Gileno and his fabulous palm collection on brazilian TV

[Alberto]

Gilenos palm colection was shown on Globo TV report last saturday and here's the weblink for the presented video

Take a look:

http://pe360graus.globo.com/videos/cidades...DO-INTEIRO.aspx

[Ampli]

Congratulation Gileno, you have a very large and thorny collection!!!

[Kris]

Very happy for you brother ! and this comes to me as no surprise...

love,

kris

[Nigel]

Wow , great journal, and I understood ( almost ) everything. Good to see Gileno on film too. I didnt realise Gileno had been into palms for such a long time.

Alberto, when will you be on TV

[PalmatierMeg]

Beautiful palms, cycads and location. Way to go, Gileno.

[bubba]

Gileno, Outstanding collection in a great spot! Thank you Alberto for bringing this to our attention!

[bgl]

Gileno,

Excellent coverage! Really enjoyed seeing you and all your palms even though my enjoyment was strictly visual. My Portuguese is a bit rusty...

Bo-Göran

[gyuseppe]

Gileno super beautiful! your collection is very large

[Mark Heath]

Go Gileno Go!!!

We have a star among us!!! Your place and garden is even more beautifull than i figured!

Thanks Alberto for sharing!

[Al in Kona]

Parabéns Gileno! Eu só desejo meu português mais fui avançado então podia understan toda a entrevista.

(I'm congratulating him and telling him I wish my Portuguese was more advanced so that I could understand all of the interview.)

[Mark_NoVA]

Muito bem!

I just came home from my (absolute beginner) Portuguese class and found the link to this video. Que coincidência! Unfortunately I can now only pick out some words here and there, but the video is really interesting both for the palms and the Portuguese learning! And to see someone on the board. I'll probably come back and look at it many times.

Muito obrigado e parabéns! [Many thanks & congratulations!]

P.S. I hope you invited the interviewer to the biennial for a follow-up story.

[amazondk]

Parabéns Gileno é bom ter uma celebridade do mundos das palmeiras entre nós. Eu gostei muito da reportagem. Espero poder conhecer pessoalmente a sua casa na praia um dia. E tambem apreciar um pouco de agua de coco gelado.

abraços , dk

[Davidl]

Gileno can I have your autograph ? Well just kidding it was cool to see a fellow palm grower in the news showing off what we love. I understood some of the words even though I cant speak Portuguese it was enough like Spanish to get a little understanding.

[Gileno Machado]

Gee.... Alberto and his big mouth....

Thank you all for your nice & gentle comments...Beatriz Castro, that famous Journalist, actually went to Sirinhaém in order to show the small Syagrus schizophylla (aricuriroba) colony we discovered in habitat near the beach and then she fell in love with our cultivated palms and cycads. The show is aimed to focus on ecology and preservation so I was glad to help the cause of our remaining small palms in habitat, so critically endangered. The program was shown on TV Globo (leading TV network in Brazil) for the Northeast region on saturday at lunch time so we had a great audience and many people has tried to contact me since then. Now it's been shown also on cable TV Globonews, nationwide...ouch...where's Dave's paper sac so I can hide from all this publicity?

Best regards

[Peter Pacific]

Gileno, It is so hard to start and maintain a garden. Good Luck on all of your efforts and congratulations for such a beautiful work of art. Peter

[Nigel]

Muito bem!

I just came home from my (absolute beginner) Portuguese class and found the link to this video. Que coincidência! Unfortunately I can now only pick out some words here and there, but the video is really interesting both for the palms and the Portuguese learning!

Tips from somebody who has recently learned portuguese

1. If you want to talk brazilian portuguese, DONT learn portuguese portuguese because its is different.

2. Very important to concentrate time on spoken portuguese or you will end up like me being able to read and write but cant understand anything people say, and they wont be able to understand your good but wrongly pronounced portuguese. After a year and a half still cant understand anything my girlfriend says. For somebody who speaks english the pronunciation is a HUGE problem.

[cfkingfish]

Gileno, that is amazing! I could only understand some, thank god for Latin.

[Moose]

Gee.... Alberto and his big mouth....

Thank you all for your nice & gentle comments...Beatriz Castro, that famous Journalist, actually went to Sirinhaém in order to show the small Syagrus schizophylla (aricuriroba) colony we discovered in habitat near the beach and then she fell in love with our cultivated palms and cycads. The show is aimed to focus on ecology and preservation so I was glad to help the cause of our remaining small palms in habitat, so critically endangered. The program was shown on TV Globo (leading TV network in Brazil) for the Northeast region on saturday at lunch time so we had a great audience and many people has tried to contact me since then. Now it's been shown also on cable TV Globonews, nationwide...ouch...where's Dave's paper sac so I can hide from all this publicity?

Best regards

Gileno - thanks for your efforts for making people in your country more aware of the state of their native palms. Execellent job!

By the way, that journalist has some serious Ranch Hand potential!

[Alberto]

Muito bem!

I just came home from my (absolute beginner) Portuguese class and found the link to this video. Que coincidência! Unfortunately I can now only pick out some words here and there, but the video is really interesting both for the palms and the Portuguese learning!

Tips from somebody who has recently learned portuguese

1. If you want to talk brazilian portuguese, DONT learn portuguese portuguese because its is different.

2. Very important to concentrate time on spoken portuguese or you will end up like me being able to read and write but cant understand anything people say, and they wont be able to understand your good but wrongly pronounced portuguese. After a year and a half still cant understand anything my girlfriend says. For somebody who speaks english the pronunciation is a HUGE problem.

Very important for someone whose mother tongue is English/Dutch etc is to learn correctly the ´´nasal nouns´´: ã,ãe,ão.õe and also the nasal nouns in words like ´´cantar´´(to sing)´´banana´´(banana ) in Portuguese.The ´pronunciation´of both words is ´cãntar´and´banãna´....... Nigel remembers my lessons..

[Nigel]

Very important for someone whose mother tongue is English/Dutch etc is to learn correctly the ´´nasal nouns´´: ã,ãe,ão.õe and also the nasal nouns in words like ´´cantar´´(to sing)´´banana´´(banana ) in Portuguese.The ´pronunciation´of both words is ´cãntar´and´banãna´....... Nigel remembers my lessons..

Oh gawdddddd yes, Albertos lesson, wanted to scream. He says two different words that SOUND identical , an english speaker simply is not able to hear the difference , then expects you to pronounce these two `different` but identical words . Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. My only consolation was that Albertos immigrant father has been in brasil 50 years and cant do it either.

[BS Man about Palms]

Zebra! I understood Zebra!

Actually I picked up on some other things too!

Great Video, Gileno.

[Alicehunter2000]

Very enjoyable video Gileno, great collection you have there. Did you ask your interviewer if she wanted to stay and learn first hand.....about palms and such......you know....

[amazondk]

Very important for someone whose mother tongue is English/Dutch etc is to learn correctly the ´´nasal nouns´´: ã,ãe,ão.õe and also the nasal nouns in words like ´´cantar´´(to sing)´´banana´´(banana ) in Portuguese.The ´pronunciation´of both words is ´cãntar´and´banãna´....... Nigel remembers my lessons..

Oh gawdddddd yes, Albertos lesson, wanted to scream. He says two different words that SOUND identical , an english speaker simply is not able to hear the difference , then expects you to pronounce these two `different` but identical words . Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. My only consolation was that Albertos immigrant father has been in brasil 50 years and cant do it either.

Nigel,

What words are the ones you are mentioning? I am trying to think of what might sound the same but isn´t. Maybe that is because they don´t sound the same to me. As to you not understanding your girl friend in Portuguese that is somewhat dangerous. It is always a danger when one doesn´t understand what women are saying. The thing I always noticed about learning a language is that your understanding goes through peaks and plateaus. That is you all of a sudden start to hear words that everyone has been saying all along. At least that is what always noticed. I get mixed up when I end up speaking Portuguese and Spanish at the same time in a conversation where both Portuguese and Spanish speakers are present.

dk

[Nigel]

Nigel,

What words are the ones you are mentioning? I am trying to think of what might sound the same but isn´t. Maybe that is because they don´t sound the same to me. As to you not understanding your girl friend in Portuguese that is somewhat dangerous. It is always a danger when one doesn´t understand what women are saying. The thing I always noticed about learning a language is that your understanding goes through peaks and plateaus. That is you all of a sudden start to hear words that everyone has been saying all along. At least that is what always noticed. I get mixed up when I end up speaking Portuguese and Spanish at the same time in a conversation where both Portuguese and Spanish speakers are present.

dk

I will let alberto explain about the o,s and o,s....... as to the danger of not understanding my girlfriend.... yes, big problem, but the soltaque is impossible.

[John in Andalucia]

I was very impressed with Gileno's "TV manner". An interview about palms and knowing some Spanish made it fun listening for me.

[Morabeza]

Muitíssimos parabéns Gileno!

Acho que o programa saiu óptimo! Você e a equipa que o produziram fizeram um trabalho excelente salientando as espécies brasileiras ameaçadas. Gostei muito também ver a sua colecção. Espero que este programa inspire muito mais gente brasileira quanto à importância de apoiar meios e leis com o fim de proteger estas espécies e também para educar arquitectos paisagísticos e jardineiros que há mais variedade de palmeiras que (um dia) puderem utilizar! Fico muito feliz por você e que o programa foi bem recebido, até no canal Globo!!

Muito bem!

I just came home from my (absolute beginner) Portuguese class and found the link to this video. Que coincidência! Unfortunately I can now only pick out some words here and there, but the video is really interesting both for the palms and the Portuguese learning!

Tips from somebody who has recently learned portuguese

1. If you want to talk brazilian portuguese, DONT learn portuguese portuguese because its is different.

2. Very important to concentrate time on spoken portuguese or you will end up like me being able to read and write but cant understand anything people say, and they wont be able to understand your good but wrongly pronounced portuguese. After a year and a half still cant understand anything my girlfriend says. For somebody who speaks english the pronunciation is a HUGE problem.

I agree with Nigel! Pick which Portuguese you wish to learn ahead of time because sometimes they seem like different languages when it comes to speaking and understanding Continental/'Lusophone' Portuguese vs. Brazilian Portuguese. The «sotaque» a.k.a. accent can be quite different. During my first few weeks in Portugal (after taking classes from Brazilian teachers in the US) I had nearly convinced myself that Portuguese folks I met in Lisbon were speaking a bizarre mix of French and Russian, because I could hardly pick a word out and it sounded so different than that smooth Brazilian sound. Haha! Eventually I caught on. I have a hard time with the more casual and informal incarnations of Brazilian Portuguese mostly because of the sheer volume of slang and word usage that is uniquely Brazilian (calão, gíria, etc.) However Gileno's fantastic program was easy to understand because it was more 'formalized(?)' for television

Not to belabour the point but I took a college Portuguese class for an 'easy A' grade (oh the shame! ) after returning to the US after a few years in Portugal and Cape Verde but the text and the teacher were both Brazilian and I unwittingly drove that poor teacher insane. Any time she detected that other students were picking up on my accent etc., she would admonish them by commanding them not to speak as I did and ignore me! Also she wasn't aware of some of differing grammar and spelling rules between the two countries, so I would invariably contest test scores when she graded me incorrect for correct Continental usage. It made for an uncomfortable course and I really had to fight for that 'easy A' grade.

[amazondk]

I guess this does not have much to do with palms. But, in my view the difference between Portuguese from Portugal and from Brazil is quite similar to that of the USA and England. Or for that matter Spain and the Americas. Now if you want to dive into the heart of Brazilian Portuguese you should study the Cearense Dictionary ,, Dicionario Cearense which is quite used here in Amazonas due to the large influence of immigrants from Ceara. Then there is the local Cabolquese Portuguese spoken by the riberinhos in Amazonas. And, to eat here you need to know how to eat with a spoon as if it were a fork and a knife. There are many expressions and ways of speaking specific to Manaus and Amazonas not used in the rest of Brazil. This site has a few, Portugues amazonense. Then there is the fact that the caboclo, Amazonian person, tends to conjugate Portuguese incorrectly as well. Not so much folks from the capital, but from the interior. Here a mosquito is not a pernilongo as it is called elsewhere, here it is a carapnã. A stream is not a córrego, it is an igarapé. Brazil is a big country and from one end to the other there are a lot of differences.

dk

[Mark_NoVA]

Thanks for the Portuguese-learning tips! This is a fascinating discussion. I'm studying from a Brazilian Portuguese book/CD, and even there you hear some variation in pronunciation! (like 'nós' ['we']--one speaker says something like 'nois' and another 'nos'). A beginning learner wonders which one to imitate, and what is from where!

[Nigel]

I have a hard time with the more casual and informal incarnations of Brazilian Portuguese mostly because of the sheer volume of slang and word usage that is uniquely Brazilian (calão, gíria, etc.) However Gileno's fantastic program was easy to understand because it was more 'formalized(?)' for television

Exactly ! Without trying to sound snobbish, after a year here I am able to have a good conversation with a Brazilian lucky enough to have benefited from a good education. Trying to have an education with a street vendor or the guy who works in the local petrol station for example.... forget it ... the volume of slang and level of sotaque make it an impossibility. Actually it is hard to imagine it is the same language.

Actually Don is probably right, compare the english of a poor person living in the poorest area of New York with somebody from a rich part of Britain and the language difference would be immense.

Mark, I dont know if you have any brazilian satellite TV stations available in the USa but this helped me more than anything.

Edited November 1, 2009 by Nigel

[palmazon]

Where were Barbara & Jr.?

[Alberto]

I´m glad to hear Gileno asking for protection of the native endangered palms and for a kind of ´´parceria´´ with some Institute to make a Botanical Garden that can be used for educational purposes, Botanical knowledge,Science , lanscaping , aesthetics purposes....Congratulations again!!!!

Nigel couldn´t hear the difference between ´his´ pronunciation of words that ends with the letter ´´O´´. For example: ´´louco``(mad) and he would say``LOUCOU``(Correct pronunciation is the first ´´OU´´ (like in ``GO´´)and the last´´O`´ is a ´´Ô´´ (without the U sound at the end, this ´´O´´sound is a short ´´O``similar to the ´´O´´ in´´´don´t))

He could not hear the difference between a``O`` and a ``OU``because that ``O`` sound at the end of Engliash words are always a OU (like in ´´go´´) or the `´O´´ is a ``U`` (like in``do``) or it has the sound of ``Ó`` (like in ´´not´´) but never the sound of``Ô``that I was trying to teach him....

So there is big difference between : `´O menino´´(The boy) and ´´Ou menino`´(Or boy) and you must not pronunciate ``O´´like the ´´o´´in´´go´´because that is the pronunciation of the word `´Ou´´

Edited November 1, 2009 by Alberto

[kelen]

Wow Gileno! Congratulations! (Tu não precisas de um jardineiro? rss) I'm happy to see you and your palms on "TV". Is Palha branca Polyandrococos caudescens?

I saw Syagrus schyzophylla when I was in Aracaju, they are very hardy to cold in Rio Grande do Sul!

Best regard

Edited November 1, 2009 by kelen

[Gbarce]

Hey! Congratulations!

Pretty cool to be on TV Gileno - and that was a pretty long segment too.

[rozpalm]

Awesome job Gileno!

[Mark_NoVA]

Nice description Alberto!

Put another way, I think what you're describing is the difference between the diphthong 'O' and the pure vowel or monophthong 'O'. A 'diphthong' is a vowel that starts with the tongue in one position, and moves to another. A lot of vowels in English are spoken as diphthongs: for 'O', we start with the 'O' sound and move to the 'U' sound. This usually presents a problem for English speakers learning say, French or Spanish, which pronounce a pure 'O', without moving to the 'U' position.

In Portuguese, it looks like you have both a diphthong 'O' and pure (or 'monophthong') 'O'. (In your example, the word 'louco' contains first the dipthong 'O' and then the pure 'O', correct?)

[Alberto]

Nice description Alberto!

Put another way, I think what you're describing is the difference between the diphthong 'O' and the pure vowel or monophthong 'O'. A 'diphthong' is a vowel that starts with the tongue in one position, and moves to another. A lot of vowels in English are spoken as diphthongs: for 'O', we start with the 'O' sound and move to the 'U' sound. This usually presents a problem for English speakers learning say, French or Spanish, which pronounce a pure 'O', without moving to the 'U' position.

In Portuguese, it looks like you have both a diphthong 'O' and pure (or 'monophthong') 'O'. (In your example, the word 'louco' contains first the dipthong 'O' and then the pure 'O', correct?)

Exactly!!! I could not explain it better then you did!!!

[Nigel]

Nice description Alberto!

Put another way, I think what you're describing is the difference between the diphthong 'O' and the pure vowel or monophthong 'O'. A 'diphthong' is a vowel that starts with the tongue in one position, and moves to another. A lot of vowels in English are spoken as diphthongs: for 'O', we start with the 'O' sound and move to the 'U' sound. This usually presents a problem for English speakers learning say, French or Spanish, which pronounce a pure 'O', without moving to the 'U' position.

In Portuguese, it looks like you have both a diphthong 'O' and pure (or 'monophthong') 'O'. (In your example, the word 'louco' contains first the dipthong 'O' and then the pure 'O', correct?)

Exactly!!! I could not explain it better then you did!!!

Well that certainly explains it well........ doesnt help me much though because I still cannot differentiate in conversation !!! They sound the same to me.

[Mark_NoVA]

Nice description Alberto!

Put another way, I think what you're describing is the difference between the diphthong 'O' and the pure vowel or monophthong 'O'. A 'diphthong' is a vowel that starts with the tongue in one position, and moves to another. A lot of vowels in English are spoken as diphthongs: for 'O', we start with the 'O' sound and move to the 'U' sound. This usually presents a problem for English speakers learning say, French or Spanish, which pronounce a pure 'O', without moving to the 'U' position.

In Portuguese, it looks like you have both a diphthong 'O' and pure (or 'monophthong') 'O'. (In your example, the word 'louco' contains first the dipthong 'O' and then the pure 'O', correct?)

Exactly!!! I could not explain it better then you did!!!

Well that certainly explains it well........ doesnt help me much though because I still cannot differentiate in conversation !!! They sound the same to me.

I can't say this for sure, not knowing Portuguese, but what happens in many languages is that differences like this disappear in normal rapid speech. For example, if you ask a native English speaker to say clearly and by itself the word 'photograph', the speaker might say 'pho-to-graph', with the 1st and 2nd syllables rhyming. In normal speech, however, the 'o' in the unstressed middle syllable will be pronounced sort of like 'uh'. It might be the case that the 'ou' in 'louco' becomes more like 'o' in rapid regular speech. (Can't say, just guessing at why it might be difficult to hear in conversation!)

[Alberto]

.................. It might be the case that the 'ou' in 'louco' becomes more like 'o' in rapid regular speech. (Can't say, just guessing at why it might be difficult to hear in conversation!)

You are right! In normal conversation the two ´´o´´ have a similar sound and will be pronunciated like ´´loco´´so as the same spanish word. But the word ´´Ou´´(=Or) will always have the pronunciation different from´´O´´ (=The)

To stay´´on topic´´speaking of palms: ´´Coco´´ is the fruit from Cocus nucifera and ´´cocô´´(popular) what remains from a eaten coco etc after evacuating it

Let ´s stop hijacking this thread

Gileno where (which State) are S.schyzophilla more common,since they are rare in Pernambuco?

Edited November 2, 2009 by Alberto

[Nigel]

But the word ´´Ou´´(=Or) will always have the pronunciation different from´´O´´ (=The)

To stay´´on topic´´speaking of palms: ´´Coco´´ is the fruit from Cocus nucifera and ´´cocô´´(popular) what remains from a eaten coco etc after evacuating it

Let ´s stop hijacking this thread

Yes lets stop hijacking this thread .... Albertou