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Pinnate "Mexican" palm

PalmatierMeg

By PalmatierMeg
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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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On Friday night my husband & I went to a well known discount BB to look at water filters. While there we stopped at their "stocked by idiots for the gullible" plant nursery. While we wandered through, my husband looked at a shelf and said, "Did you see these 'Mexican' palms?"

"Probably Washingtonias," I said.

"No. These are pinnate," he answered. My husband, while not the palm afficionado I am, has learned a lot.

I looked. "What the...?" Which gave him immense glee. The price for a 3g triple was cheap so I grabbed one, which actually turned out to be $2 less than cheap.

On Saturday I separated the 3 palms and gave them their own 3g pots. So, I ask, What are these "Mexican" palms? I have some thoughts but will leave it to all of you to sort out - what fun! Here come the photos.

Label on pot from idiot BB nursery

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Triple "Mexican" palm group

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Trunks

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Crowns

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Palms unpotted and laid out on table

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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Here are the 3 "Mexican" palms in their separate pots

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Trunk of largest palm

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Closeup of frond

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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what year was it when you took these pix?

looks like mid 1960s from the cars... :lol:

sorry.

looks like ptychosperma to me.

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Jeff in St Pete Grand Master

Jeff in St Pete

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Meg, They look like young Adonidia merrillii to me.

Formerly Jeff in Costa Rica
 

totony Newbie

totony

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Meg, They look like young Adonidia merrillii to me.

Right. Over here at Mexico there are many Adonidia Merrilli, like the photo.

Ken Johnson Grand Master

Ken Johnson

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Looks like Meg buys her cars in Mexico. :blink: Falcon, Mustang, T Bird.

Kris, Look at them old Fords! :mrlooney:

Those palms should be about 10 cents each in this economy. :rage:

They are in no way from Mexico. :(

I thought I was going to Astrocaryum mexicana...run that by your husband. :winkie:

I DIG PALMS

Call me anytime to chat about transplanting palms.

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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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Looks like Meg buys her cars in Mexico. :blink: Falcon, Mustang, T Bird.

Kris, Look at them old Fords! :mrlooney:

Those palms should be about 10 cents each in this economy. :rage:

They are in no way from Mexico. :(

I thought I was going to Astrocaryum mexicana...run that by your husband. :winkie:

What can I say? My husband is a Ford man. The t-bird is hardly old (2002). The other two are no trailer queens. He drives the Mustang to work and makes the Ranchero haul mulch for the palms.

Ken, even a neophyte like me knows those triple palms are no Astrocaryums. No BB would risk a lawsuit if Ed or Edna Geezer or little Tommy Brat gets stuck by a 2-inch spine. My husband is very particular about palm spines. He likes them on Hyphaenes & Livistonas, not on Astrocaryums or Acanthrophoenix. On the other hand, his agaves are known to lash out at anyone passing by.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

Ken Johnson Grand Master

Ken Johnson

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Looks like Meg buys her cars in Mexico. :blink: Falcon, Mustang, T Bird.

Kris, Look at them old Fords! :mrlooney:

Those palms should be about 10 cents each in this economy. :rage:

They are in no way from Mexico. :(

I thought I was going to Astrocaryum mexicana...run that by your husband. :winkie:

What can I say? My husband is a Ford man. The t-bird is hardly old (2002). The other two are no trailer queens. He drives the Mustang to work and makes the Ranchero haul mulch for the palms.

Ken, even a neophyte like me knows those triple palms are no Astrocaryums. No BB would risk a lawsuit if Ed or Edna Geezer or little Tommy Brat gets stuck by a 2-inch spine. My husband is very particular about palm spines. He likes them on Hyphaenes & Livistonas, not on Astrocaryums or Acanthrophoenix. On the other hand, his agaves are known to lash out at anyone passing by.

I knew the bird was "new" but did not notice the Falcon was not a Falcon. That is the original car-truck.

Hooks are fine but don't plant a spine?

Fishtail juice on none of mine?

Phoenix thorns go deep

and Zombias just ain't cheep?

Wal will be jealous :mrlooney:

I DIG PALMS

Call me anytime to chat about transplanting palms.

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Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Looks like Meg buys her cars in Mexico. :blink: Falcon, Mustang, T Bird.

Kris, Look at them old Fords! :mrlooney:

Those palms should be about 10 cents each in this economy. :rage:

They are in no way from Mexico. :(

I thought I was going to Astrocaryum mexicana...run that by your husband. :winkie:

The Falcon is still made in Australia, although they've just changed it's name last year. The Fairlane was made until 2006. You often see old XP Falcons driving around here.

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I love the way this thread just meanders all over the place... :)

For an IPS member that a lot of cactus out front!! :hmm:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Moose Grand Master

Moose

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I love the way this thread just meanders all over the place... smilie.gif

For an IPS member that a lot of cactus out front!! rock.gif

Sorry Meg, I have to jump in here: Bill, for an IPS member - you have a lot of weeds out back! blink.gif

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Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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I love the way this thread just meanders all over the place... smilie.gif

For an IPS member that a lot of cactus out front!! :hmm:

Sorry Meg, I have to jump in here: Bill, for an IPS member - you have a lot of weeds out back! blink.gif

Alright wise-acre, wheres the pix of your front or back.. YARD.:hmm: (Please note the use of the word "YARD")

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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avb

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I love the way this thread just meanders all over the place... smilie.gif

For an IPS member that a lot of cactus out front!! :hmm:

Sorry Meg, I have to jump in here: Bill, for an IPS member - you have a lot of weeds out back! blink.gif

Alright wise-acre, wheres the pix of your front or back.. YARD.:hmm: (Please note the use of the word "YARD")

Those aren't weeds, those are collectible cars!

Also, Ken, if you're still here, Hudson made a "car-truck" in the 1940's I believe. Full size Ford Ranchero's became available in 1956 or 1957. They were available in Australia well before that, mid 1930's I think. Think how cool you would be hauling a yard of potting soil around in your 1941 Hudson "car-truck"?

Alan Brickey

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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this issue of ptychosprema elegans vs. adonidia merrillii IDs is also being hashed out in wolfgangs ("mpiodi") current thread, supporting my theory that these palms are indeed difficult to distinguish from each other,especially at an early age,as in both examples here. :interesting:

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

fiji jim Veteran

fiji jim

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If its not a Falcon or a Mustang or T-Bird it must be an Adonidia.

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Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

Kris Grand Master

Kris

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Looks like Meg buys her cars in Mexico. :blink: Falcon, Mustang, T Bird.

Kris, Look at them old Fords! :mrlooney:

Dear Ken :)

Thanks for the reminder...Yes iam looking at those beauties ! :)

Love,

kris :)

love conquers all..

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Trópico Grand Master

Trópico

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Amusing how they went very far in their mislabeling. Non palm people! Yes I agree with pohonkelapa as for the similar form of A. vs P. when young. Ptychosperma seem to be longer, straighter, and with more serrated leaflets. Those are Adonidia without a doubt, what other palm gets obsessively sold as a triplet? :rage:

I'm glad you took the time to separate them. They are super gorgeous as straight, thick solitary palms under the full sun. :drool:

Frank

 

Zone 9b pine flatlands

humid/hot summers; dry/cool winters

with yearly freezes

peachy Grand Master

peachy

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Car truck????? Don't you mean a UTE ? There are still a few of those old Falcon utes getting about here. I had an XC Falcon coupe for while years ago, (same model Mad Max drove) would have been a lovely car if I could have seen over the dashboard ! I think the palms are Ptychospermas. They probably would have sold more if labelled Sth Pacific palms. I recently bought a Licuala grandis, labelled Licuala ramsayii from a big store. I think I came out ahead on that deal.

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

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