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Livistona saribus


Kathryn

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I am pleasantly surprised at how well my Livistona saribus palm has done. I thought for sure there would be some heavy foliage damage.

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My Livistona decora palms also look great as I thought they would.

My Livistona chinensis are a little damaged on the edges of the leaves.

Sorry I don’t have more pictures for now. My home computer has a virus so I’m on my work laptop and I don’t have the photo editing software I need.

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Sorry I don’t have more pictures for now. My home computer has a virus so I’m on my work laptop and I don’t have the photo editing software I need.

:drool: :drool: :drool:

Kathryn!!! No more further pictures needed. What a palm, phantastic. How old is it?

Very nice, really. And yes ... Livistona´s do not have problems with coldness ... in China they have to fight against - 10 °C and more.

Best regards, Verena

Member of the ultimate Lytocaryum fan society :)

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My very young L. saribus are revealing more damage by the day, but nothing fatal. I can't wait until they mature, as has yours. I think then, they be nearly unstoppable in our climate.

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Kathryn, that looks fantastic. These are great palms for the Deep South. Unfortunately, for the first time, mine defoliated. All in-ground specimens, whether large or small, exposed or under canopy, are going to be shark-toothed petiole-sculptures until they can push some fresh spears (and I'm sure they will). They have taken 22.8F before with no damage, but this 18.4F and almost three solid days below freezing outdid the foliage. I did leave out several 3gal community pots of one-leaf seedlings during the freeze, in slightly protected areas, and only about half of them browned out within each pot, so it rather looks like there are hardier individuals within one seed-batch. They did better than my decora seedlings, and about the same as my chinensis seedlings.

Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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Kathryn, that looks fantastic. These are great palms for the Deep South. Unfortunately, for the first time, mine defoliated. All in-ground specimens, whether large or small, exposed or under canopy, are going to be shark-toothed petiole-sculptures until they can push some fresh spears (and I'm sure they will). They have taken 22.8F before with no damage, but this 18.4F and almost three solid days below freezing outdid the foliage. I did leave out several 3gal community pots of one-leaf seedlings during the freeze, in slightly protected areas, and only about half of them browned out within each pot, so it rather looks like there are hardier individuals within one seed-batch. They did better than my decora seedlings, and about the same as my chinensis seedlings.

Michael, my L. decora that are somewhat mature, probably 4 years old, show no damage at all. My 2nd year seeling is unhappy for sure, but should survive.

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you must have the green petiole form, the purple var. not nearly as hardy but just as eye-catching nonetheless. In 1989 L.saribus were ranked right on par w/ Liv decora, here they recovered from 19 and 20f lows in a row. Can't go wrong with them, imagine a grove of these pinwheeled beauties to walk under...

- dave

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you must have the green petiole form, the purple var. not nearly as hardy but just as eye-catching nonetheless. In 1989 L.saribus were ranked right on par w/ Liv decora, here they recovered from 19 and 20f lows in a row. Can't go wrong with them, imagine a grove of these pinwheeled beauties to walk under...

I have a low area in the center of my property, where the drainage is low and slow. The area has about 50% shading as well. Knowing that they can take seasonal flooding, I planted them (3) along this creekbed for just that reason. It'll take another 10 years, but I hope by then, the setting will be magnificent.

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After the Pritchardias and Bismarckia, my fave palm.

I can only hope mine will look as good as yours someday.

Odessa, TX  Z8a

NE edge Chihuahuan Desert

Alt 2800 ft

El Jardin de Quixote

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Dear Kate :)

Nice palm and nice still,but i like to know what is metal pipe line seen near the palm feet ?

Looks very hi tec..

Thanks & Love,

kris :)

love conquers all..

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Dear Kate :)

Nice palm and nice still,but i like to know what is metal pipe line seen near the palm feet ?

Looks very hi tec..

Thanks & Love,

kris :)

Thank Kris. I didn't realize that this palm could take such low temperatures. I need to plant more of them. That's a flexible plastic drain from the gutter downspout. We get so uch rain sometimes that it would just wash out that bed if dropped driectly from the roof.

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Great Palm Kathryn.

I agree this is a great palm for us along the gulf cost in the South. they seem to do well in deep shade as well as sun like yours.

I had a new leaf open a few weeks ago on mine and decided to go ahead and protect it with bedsheets and a heat lamp underneath it. it came through unscathed.

This is one of my favorites. dont be afraid to let that down spout flood you palm from time to time, they seem to love water!

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

North Florida Palm Society - http://palmsociety.blogspot.com/

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Despite the fact that I'm quite bummed after mine defoliated, I nevertheless have to agree that there is probably no more exotic, tropical-looking palm that can be grown in 9a Gulf areas, where in most winters it escapes unscathed. The uniquely bunched leaf-segments lend it that ragged, chunky quality that to me typifies the most ominous, hot and steamy jungle landscapes. It's just too bad that as they get larger, they assume a more typical Livistona appearance. This habit of changing appearance as it ages is something that it shares with Livistona chinensis, which seems to change from brilliant, glossy green to a more grey-green leaf at a certain point in its adolescence. (I think this is one area in which L. decora excels, however, since its adult form becomes even more attractive with its curtain of dripping leaves.) But I think nothing can compare to L. saribus for that primitive jungle feel. I still love the shark's-tooth spines even though one penetrated and lodged deep in my finger for over a year before finally (I guess) it was broken down and disappeared.

Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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Mine took the first hard freeze (21F) relatively well with only minor tip burn. The second harder freeze (16F) fried every open frond. Below is a shot of the fronds from a few days ago... they are now turning crispy! As a side note, L. Chinensis and hybrids between these also were 100% fried. L. Decora was the only one that pulled through with only minor damage. Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

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Dear Kate :)

Nice palm and nice still,but i like to know what is metal pipe line seen near the palm feet ?

Looks very hi tec..

Thanks & Love,

kris :)

Thank Kris. I didn't realize that this palm could take such low temperatures. I need to plant more of them. That's a flexible plastic drain from the gutter downspout. We get so uch rain sometimes that it would just wash out that bed if dropped driectly from the roof.

Thanks for the information..

Love,

kris :)

love conquers all..

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That's a beauty, Scott! How old is that specimen? I love that vicious basket-weave...I'm assuming you trimmed those leaves and they didn't just break off naturally at that point? This one does generally lose the leaf-bases to reveal a bare trunk, doesn't it?

Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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That's a beauty, Scott! How old is that specimen? I love that vicious basket-weave...I'm assuming you trimmed those leaves and they didn't just break off naturally at that point? This one does generally lose the leaf-bases to reveal a bare trunk, doesn't it?

Michael, I planted the L. saribus 10 years ago from a 1 gal. pot. Yes I trim the old leaves, so far with 18 ft of trunk it still holds all the leaf-bases. Flowered for the first time in 2008.

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Here is a picture of the same L. saribus taken in 2002.

What a beauty!

I thought I posted mine earlier in this thread but it dissapeared. this is Pre-freeze but it looks the same as it was protected with sheets and a heat light. Here it is again:

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Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

North Florida Palm Society - http://palmsociety.blogspot.com/

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Luke, Scott, Great looking palms :)

Kathryn, Glad yours came through the cold OK :D

Bruce

Innisfail - NQ AUS - 3600mm of rain a year average or around 144inches if you prefer - Temp Range 9c to 43c

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Scott--

All I can say is "Wow!"...that is a beauty and I can't believe it has grown that big in 10 years. I have three in-ground, all are about five years in the ground from 1.5" cone seedlings, and they measure roughly 2', 3' and 7' in height. I have no idea why the variation. What kind of soil, amendments and fertilizer do you use? That growth is phenomenal and it is really a gorgeous specimen you have there.

Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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Scott--

All I can say is "Wow!"...that is a beauty and I can't believe it has grown that big in 10 years. I have three in-ground, all are about five years in the ground from 1.5" cone seedlings, and they measure roughly 2', 3' and 7' in height. I have no idea why the variation. What kind of soil, amendments and fertilizer do you use? That growth is phenomenal and it is really a gorgeous specimen you have there.

Michael, The palm is given Lesco palm fertilizer and is planted in a area of the yard that stays wet. The area has standing water in the wet season.

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