CIDP or Reclinata (differences in a young palm)

[Afripalm]

About a year ago I stumbled on what appeared to be a P. Reclinata at a sale in my local nursery. It was the only palm of its kind on sale and not labeled. As it was a doubler (a smaller pup alongside the larger palm), I assumed it was a clumper and therefore Reclinata. A year down the line I am not so sure any more! Compared with my Reclinata, the spines are stout and shorter than the Reclinata's and the tips of the fronds are not recurved in the same way. The spines also have a more yellow tinge and it is altogether a more regular shaped palm than my hap hazard Reclinata. Does anybody have a definitive method of differentiating the two? I think I may be transplanting - if this is indeed a CIDP as the original space I made for it will surely not be adequate. I will post some pics later on.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers Jeff

[peachy]

Jeff I cant help out with telling the difference at a young age but noticed you said there wasnt enough room for a CIDP. My P. reclinata with its multiple trunks is 1.6 metres across the base and with its fronds 4 metres and up, it takes up far more space than a CIDP ever could. Just a personal observation

Peachy

[Jonathan]

I'd agree with Peachy on that...a mature clump of reclinata will take up a lot more air space (and ground) than a CIDP!

Cheers,

Jonathan

[Afripalm]

Good point Peachy and Johnathan, however, my intention is to retain only two or maximum three stems of the Reclinata and to cut back or prune any unwanted suckers, thereby creating a slender clump. Also the reclinata fronds are held more erect and with regular pruning thereby creating a "higher" canopy. Anyway that was my thinking then - but now with the prospect of a double CIDP (does such a monster actually exist?) time to consider transplanting if it is indeed CIDP.

Cheers Jeff

[newtothis]

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[sarasota alex]

There are lots of hybrids out there. I would say that most date palms coming from less than reputable growers are not 100% pure bread. Some growers may think that they are selling a reclinata but in reality it may be reclinata x canariensis

[Afripalm]

Wow, this is a beaut - not the monster I thought it would be! But unfortunately my limited space won't allow for this.

First is the pic of the mystery entity. Then a pic of its spines and lastly a pic of my Reclinata for comparison.

Any opinions on what Phoenix it is?

Cheers Jeff

[BS Man about Palms]

All 3 pix look to be reclinata to me, or least a hybrid of. Certainly not future CIDP size.

I have been to a house with "clumping CIDP's" It was BIG. I still kick myself for not taking some pictures.

[Kris]

Dear Jeff

To me it appears to be a hybrid and not a pure phoenix.

And it looks like a Reclinata x Cidp x Rupicola hybrid.Since it shows properties of the mentioned 3 varities..

But it will not put out a massive trunk like CIDP,as its a hybrid.So not Worry about it.And are the leaf & the leaflets soft to touch or is it tempered & stiff ?

And your palm is a beauty...

And here is a still of the P.Rec x P.Cidp that was sent to me by brother M@x,And it does appear close to your palm but no clumps seen till now...

Love,

kris

[Afripalm]

Dear Jeff

To me it appears to be a hybrid and not a pure phoenix.

And it looks like a Reclinata x Cidp x Rupicola hybrid.Since it shows properties of the mentioned 3 varities..

But it will not put out a massive trunk like CIDP,as its a hybrid.So not Worry about it.And are the leaf & the leaflets soft to touch or is it tempered & stiff ?

And your palm is a beauty...

And here is a still of the P.Rec x P.Cidp that was sent to me by brother M@x,And it does appear close to your palm but no clumps seen till now...

Love,

kris

Thanks Kris, I was hoping you might chip in - as I think you are generally acknowledged as the CIDP expert!

It is a relief to hear that it is probably a hybrid and will have a more slender trunk than a CIDP - due to the space constraints where it is planted. The leaflets are rather stiff and she is a real beaut thanks - looking forward to see how he/she turns out in years to come

Cheers Jeff

[Mike in Nelson]

I have a Phoenix that I thought was CIDP until it started suckering. Comparing it now to another CIDP of mine, it definitely looks different. Will take a photo and see what you all think.

[gyuseppe]

the leaves resemble something of phoenix rupicola hybrid

[Mike in Nelson]

Here are some pics of my suckering Phoenix. Any ideas on the id? Perhaps a hybrid?

[Afripalm]

Here are some pics of my suckering Phoenix. Any ideas on the id? Perhaps a hybrid?

These pics look almost a carbon copy of my palm when I bought it approx a year ago and the sucker on it caused me to believe it was a Reclinata. And yours has the same stout and yellow tinged spines unlike the Reclinata's which are long, slender green knitting needles. I have to believe that it must be a similar hybrid to mine - most likely CIDP X Reclinata - as Kris has suggested. I would be curious to know what a mature hybrid such as this looks like - anyone have pics or further thoughts?

Cheers Jeff

[Kris]

Dear Mike

your palm has some sylversteris blood in it,Since i had grown few here in our garden.But i see clumps,So not sure to which phoenix its hybridised with ? But iam sure they will all look very beautiful & unique once they put out hard trunk.And you can always cut down clumps if it is not desired..

Love,

kris

[Mike in Nelson]

Dear Mike

your palm has some sylversteris blood in it,Since i had grown few here in our garden.But i see clumps,So not sure to which phoenix its hybridised with ? But iam sure they will all look very beautiful & unique once they put out hard trunk.And you can always cut down clumps if it is not desired..

Love,

kris

Thanks for the info. I am very interested in how this palm will look when it grows more. I have a genuine CIDP in a pot nearby this one and now I can really see the differences.

[Kris]

Dear Mike

you are welcome,And kindly keep us updated as it grows bigger...Iam very curious to know !

Love,

kris