Pseudophoenix Sargentii : Vinifera

[Sandra]

Hi!

A few days ago a friend of me bought a young Pseudophoenix Sergenttii and a Vinifera. He show me the photos of the two and now I am in doubt which one I have? I bought it as a Vinifera, but after looking at the photos I am not longer sure.

His Vinifera:

This is his Sargentii:

And this one is mine:

What kind of Pseudophoenix have I bought? At this age, are there any characteristics of one species?

Best regards, Sandra

[Davidl]

Sandra I'm no expert but yours looks like a P.vinifera to me. Hopefully someone will know for sure for you but that looks like a nice looking little palm you have. Sometimes the amount of sun a palm receives can determine color so if yours is a slightly different in color that in it self doesn't determine what it is. Good luck

Edited August 29, 2009 by Davidl

[cfkingfish]

I agree with David, photo 1 is P. vinifera, and the second two are P. sargentii. How I come to that conclusion is better explained in person.

[Sandra]

I agree with David, photo 1 is P. vinifera, and the second two are P. sargentii. How I come to that conclusion is better explained in person.

Hi cfkingfish,

sorry, David wrote "Sandra I'm no expert but yours looks like a P.vinifera to me"

Now I am confused, David : vinifera, you: sargentii

The palm at the last photo is mine.

Who has more to offer?

Regards, sandra

[aztropic]

Sandra,

Yours is definately a sargentii. Vinifera seedlings are always very stiff and upright,while the sargentii is always more spread out and relaxed. Sargentii is easier and a little faster to grow,so that's the one I would recommend trying.

(my avatar is of a sargentii trunk in my front yard)

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[Moose]

Sandra - I agree with aztropic and cfkingfish's I.D. Psuedophoenix sargentii.

Ron.

[aztropic]

Here's a side by side comparison of some sargentii's and a vinifera.From left to right...

Pseudophoenix sargentii var. navassana Has thicker leaflets and more robust growth than standard.

Pseudophoenix sargentii Standard variety.

Pseudophoenix vinifera Notice how the leaflets are held more upright.Color is usually slightly lighter.

Hope that helps

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[Sandra]

Thanks!

So I have to buy another Vinifera with hope to get than a real one...

Sandra

[aztropic]

At least now you will be armed with some knowledge of exactly what you are looking for.

As far as growing and enjoying a palm from the Pseudophoenix species,sargentii is the way to go.Viniferea will be harder to locate,they grow even slower,they are not as pretty,they're less cold tolerant,and are MUCH more likely to die on you if their particular needs are not met.

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[aztropic]

Here is a comparison of some larger 15 gallon size examples.Pseudophoenix vinifera is in the center,with a sargentii on either side of it.Notice how the old boots remain on the vinifera,while sargentii is self cleaning;this is another identification trait at this size.

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona