my still not suckers

[gyuseppe]

[paulgila]

the one at the catamaran resort in pacific beach,san diego is looking dead or dead-ish. I just saw it a month or so ago.

[Kris]

Dear Eric thanks for the visuals.Very beautiful.also glad you posted it in big size.it was easy on the eyes.

But Dear Giuseppe your palm looks a clear hybrid palm with more of Rupicola and Cidp in it as it grows you will know what iam saying.

Love,

kris.

[Phoenikakias]

Kris, what makes you suspect that there is also CIDP in Giuseppe's plant?

[Kris]

Kris, what makes you suspect that there is also CIDP in Giuseppe's plant?

Hi,

Iam have germinated hundreds of phoenix variety seeds,both pure and hybrid forms.And what i noticed is that true or pure form right from the time the leaves open up into fronds.they start showing signs of their leaniage (Character).

If Giuseppe's phoenix had only Rupicola traits it would have perished in the winter season.I assume that the winters are cold there.

Let us give it some time,the true character will come out sooner than later....and did you notice its not clumping !

Love,

kris.

[Phoenikakias]

If rupicola is equally to roebelenii cold hardy, then roebelenii can grow also in the winter for many years without problems until an exceptional cold spell say every 10, 15, 20 or even 40 years wipes all roebelenii out.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Phoenikakias

[gyuseppe]

Kris I have many species of phoenix pure and many phoenix hybrid

these my phoenix paludosa , have nothing of phoenix canariensis,have nothing of phoenix rupicola,have nothing of phoenix roebelenii

as I said before, I'm not sure if they are pure phoenix paludosa or phoenix paludosa hybrid

resistance to cold is as that of the phoenix roebelenii ,perhaps phoenix roebelenii more resistant to cold than these, these will burn the leaves slightly in winter, to my roebelenii you do not burn the leaves in winter

have soft leaves like those of roebelenii

my still not suckers, I think it's still early

this species is very very very slow!

[fiji jim]

It grows well here in full-sun, well-drained location.

[Kris]

It grows well here in full-sun, well-drained location.

Dear Jim,

Any visuals of the one growing at your place..?

Thanks & Love,

kris.

[Phoenikakias]

Kris I have many species of phoenix pure and many phoenix hybrid

these my phoenix paludosa , have nothing of phoenix canariensis,have nothing of phoenix rupicola,have nothing of phoenix roebelenii

as I said before, I'm not sure if they are pure phoenix paludosa or phoenix paludosa hybrid

resistance to cold is as that of the phoenix roebelenii ,perhaps phoenix roebelenii more resistant to cold than these, these will burn the leaves slightly in winter, to my roebelenii you do not burn the leaves in winter

have soft leaves like those of roebelenii

my still not suckers, I think it's still early

this species is very very very slow!

When I buy seeds or plants from a certain sp and they prove not to be pure, I always start in good will from the assumption that propagating material had been collected from a pure or pure looking specimen (otherwise I would be forced by logical necessity to accept that seller or the providers to him are crooks). So in your case Giuseppe your plant must have been offspring from a mother plant that is (or looks like) P paludosa, and if further your plant is indeed a hybrid, nearest candidate father (based only on the pic you posted) seems to be P rupicola (it sounds also reasonable, since most probably in the place where paludosa fruits had been collected, only more tropical P. sp. grow usually). Based on those assumptions (and only assumptions) I tend to say that genuine paludosa should be considerably more cold tender than rupicola and roebelenii, since the presumed hybrid is already more cold tender.

Edited February 23, 2014 by Phoenikakias

[fiji jim]

Here it is Kris.

Probably 6 years old. Needs triming to see the many trunks.

[Eric in Orlando]

Thats a nice looking specimen !

[Kris]

Thanks Jim for the visual.Its beautiful.

Love,

kris.

[Austinpalm]

Anyone care to send more recent pix of the above or other P. paludosa in cultivation?  I have recently become very interested in this species because of its reported salt tolerance. Please send any pix as well as any growing conditions and tolerances that you care to share.  Thanks!

 

[pietropuccio]

Hi,
at the upper limit of zone 9b it is fast and hardy, the plant in the photo is 3 years old and is in the pond for 2 years.

 

 

[Austinpalm]

Nice picture!  Is the water brackish; or fresh?

Thanks for posting.

 

[pietropuccio]

29 minutes ago, Austinpalm said:

 Is the water brackish; or fresh?

Fresh.

However the Phoenix paludosa tolerates brackish water quite well, in the places of origin it also grows along the coasts on the inner margins of mangrove forests periodically flooded by brackish water.

[Austinpalm]

On 2/21/2014 at 8:00 AM, Eric in Orlando said:

Here is an update on the one at Leu Gardens. It has grown to about 6ft overall, trunks are a few feet tall. It is growing in bright shade in black wet soil.

 

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc37/Leu51/Pinnate%20Palms2/img_0907_zps5a8cd561.jpg

 

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc37/Leu51/Pinnate%20Palms2/img_0889_zps8c2ec128.jpg

 

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc37/Leu51/Pinnate%20Palms2/img_0908_zpsa6891064.jpg

 

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc37/Leu51/Pinnate%20Palms2/img_0891_zps37fb7c81.jpg

Hello Eric in Orlando,

How have the palms in the above images done?  Has there been much growth?  Do they seem to gain any cold hardiness with age?

 

Thanks!

[Eric in Orlando]

3 hours ago, Austinpalm said:

Hello Eric in Orlando,

How have the palms in the above images done?  Has there been much growth?  Do they seem to gain any cold hardiness with age?

 

Thanks!

It is still thriving and the clump is 8-10ft tall overall. Its growing in a very protected location hasn't really seen below 30F.