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Calling all Butia fans,

Dave H

By Dave H
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Dave H Community Regular

Dave H

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Hey All...

Hoping some of you will take a crack at this. I have a Butia that came to my freind as seed in 1999 as B. Archeri. My freind has felt confident for a long time that it is not Archeri. I've grown it up fm a seedling, and it seems to be getting a fair amount of glacaus on it, with a hint of purplish color. And... appears to be lacking armor. Wondering if any of you have a guess...

Thanks

Dave

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PalmGuyWC Grand Master

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Dave,

I bet Nigel or Alberto would have some ideas about your Butia. Seems I heard Alberto had a thornless Butia. I have two small B archeri but they are green and are much more compact than your palm.

Dick

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Richard Douglas

Nigel Mentor

Nigel

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Dave,

I bet Nigel or Alberto would have some ideas about your Butia. Seems I heard Alberto had a thornless Butia. I have two small B archeri but they are green and are much more compact than your palm.

Dick

I think it is too small to make conclusions about the spines, and the butia archerii I saw did have small spines.

Butia purpurescens is spineless.

However, considering its size after 10 years of growing and its appearance, I would not want to bet against it being an archerii, most Butia would be quite large by now.

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Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

Kailua_Krish Veteran

Kailua_Krish

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Whatever it is it sure is nice!

-Krishna

-Krishna

Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry!

Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala)

Gileno Machado Grand Master

Gileno Machado

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It looks a lot like my B. purpurascens here (the colour and the fact that it is thornless) but I wouldn't risk to try an ID at this stage...and besides, I'm not a Butia expert...mine are not so slow growers here though.

Maybe Alberto will narrow the options...

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

BigBpalms Community Regular

BigBpalms

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I have a small butia eriospatha that looks very similar, once again its a little early on your palm but not a bad idea to try and narrow the options

Dave H Community Regular

Dave H

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I have a small butia eriospatha that looks very similar, once again its a little early on your palm but not a bad idea to try and narrow the options

Is your eriospatha spinless ?

Dave H Community Regular

Dave H

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I should add that it has not been a slow grower, it spent most of its life in an 11" seedling pot in full shade. I'v got it to this stage in approx. 3 years. My general perception has been a decent growth rate ( moderate I'd say ) once I potted it into a 5gal in sun, and recently into the 15 gal...

BigBpalms Community Regular

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yes the eriospatha is spineless , not sure if it will remain that way, but it is for now - its about three years old now and in a 15 gallon - beautiful flush of color w/ new leaf formation, and then it fades away until the new growth brings new color, yours looks a little more upright as mine is a little closer to the ground but mine is on the pooldeck in direct sun all day and that may have something to do with it

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Dave H Community Regular

Dave H

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yes the eriospatha is spineless , not sure if it will remain that way, but it is for now - its about three years old now and in a 15 gallon - beautiful flush of color w/ new leaf formation, and then it fades away until the new growth brings new color, yours looks a little more upright as mine is a little closer to the ground but mine is on the pooldeck in direct sun all day and that may have something to do with it

Mine is in direct sun all day also. Would you post a pic of yours ? I would love to see for comparison sake... :D

Thanks

Dave

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

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Why don't you guys put them in the ground and then they would really take off. Or are you like me, have run out of planting room? I planted two B. archeris last summer and they have almost doubled in size since planted. Butias really like their roots in the ground......as most palms do.

Dick

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Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Hello Dave,

My little B.archeri that I grew up from seed (bought from RPS) show a lot of similarities with your palm... I also was in doubt about the identity of my palm...:)

Maybe this helps:

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18199&st=0&p=307016&hl=archeri&fromsearch=1&#entry307016

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Mine is certainly not a Butia eriospatha. The seeds were to tiny and I´m so familiar with B.eriospatha. This is a native palm here and also I have lots of volunteers that I regularly have to dig up. Sedlings of B.eriospatha also must be a LOT bigger after this years and the collors and shape of leaflets,all says it´s not the well known B.eriospatha!!!

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Kailua_Krish Veteran

Kailua_Krish

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I wish I had your problem Alberto! I have been trying to germinate B. eriospatha for about 3 years with different seed sources and I still have nothing to show for it :rage:

-Krishna

-Krishna

Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry!

Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala)

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Alberto,

Your Butia eriospatha is a beauty, and I see the bloom spathes are covered with rust tomentum. I'm green with envy since I don't have one. I planted what was supposed to be B. eriospatha years ago, but it turned out to be something else. Have you tried crossing it with Syagrus yet? I remember you crossed it with Jubaea last year.

Dick

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Richard Douglas

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Yes Dick,I crossed 4 of my eriospathas with pollen sent by Patric. The pollen donnor is probably one of your Jubaeas (? not sure) Last I sent him different hybrid seeds,also Butia eriospatha X Jubaea. My eriospathas have very fat trunks...combined with Jubaea they will be monster BxJ, I think!.:) In the future he will have some.... He also have young eriospathas from seeds that I sent him.

Butia eriospatha x Syagrus is not a frequent sight here,but regularly I see some accidental hybrids. My palms were less receptive to queen pollen then to Jubaea pollen.I tried this 2 times and had a poor seed set. The seeds I sent to some persons ´´around the word´´ and last I heard from one that he had 3 germinated (from 10 seeds) I´ll try this hybridisation again with other mother palms. Maybe the seed set will be better....

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Bump

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Moose Grand Master

Moose

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Yes Dick,I crossed 4 of my eriospathas with pollen sent by Patric. The pollen donnor is probably one of your Jubaeas (? not sure) Last I sent him different hybrid seeds,also Butia eriospatha X Jubaea. My eriospathas have very fat trunks...combined with Jubaea they will be monster BxJ, I think!. :) In the future he will have some.... He also have young eriospathas from seeds that I sent him.

Butia eriospatha x Syagrus is not a frequent sight here,but regularly I see some accidental hybrids. My palms were less receptive to queen pollen then to Jubaea pollen.I tried this 2 times and had a poor seed set. The seeds I sent to some persons ´´around the word´´ and last I heard from one that he had 3 germinated (from 10 seeds) I´ll try this hybridisation again with other mother palms. Maybe the seed set will be better....

Alberto - how about some pictures? B)

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

Stevetoad Grand Master

Stevetoad

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Since David h has been stumpheaded he can't answer but is his avatar livistona inermis and does anyone know if that was in his garden in Cali! I'm drooling here.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

Xerarch Grand Master

Xerarch

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StumpHead, lol, I haven't noticed this before, is this a new rank in response to that thread a while back about deleting your profile? Or has this been around a while for inactive accounts?

Corpus Christi, TX, near salt water, zone 9b/10a! Except when it isn't and everything gets nuked.

Stevetoad Grand Master

Stevetoad

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StumpHead, lol, I haven't noticed this before, is this a new rank in response to that thread a while back about deleting your profile? Or has this been around a while for inactive accounts?

It's what happens to you when you get banned from the forum. If you search stumphead you can find some of the first ones to get the title. Surfer jr., larami, and Clark are a few I see pop up with the title.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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