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Areca catechu dwarf

PalmatierMeg

By PalmatierMeg
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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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I've wanted one of these for a long time but they are hard to find and expensive. This past weekend I finally found one I could afford and I got to pick it out. All of them were wonderful but I chose the one with the sturdiest trunk, most compact fronds and shortest petioles (1" or less). It was rootbound in a 1g so I immediately gave it more wiggle room. It will probably stay in its pot so I can best protect it from winter cold.

Is this the real deal?

Areca catechu dwarf

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Crown

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Trunk

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Areca catechu dwarf overhead shots

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

redant Grand Master

redant

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I've wanted one of these for a long time but they are hard to find and expensive. This past weekend I finally found one I could afford and I got to pick it out. All of them were wonderful but I chose the one with the sturdiest trunk, most compact fronds and shortest petioles (1" or less). It was rootbound in a 1g so I immediately gave it more wiggle room. It will probably stay in its pot so I can best protect it from winter cold.

Is this the real deal?

Areca catechu dwarf

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Crown

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Trunk

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Areca catechu dwarf overhead shots

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I would guess it's the real deal. You will definitely want to keep that in a pot where you are.

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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Meg, Wow, looks like the real deal. Where did you find that beauty? :drool:

I will PM you.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

Logolight Proficient

Logolight

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Very nice palm. This palm is high on my list, but I've read somewhere that it doesn't do well in pots as it gets older, and mine would have to be potted as well. So please keep us posted on how it's doing.

Jacksonville, FL

Zone 9a

 

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sur4z Grand Master

sur4z

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Great looking palm...I bought one at a palm auction over the weekend and already have it in the ground.

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The weight of lies will bring you down / And follow you to every town / Cause nothin happens here

That doesn't happen there / So when you run make sure you run / To something and not away from

Cause lies don't need an aero plane / To chase you anywhere

--Avett Bros

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Great looking palm...I bought one at a palm auction over the weekend and already have it in the ground.

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I hate to say, but you didn't get a dwarf. If you research further back, there's been some other topics on the Dwarf Areca catechu, and how a good form should look. I can't believe that not one person at the auction didn't speak up and explain the differences of growing this palm and the few ways it will look and grow. It happens.....

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Great looking palm...I bought one at a palm auction over the weekend and already have it in the ground.

palm16.jpg

I hate to say, but you didn't get a dwarf. If you research further back, there's been some other topics on the Dwarf Areca catechu, and how a good form should look. I can't believe that not one person at the auction didn't speak up and explain the differences of growing this palm and the few ways it will look and grow. It happens.....

Jeff

I can spot that too. Jeff has taught me well. :huh:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

cagary Proficient

cagary

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My Areca catechu dwarf arrived today from apparently the same source. It looks identical to the one pictured by PalmatierMeg in the previous post. (They ship to California, but I don't know if they have any more left.)

Does look like the real deal.

Kris Grand Master

Kris

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By the way iam no palm expert yet,but after seeing lots of palm visuals even i can see it clearly the difference of both the variety from the stills put forth by our respected members.

And the difference is so clear and evident.

And dear Meg that's a nice beautiful palm and its a true form.

Love,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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My Areca catechu dwarf arrived today from apparently the same source. It looks identical to the one pictured by PalmatierMeg in the previous post. (They ship to California, but I don't know if they have any more left.)

Does look like the real deal.

I checked & they are out but they keep a backorder wait list. I put myself on it in the spring almost as a lark, figuring I'd probably never hear back but what did I have to lose but some keystrokes? Imagine my excitement last Friday when I got an e-mail from them that the palms were in (and only 4 were left). I couldn't access the online shopping cart fast enough. These people follow through on rainchecks.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

sur4z Grand Master

sur4z

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Great looking palm...I bought one at a palm auction over the weekend and already have it in the ground.

palm16.jpg

I hate to say, but you didn't get a dwarf. If you research further back, there's been some other topics on the Dwarf Areca catechu, and how a good form should look. I can't believe that not one person at the auction didn't speak up and explain the differences of growing this palm and the few ways it will look and grow. It happens.....

Jeff

Well, I guess you get what you pay for... and I didn't pay very much.

The weight of lies will bring you down / And follow you to every town / Cause nothin happens here

That doesn't happen there / So when you run make sure you run / To something and not away from

Cause lies don't need an aero plane / To chase you anywhere

--Avett Bros

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Dear sur4z, you've just joined an elite company of thousands who supposedly bought a dwarf catechu that's not a dwarf at all. It has happens heaps of times before and will again no doubt. I've been duped myself.

Still, it's a nice palm and should perform well in that spot.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

realarch Grand Master

realarch

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Ummmm, ummmm, saw this guy at a friends garden yesterday. Nifty little palm living in good palm company.

Tim

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Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

Kris Grand Master

Kris

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Here is a lovely visual of the palm in discussion,this still was taken from the following thread 'Pics from Nong Nooch, and plants in Bangkok' posted by our friend Dear Bruno :)

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Lots of love to you,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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Gbarce Grand Master

Gbarce

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Yup I think that those are undoubtedly "True Dwarfs".

The short one in the center even looks propotionately stubbier than the others.

If smurfs had palm trees that's what they would look like.

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Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

http://freakofnaturezzz.blogspot.com/

Al in Kona Grand Master

Al in Kona

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I believe we have all come to the conclusion that when it comes to Areca catechu Dwarf they can be highly variable. Some being very compact with no real petiole on the leaf (we'd call this the TRUE dwarf form). Others are quite dwarf, others more intermediate and others just slightly showing some dwarfism. I guess it all depends on the look you prefer or want. However, if you want the true dwarf form make sure from the day you purchase it that it shows no petiole and the leaf is compact and not open. From the plants I've seen and purchased this characteristic shows from the very beginning as a small plant.

Hawaii Island (Big Island), leeward coast, 19 degrees N. latitude, south Kona mauka at approx. 380m (1,250 ft.) and about 1.6 km (1-mile) upslope from ocean.

 

No record of a hurricane passing over this island (yet!).  

Summer maximum rainfall - variable averaging 900-1150mm (35-45") - Perfect drainage on black volcanic rocky soil.  

Nice sunsets!

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ixigena Enthusiast

ixigena

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Dear respected folks,

My associate in Thailand is going to sell to me this palm.

Anyone could help me. How to identify Areca Catechu dwarf for for seedling 50cm to 1 foot offer all height.

Are there any specific things I have to check?

Thanks in advance. Hendriks

Gbarce Grand Master

Gbarce

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Dear respected folks,

My associate in Thailand is going to sell to me this palm.

Anyone could help me. How to identify Areca Catechu dwarf for for seedling 50cm to 1 foot offer all height.

Are there any specific things I have to check?

Thanks in advance. Hendriks

It really is tricky. Check out this post:

http://www.palmtalk....=1&#entry324465

For me I would look for:

General rule is if its a dwarf you know it when you see it. Since there are naturally variations look for plants that have enough Dwarfish traits to give you the look you want

1) A "squared off" look to the leavs

2) Leflets are bunched up and so not separate

3) Leaves look crowded

4) Very Short Petiole. If there is no petiole then you'r sure it is a "True Dwarfbut from my experience it gets shorter and shorter till it disappears so the "no-petiole rule" doesn't apply at an early age.

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Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

http://freakofnaturezzz.blogspot.com/

  • 3 months later...
BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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And Jeff Searle snagged one at Mardy Darians tour yesterday for cheap! :angry:

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

  • 2 weeks later...
Moose Grand Master

Moose

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Yes Meg - hard to find. Often you get a tweener. I would love to get a true dwarf! drool.gif

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Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

  • 5 years later...
PalmWarbler Community Regular

PalmWarbler

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I am interested in buying one of these palms, where in SE FL would one search for a specimen? PM me if it's not accepted to post sellers here on the forum.

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Depends on a size for what our looking for. They can get real expensive, real fast. Ad that's for  good form.

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

PalmWarbler Community Regular

PalmWarbler

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1 minute ago, Jeff Searle said:

Depends on a size for what our looking for. They can get real expensive, real fast. Ad that's for  good form.

Jeff I shot you a PM

sashaeffer Veteran

sashaeffer

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Now I feel compelled to ask....

i bought this palm as a Areca catechu "dwarf" is it really?? Always indoors and a slow but steady grower.

 

 

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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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I would say semi-dwarf at best.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

comic097 Veteran

comic097

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Had mine for a couple of years now, its a good steady grower for us here 

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pilou Community Regular

pilou

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@sashaeffer

 

It's dwarf but dificult to say if it's Cambodian or Thai dwarf... Looks like more Thai than Cambodia...

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sashaeffer Veteran

sashaeffer

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13 hours ago, pilou said:

@sashaeffer

 

It's dwarf but dificult to say if it's Cambodian or Thai dwarf... Looks like more Thai than Cambodia...

Thanks, I didn't realize there was two different types.  Can't find anything on Google about differences, what is the difference?

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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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1 minute ago, sashaeffer said:

Thanks, I didn't realize there was two different types.

I didn't either. I'd love to see photos of each. Most of the dwarfs I'm familiar with come from Thailand, I think. Poor Cambodia has been torn by war and genocide for decades so their version may be harder to find. I'd love to have one from each type. Not likely to happen.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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The palm that inspired my original post died about a year ago. My husband built a large wood planter box on wheels. I filled it with my custom well-draining mix and repotted it. It went into decline and collapsed. Broke my heart as I'd planted, protected finally repotted it after the winters of 2010 in which the semi-dwarf I'd bought from Christian Faulkner died from cold damage.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

pilou Community Regular

pilou

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10 hours ago, sashaeffer said:

Thanks, I didn't realize there was two different types.  Can't find anything on Google about differences, what is the difference?

I have some pictures regarding dwarf Cambodia - Thai - Cambodia x Thai on my website (my collection)

Areca catechu dwarf Thailand : http://www.palmiers.eu/0021.html

Areca catechu dwarf Cambodia : http://www.palmiers.eu/0019.html

Areca catechu dwarf Cambodia x dwarf thailand : http://www.palmiers.eu/0020.html

(www.palmiers.eu)

 

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My palms collection : http://www.palmiers.eu

My B&B : bannongresort.com

realarch Grand Master

realarch

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Too bad about your dwarf Catechu Meg, they are such cool little palms. 

The first pic is about six months after planting back in 2010, just babies back then. (Not bad growth for 5+ years.) 

The other photos were taken a couple of days ago, notice there is NO petiole at all. That is what you want to look for when picking one out to take home. 

Tim

 

 

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Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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Wish I could find enough of them to have a choice.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

realarch Grand Master

realarch

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Meg, I rarely see them for sale here, which is unusual, since almost everything is available.

When you see one you go for it.

Tim

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

pilou Community Regular

pilou

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It's not very difficult to find it in Thailand (seeds or seedling)...

The problem is that it's forbiden to send to Us...

Ps : I sent many seeds to Australia already... Seeds were checked by customs without problem...

My palms collection : http://www.palmiers.eu

My B&B : bannongresort.com

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