Areca concinna

[Ntheastpalms]

I have the posting bug since Wal has given us Aussies a tune up

Sooo here we go, In my fathers garden he has a palm that was purchased as Areca triandra but the infructescence just dosen't strictly fit the description for Areca triandra it looks more like Areca concinna.

Areca triandra infruct is supposed to stay at or fall below the horizontal & Areca concinna is supposed to stay above the horizontal & be more vertical , if i'm wrong please correct me.

So without any more jibberin her are the photo's

Areca experts, what is your opinion??

[Gileno Machado]

Beautiful fruit also, whatever it is. I'm no Areca expert and we have to think that Arecas grown in cultivation may look different according to local conditions, air circulation and exposure. How old are these palms? It looks like they're fast growers...

[Tyrone]

Matt How cold does it get there? I wish my Arecas looked like that.

Best regards

Tyrone

[Ntheastpalms]

Hi Gileno

This palm is 5 years in the ground from an 8 inch pot, in the pot it was about 1 metre tall, so yes they are pretty fast growers.

G'Day Tyrone

It gets to about 3 deg C in the coldest part of winter here which is from mid July to the end of August.

The cold wind is much more of a problem as it really burns the leaves but the palm recovers quickly in spring.

[John in Andalucia]

PalmatierMeg in Florida would know, as she has seed-setting A. concinna in her garden.

[aussiearoids]

CHOICE MAtt , I have a few seedlings from a plant similar to this sp .

I must return to the place I collected seeds from and have another look .

Spare some seeds ?

[Tyrone]

Hi Gileno

This palm is 5 years in the ground from an 8 inch pot, in the pot it was about 1 metre tall, so yes they are pretty fast growers.

G'Day Tyrone

It gets to about 3 deg C in the coldest part of winter here which is from mid July to the end of August.

The cold wind is much more of a problem as it really burns the leaves but the palm recovers quickly in spring.

So would you be in easy coconut growing territory?

I wish I knew if what you had was concinna. But I don't. It's really nice though.

Best regards

Tyrone

[palmsOrl]

When I was at the Searle fall sale, they had a couple Areca concinna for sale. Based on what I remember, your palm looks the same as the ones I saw.

-Michael

[PalmatierMeg]

PalmatierMeg in Florida would know, as she has seed-setting A. concinna in her garden.

It looks a lot like my A. concinna but slightly more robust and with more seeds. They don't carry a lot of fronds and sometimes look a bit "rumpled". My husband thinks it's scruffy but I love it. But it is really cold sensitive.

Even after all our hard work to protect it from our wretched winter I'm really getting concerned that it's on life support. It's the last palm left that I really wanted to survive and I'll be really down if it dies like the others. I have 1/2 dozen seedlings surviving in 4" pots from its one and only seed harvest. Wish I'd kept more seeds.

[realarch]

Meg, I'm wondering if what I acquired as A. concinna is the real deal. Mine are still small in 1 gal. pots. Are they at

all distinctive at this stage? Are they any different looking than say triandra when young? I'll have to snap a photo.

Tim

[Ntheastpalms]

G'Day Michael

The seeds are very exclusive & therefore extremeley expensive but I'll see what I can do

Hi Tyrone

There is a coconut growing on the northern side of a house about a kilometer down the road from dads place which is about 4 or so metres tall & just beginning to form a trunk so I think that both Areca triandra & Areca concinna would be worth a try if you can keep the cold dry winter wind off them.

Thanks for the input Michael

Hi Meg

Thanks, you have made my day with an ID. Allthough its sad to hear your palm may not make it after your really cold winter in the USA

Hi Tim

The plant looked like any young Areca triandra when it was purchased. There was nothing unique about it at all.

[Tyrone]

Well I'm growing a Dwarf Malay coconut that is just forming a trunk but it does get winter help. I should try a triandra in the garden. I have quite a few seedlings in the tunnel that are going fine. I also have some A catechu var alba seed waiting to come up, so if I could get those going and a vestiara happy I'd be delighted.

Best regards

Tyrone

[Walter John]

That's a ripper Areca.

[The Palm Nut]

Thats looks identical to my Areca catechu though not as tall as mine. I havent had any success with it producing seed but the inflorences looks identical to it as well.

Cheers

Mike

[aussiearoids]

My A.catechu has much longer infloresences . The Rat Pack saw it recently , and it has had a few more since the visit late last year, but no seed set as of yet .

It is the unusual no petiole dwarf hybrid one .

Grown like the clappers over this wet season and now has 2m of trunk and roots busting out all over around the base of the trunk .

HAve you got some sort of key for the genus Matt ?

Approx what size are the seeds ?

Catechu seeds are easily 5cms long and 3cms across .

[Ntheastpalms]

Hi Michael

The seeds are much smaller than Areca catechu, I'd say about 12mm to 15mm long oval in shape with pointed ends & about 8mm to 10mm in diameter.

I will get a photo of the seeds for you in the next couple of days.

[Ntheastpalms]

Here is a photo of some of the seeds cleaned & ready for sowing.

I was a bit out with my initial measurments

Edited April 23, 2010 by Ntheastpalms

[John in Andalucia]

Meg, I'm wondering if what I acquired as A. concinna is the real deal. Mine are still small in 1 gal. pots. Are they at

all distinctive at this stage? Are they any different looking than say triandra when young? I'll have to snap a photo.

Tim

Tim, I'm growing several strap-leaf seedlings from Meg's A. concinna, but I've no experience with A. trianda. Stems and foliage are lime green, and the speckling on the stem is apparent on the leaves too.

[PalmatierMeg]

Here is a photo of some of the seeds cleaned & ready for sowing.

I was a bit out with my initial measurments

Those look about the right size for A. concinna. The thing I noticed most about the fruit from my palm is that there was almost no fruity "pulp" under the skin. Rather than peel the red skin off with a paring knife I skipped cleaning and just let them dry out.

And I have possible good news! It looks like my A. concinna is starting to open a new leaf (the spear just "unravels" from the tip rather than unfolding). I am growing more hopeful that it made it through our winter with our help. I will take photos over the weekend - and hope I'm not jinxing its recovery. I still don't know if it will set seed this year.

[Peter Pacific]

Here is a photo of some of the seeds cleaned & ready for sowing.

I was a bit out with my initial measurments

Those look about the right size for A. concinna. The thing I noticed most about the fruit from my palm is that there was almost no fruity "pulp" under the skin. Rather than peel the red skin off with a paring knife I skipped cleaning and just let them dry out.

And I have possible good news! It looks like my A. concinna is starting to open a new leaf (the spear just "unravels" from the tip rather than unfolding). I am growing more hopeful that it made it through our winter with our help. I will take photos over the weekend - and hope I'm not jinxing its recovery. I still don't know if it will set seed this year.

Hi Meg, I have one little seedling you gave me and it's fine. It's a fairly slow grower for me and is still smaller than John in Andalucia's photo. I orginally had it under shade cloth but now have it in full shade, it seems to like it better. Lots of water. Good Luck with yours.

All my best to you, Peter

[Ntheastpalms]

Woohoo thats good news Meg I hope your palm keeps recovering.

The fruit on the seeds was sort of well, not juicy but it was really hard to clean off the seeds. They certainly didn't have the abundance of flesh like a Wodyetia seed.

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

Hi

Just found this thread. My Areca Concinna has ripe fruit on it, with more coming.

The fruits are 40mm * 24mm and seed 40mm * 20mm approx.

This is a strong growing and pest resistance species, at least in the Far North Queensland.

It is easily distinguished from Areca Triandra, with much smaller fruits 30mm * 12mm and seed

20mm * 9mm approx, on my plants at least.

Hope this helps, if anyone wants a photo, just ask.

[PalmatierMeg]

Hello Justin, welcome to PalmTalk. Treasure those seeds. My A.c. had an excellent summer and I hope a kinder winter. The nursery where I bought mine in 2008 apparently lost all theirs in 2010. For some reason, I love Arecas but they are SO cold sensitive. I've established a small Areca "grove" around my rumpled concinna: A. catechu dwarf & semi-dwarf, A. trianda, A. vestiaria orange and maroon. All were planted in June so must face winter. I also have A. guppyana, A. ipot, A. vestiaria yellow and numerous A. latiloba in pots.

[aussiearoids]

Welcome Justin , great to see you here mate , Thanks heaps for those ab-fab Dypsis .. did you see the post ?

Consensus was it was the correct name .

Matt the seeds you sent me have sprouted and I will pot up soon .

My Areca Alley will be planted out soon .

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

Hi Meg

I to am a Areca lover, mainly due to there pest resistance and very tropical appearance.

I have Catechu , Catechu(round fruit), Ipot, Guppyana, Vestiaria Red and Maroon, Triandra , Concinna, SP from NG

(strange single trunk, moderate height, with small needle like leaflets), Macrocalyx, Dawf Catechu, and Areca Macrocalyx var. 'Marie'

Justin

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

HI Michael

Missed the markets today, did you go?

No I havent see the post yet, will look now.

[calyptrocalyx&licuala freck]

Hi Guys,

Hey Matt, they way to tell if you have A. trianda or A. conncina

is A.conncina has fragan smelling flowers a nice smell.

Cheers Mikey

[PalmatierMeg]

Hi Meg

I to am a Areca lover, mainly due to there pest resistance and very tropical appearance.

I have Catechu , Catechu(round fruit), Ipot, Guppyana, Vestiaria Red and Maroon, Triandra , Concinna, SP from NG

(strange single trunk, moderate height, with small needle like leaflets), Macrocalyx, Dawf Catechu, and Areca Macrocalyx var. 'Marie'

Justin

Great selection. I'd really love to try regular A. catechu (esp. alba) and A. macrocalyx but they get too tall for me to protect from the inevitable freeze. My A. concinna hasn't produced seeds since I bought it and I have a feeling my colder-than-Miami winters keep that from happening in Cape Coral.

BTW, I'd love to see photos of your palms.

[Ntheastpalms]

Hi Justin & Mikey

Thanks for the info & from memory the flowers did have a pleasant smell Mikey.

Michael, that is great news & I have heaps that I will have to pot up shortly myself.

[aussiearoids]

So Mikey [ or anyone ] what other differences between concinna and triandra ?

What Peter called triandra at Whyanbeel must have been comcinna cause it smelt fantastic sort of lemony sweet mmmm mmmm

It was a very fast grower with massive tall stems

nearly like bamboo ....

and PACSOA mention "Rarely seen in cultivation (most plants sold as A. concinna are actually A. triandra ) "

OR does concinna smell different to triandra and thats the only way to tell them apart ?

Edited November 29, 2010 by aussiearoids

[ariscott]

Hi Meg

I to am a Areca lover, mainly due to there pest resistance and very tropical appearance.

I have Catechu , Catechu(round fruit), Ipot, Guppyana, Vestiaria Red and Maroon, Triandra , Concinna, SP from NG

(strange single trunk, moderate height, with small needle like leaflets), Macrocalyx, Dawf Catechu, and Areca Macrocalyx var. 'Marie'

Justin

Justin, photos please... I like areca too. At the moment, I only have A. ipot (although I have a funny suspicion it isn't ipot), A. catechu, A. triandra, A. vestiara, A. camarinensis and I have been looking for A. macrocalyx and if possible A. catechu dwarf.

Regards, Ari

[calyptrocalyx&licuala freck]

Hi all

I'm just going off wot Arden told me years ago Michael,

next time ya see him ask him he'll know other differences dude.

Hey Ari, I think i have a spare A. macrocalyx when are

you guys coming down next I'll keep it aside, have you

got A. subicaulis a truely stunner of a palm small

I've got all but two ya want.

Cheers Guys, Mikey

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

I have no flowers to smell at the moment, but the fruit size speaks for it's self.

And as you can see from the photos both have upward facing infructescences ssssss lucky I don't lisp

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

All areca's fruiting at the moment

A Guppyana

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

A Ipot

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

A Catechu var 'yellow fruit"

[calyptrocalyx&licuala freck]

They all look great Justin,nice tall A.ipot.

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

A Catechu var "round fruit"

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

A vestiaria, Carpoxylon in background

[Tropicana Palm Traders]

A Vestiaria maroon