Pics Of Washingtonia Robusta IN HABITAT??

[Adam from Oz]

Dear Palm People.

I have been whining , beseeching and even begging for pics of this palm in habitat.

Still ain't seen any!

If you have them, post them!

I know you North Americans consider it a trash palm (there is only one TRUE trash palm) but I kinda like it!

Cheers,

Adam

[Kim]

Okay! Okay!  I think these are Washingtonia robusta, if they're not, I'm sure someone will chew me out.

These pics were taken in the Anza-Borrego desert area, east of San Diego, California.

Hiking up a wash, we approach the grove:

Trunks show evidence of fire:

Small pool from spring upwelling amid palm grove:

Looking skyward:

View from further upcanyon back toward grove:

[Zac in NC]

Adam- I have pics of them. Search the Archives for Nacapule Canyon. Richtrav, myself and Lee from AZ went down into Sonora, Mexico back in July.

Just some teasers. I also collected some pure robusta seeds off of these palms. I have them growing as we speak. It was growing with Sabal uresana and Brahea elegans( supposedly lumped with B armata but I don't agree there)

Zac

[Zac in NC]

Kim- those are Washingtonia filiferas.

Adam- I bumped the thread for you.

Zac

[BigFrond]

(Zac in NC @ Sep. 26 2006,16:05)

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Kim- those are Washingtonia filiferas.

Adam- I bumped the thread for you.

Zac

Yup!  Those are Cali Boys.  They a litter better looking because of their massive trunks.

[Lee in AZ]

Here's some Washingtonia robusta in Nacapule Canyon in Sonora.

Lee

[MattyB]

Darn it Kim! not

[Rusty on Pine Is.]

Those are some great pics...it just goes to show that landscaping, no matter how grand, cant hold a candle to the real deal.....those grove shots were great!

I know you North Americans consider it a trash palm (there is only one TRUE trash palm) but I kinda like it!

    Ummm, I'm curious...what IS the ONE true trash palm?? ??? ....always thought it was kind of subjective, like one persons trash (palm) is another persons treasure (palm).

    Well, betcha i have one growing out in my yard somewhere!! :laugh:

[Walter John]

These are washingtonias but I don't know which species, sorry.

[quaman58]

Yeah, to the best of my knowledge, all naturally occuring Washies in the Anza-Borrego arroyo areas are W. filifera.

Bret

[BS Man about Palms]

Kim-

I work in Borrego on occasions and I've heard (but haven't seen) that a good amount of those Washingtonias got washed out from the July monsoons/flash floods...

Bill

[tim_brissy_13]

(Rusty on Pine Is. @ Sep. 26 2006,19:37)

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Those are some great pics...it just goes to show that landscaping, no matter how grand, cant hold a candle to the real deal.....those grove shots were great!

I know you North Americans consider it a trash palm (there is only one TRUE trash palm) but I kinda like it!

    Ummm, I'm curious...what IS the ONE true trash palm?? ??? ....always thought it was kind of subjective, like one persons trash (palm) is another persons treasure (palm).

    Well, betcha i have one growing out in my yard somewhere!! :laugh:

Adam's trash palm is Trashycarpus fortunei.

[Zac in NC]

Yeah I think Tim summed up that about Adam very well. That is his one trash palm, BUT it is my one major mainstay here. I have to admit I like them, but I don't think I would feel that way once I get some place warmer.

Zac

[jam99]

Wal, where's that amazing place?

[Walter John]

(jam99 @ Sep. 27 2006,18:51)

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Wal, where's that amazing place?

Hi Jan

One of my work mates (Cath) went to work in LA and went holidaying and went to a place called Palm Valley (from memory) and sent 3 of those photos back to me. I can't remember where I obtained the 4th photo from.

How are you keeping, what's the weather doing now for you, getting cooler ?

[Adam from Oz]

Thanks, All.

Some beautiful pics there..    

Did someone mention Sabal uresana in there?  ???

YUM!

Thanks again.

Cheers,

Adam

[Kim]

(MattyB @ Sep. 26 2006,19:06)

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Darn it Kim! not

Well spank me with a palm frond!  (But not a washie -- ouch!)

What a fabulous opportunity I've presented Adam in Oz to compare the robustas and the filiferas! (Trying to salvage my post.)  Zac, nice pics of the dramatic canyons!

I'm guessing Wal's Palm Valley is the palm canyon near the Anza Borrego visitor's center, some miles north of where my photos are taken.  The rock formations look familiar.

Bill, I can't imagine so many palms could be downed by floods!  Some perhaps.  Now that I think about it, I have hiked into desert canyons where only a single palm was standing, and others were apparently toppled years earlier, but I didn't realize it would be floods that would have taken them out.  Makes sense though, when you think about it.

[Exotic Life]

That are very nice pics, mine would be also get that height i hope

[Zac in NC]

Well yes Adam, I did mention Sabal uresana in there, but the form in THAT canyon is a green form. We did find the blue form inland and quite a bt higher in elevation beyond the town of Ures, which only had a few of their namesake palms and those were small transplants. Here are the good ones. Well the first pic is me with the Brahea elegans, then  the green form in the canyon. The rest are the good ones obviously.

This is the first uresana we spotted. Richard said we would go a few more miles then turn back right before we spotted these. We had gotten a tip from a local we stopped and asked.  He mentioned small palmas p this road and how far it was. The palmas turned out to be a Yucca but we hit the mother-lode with the uresanas.

Zac

[Zac in NC]

These were others from farther into the country. Plus the terrain was very un-Sabal friendly looking, but they were there.

Zac

[Zac in NC]

And one more, as they wouldn't all fit in that one post....

Zac

[Adam from Oz]

^^ GRRRR!

Nothing gets me more excited than seeing quality palms au naturel.......ask around...........it's an unfortunate fact..

THANKS!

Cheers,

Adam

[SubTropicRay]

Great stuff.  Keep it coming!

[Zac in NC]

Lee plans to go back when the seeds are ripe and collect from those nice ones. Would you want some seeds Adam? I bet you would. They were definitely damn near Bizzy blue in places. Here is a huge one off the side of the road.

Zac

[Adam from Oz]

Re seeds............

I'm just trying to think of how many languages I can say:

YES,  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Adam

[jam99]

(Wal @ Sep. 27 2006,05:26)

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How are you keeping, what's the weather doing now for you, getting cooler ?

Actually we're having warm (by our standards) September with day highs 25-26C and night lows 12-15C. Plus the 10 day forecast says it's not going to change any time soon.

Getting ready for the planting season? I bet you're already warmer than us even thought your spring has just started.

[Zac in NC]

(Adam from Oz @ Sep. 28 2006,04:52)

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Re seeds............

I'm just trying to think of how many languages I can say:

YES,  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Adam

You will not be forgotten when the seeds get distributed.

Zac

[Exotic Life]

To nice, do you have more ? Thanx for sharing Zac.

[Adam from Oz]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!      

Cheers,

Adam

[Zac in NC]

Robbin-

Well, right now, there aren't any. They weren't ripe when I was there and the seeds are about 2000+ miles from me, so it would be difficult for me to get them. I know Lee had planned to go back there since he lives in AZ and its only 250 miles from him. When we have seeds, I will let everyone know. I am ancy to get them as well, as they were that beautiful. It should be fairly soon though ( within a year hopefully)

Zac

[Alberto]

(Zac in NC @ Sep. 28 2006,12:31)

QUOTE

(Adam from Oz @ Sep. 28 2006,04:52)

QUOTE

Re seeds............

I'm just trying to think of how many languages I can say:

YES,  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Adam

You will not be forgotten when the seeds get distributed.

Zac

But....it´s not very easy to succesfully send seeds to Australia. All the seeds that I have tried to send were detained!

[Zac in NC]

Well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Zac

[Adam from Oz]

I just checked  the Australian quarantine regulations and palm seeds are not a problem as long as the following are observed:

5. Seed must be free of soil, live insects, plant material (e.g. fruit pulp, straw, leaf or stem material), animal material (e.g. faeces, feathers and animal remains) and contamination with any other extraneous material of quarantine concern.

6. Each shipment must be packed in clean, new packaging, clearly labelled with the botanical name.

7. Packets of seed containing mixed genera or species are not permitted entry due to the difficulties of inspecting them for contaminants. Importers wishing to import packets of seed containing mixed genera or species must obtain prior approval from AQIS. All applications must be forwarded to AQIS Plant Programs, Canberra.

I've got thousands of seeds into the country over the years.

Cheers,

Adam

[Zac in NC]

Well thats good. I wouldn't be shipping the seeds with any of the things listed. No Feces( I laugh at the spelling faeces) or any fruit remnants with it. How long is the quarantine period on that Adam?

Zac

[Adam from Oz]

Wot'z wrong wif faeces? We use propper Inglish in Oz!

So...

REYAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They obviously don't open all packages. I had some Washingtonia filifera seed, (pure) sent to me accidentally in a letter. All the seedlings carked..geez, I'd like some more..HINT!

They generally open each declared package and if it doesn't contain a bat wing, the Holy Grail, baby poo or a WMD and is clearly labelled, it's in my letterbox with only a day's delay MAX!

Cheers,

Adam

[Zac in NC]

So do you have to have import permits down there? I have this Small lots of Seed permit thing that the Gov't just allowed people to get without having  phytosanitary certificate. As long as its no more than 50 seeds or up to 10 grams its legal (it also has to be on the list and be legal ie not a CITES listed group)It has to go through one of the ports though I believe. Now I just have to get the permit to import all of the seeds that I need to supply the demand for them.

Zac

[Adam from Oz]

No import permits that I know of unless you're trying to get opium poppies into the country.

IMPOSSIBLE to get a live plant with leaves and other stuff live plants have in, however................and banana seeds are now completely banned..YAY! I got mine in before the ban! :cool:

Cheers,

Adam

[Alberto]

I sent Araucaria angustifolia seeds and Bromelia antiacantha to jeff Nugent and they were detained.

[Adam from Oz]

Fair enough.

Were they spotlessly clean and in separate parcels with their botanical names?

Most things get though.

Send me a coconut and it just won't.

Cheers,

Adam

[Zac in NC]

Another Save.

Zac