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I'm hoping for the best as far as saving my CIDP from Fusarium, but not expecting any miracles, so I'm thinking about what to put in its place.

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As you can see, its both huge and the centerpiece of my back palm bed, so I'm at a loss as far as what to put in its place. Something small there would just look ridiculous in my opinion, and moreover, would probably not provide enough shade to some of the surrounding plants (such as Rhopalostylis sapida). I can't plant another CIDP, and the only other palm with as much girth is a Jubaea, which would look awesome but isn't really affordable (unless prices have dropped in the last couple years).

So I'm open to all ideas - I hope you all have some.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

Posted

What about a nice Caryota gigas ? They are pretty fat and grow reasonably fast too.

Peachy

I came. I saw. I purchased

 

 

27.35 south.

Warm subtropical, with occasional frosts.

Posted

What about a big Jubaea?

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Tulio

Lutz, Florida

Posted

Ouch!

Justin, sorry to hear!

Hmm.

A jube would be the natural choice, but, yeah, they are really really slow, and/or expensive like you mentioned.

A parajube tor-tor would work, but finding a big one will be tough. I have a bunch, they're lovely, but they're also a bit on the slow side.

A roystonea will work, though they get kind of ratty in the winter winds sometimes, which I recall you mentioning during the big party down there . . . .

A grove of Caryota urens would also look striking, and they get huge fast. I have two that are close to 60 feet (20 M) after about five years from five-gallon babies. The trunks are white, and they look great. There are two drawbacks, though: They mature and die relatively fast, after about thirteen years, which means you'll have massive monster trunks to remove, and (worse) they tend to tip over in the wind.

You already have C. gigas, so I'll assume you want something different.

Another possibility is a large Ravenea rivularis, majesty palm. Large ones are available, and, with some looking, you might find one for a good price. I've found that they put on girth fast, but height much less so. Their big drawback is that they're thirstier than yours truly on a wild night out . . . .

Hmm . . .

Thinking of some more.

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Posted

I saw a mature Beccariophoenix in Rio de Janeiro. The fronds are very long.The crown is BIG,so it produces a lot of shade and isn´t the slowest palm....

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Posted

A mule palm, Butiagrus, would also work. It won't be as big as the CIDP, but it'll be big and bold enough to get the effect you want. Where to find a big one? Hmm. I'll bet they're around if you look. A parajube-queen cross might also be good, though I don't know how fast they are, and I know they're rare (and pricey for large ones).

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Posted

Justin,

To mirror the theme of the book end P. dactyliferas I'd go with a huge multistemmed P. reclinata if you're looking for something big that will provide shade. You can even have them set it at an angle out towards the grass so the back stems are vertical and the front stems lean over the grass area.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

Matty B,

Thanks for the suggestion. I was just out at lunch and saw a nice specimen of P. reclinata, and thought the same thing. Great minds think alike - and apparently ours do too.

One question, though - is there any risk of the fusarium infecting the reclinata? I know that many of the Phoenix species are not 100% "pure" due to inter-genera hybrids. So for example, if there was a small bit of P. canariensis "blood" in the reclinata, would it run the risk of getting sick?

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

Posted

What about a large(huge) Bismarkia?

Or maybe a fat W.filfera?

-Jonathan

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Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

Posted

how about a statue of me

Posted

Fusarium cannot be cured, ever. I have talked to so many people about this and there are methods that work in controlling the infection, but eventually they all lose the battle. If the big CIDP in the middle has it, take it out soon so it is not spread to the other two palms. As far as what to replace it with, all choices listed are good ones.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

Posted

Matty B,

One question, though - is there any risk of the fusarium infecting the reclinata? I know that many of the Phoenix species are not 100% "pure" due to inter-genera hybrids. So for example, if there was a small bit of P. canariensis "blood" in the reclinata, would it run the risk of getting sick?

Now that's a great question. Obviously, you'd want to look for the P. reclinata with the skinniest trunks and the most regular leaflets you could find......or you can aviod the whole Fusarium problem, and make a huge clump out of some boxed Roystoneas!!!!!!! That would keep the semetry there mirroring your other base plantings already in existance.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

I would put another Bizzie in the middle and one to the left. Three Bizzies with the two Dacs you have would look good.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Posted

Hmm.

Might be worth the trouble to find a nice, big Jube. But, the moving is going to be expensive. They're just big fat tanks of sugar water, VERY heavy.

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Posted

I would put another Bizzie in the middle and one to the left. Three Bizzies with the two Dacs you have would look good.

I've given this some thought. Vista Tree Farms used to have some ENORMOUS Bizzies - I'm going to see if they still have them. I'm also looking for some large Jubaeas, but don't know of any sources.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

Posted

I would put another Bizzie in the middle and one to the left. Three Bizzies with the two Dacs you have would look good.

I've given this some thought. Vista Tree Farms used to have some ENORMOUS Bizzies - I'm going to see if they still have them. I'm also looking for some large Jubaeas, but don't know of any sources.

I'll keep my eye out. You never know what you'll find.

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Posted

Most Bizzies if large and rooted in don't transport well. Usually die.

Call Gary Levine for a Jubea with a headstart

OR

Jungle Music has some boxed Royals that are sun grown and you could do a clump of Royals which is what I thought when I first started reading this thread.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Posted

Justinian!

Know what?

Try try try to find yourself a Jube or die . . .

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Posted

Do not buy teh ones from VTFs. They will die. I spent months cutting one out with Evan. Rancho Soledad just brought in som nice sized ones.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Posted

A nice attalea dubia cohune colenda ....

Sol Cooper

Hobart Tasmania

42 degrees South

Mild climate - mostly frost free

Posted

What about a Parajubaea torallyi?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

A Parajubaea would be nice, but I've never seen one of any real size available. Given how much area the CIDP takes up, anything much smaller would leave a gaping hole, and the plants depending on the CIDP's shade would be screwed.

My better half told me this morning "I really liked those chilean wine palms we saw yesterday" - she didn't see the price, however. I haven't yet either - hopefully they've come down since 2003-04, which is the last time I looked.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

Posted

I know where to score some big Jubaeas in boxes (does this surprise anybody?). About $1,500.00 per foot CT.

Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

San Angelo Cold Hardy Palms and Cycads

Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

Posted

I'm still looking at that spot and thinking....

What about a large showy tree like Eucalyptus deglupta? Justin, you know trees better than most of us. What could go there? You'd want it evergreen, right? But you need to start big in order to save the understory stuff? Hmmmmmm, tough one. What about Brachychiton rupestris. Bruce has some pretty big ones for great prices.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

What about one of those huge clumps of Archontophoenix. I've seen groups of 12 that look awesome! Like a huge crownshafted P. reclinata.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

large livistona trio?

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

Matty B, if I can't score another mammoth palm, I think a multi-trunked palm or a large tree is the route I'll go. Unfortunately, no tree really fits the bill. I would want evergreen, which rules out a lot of trees. For evergreens, I wouldn't want something that runs the risk of freezing (e.g., a Eucalyptus deglupta). So I asked about an Ombu tree on the "Plants Wanted" forum - no response yet. But a multi-trunked Archontophoenix or multi-trunked Roystonea might work well.

Lastly, I sincerely appreciate all of the thought that you all have put into this. It's a tough time, so its good to have good friends.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

Posted

You're welcome Justin. As much as I'm bummed about your Fusarium problem, I do enjoy thinking of new planting ideas.

As far as E. deglupta goes, I know from personal experience it'll take down to 32F (bananas froze next to it). I've read that it'll take a bit lower once older. How cold do you get?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

I had a Eucalyptus deglupta, and it died a couple years back from the cold. So I'm not inclined to plant another one, certainly not in a centerpiece location.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

Posted (edited)

Does Elaeis guineensis grow in SoCal?

A big Baobab would look awsome..

-Jonathan

Edited by Xenon

Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

Posted

I agree that a big Baobab would look awesome. I have never seen one for sale, and frankly I have no idea how it would do in this climate. I think the closest proxy for this area is an Ombu.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

Posted

I agree that a big Baobab would look awesome. I have never seen one for sale, and frankly I have no idea how it would do in this climate. I think the closest proxy for this area is an Ombu.

Hmm.

I think an Ombu would be TOO enormous, even for your place. They really get huge.

How about multiple majesties, of different heights?

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Posted

If you have a climate to grow the corypha's then the talipot palms will look great in that spot,But do you like the fan palms...? :hmm:

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And as dave said the Baobab's are beautiful trees too,here are some links for you !

http://www.baobabs.com/Baobabs_av.htm

http://www.baobabs.c...babs_photos.htm

And this happens to be my favouriate variety..

http://www.baobabs.c...cultivation.htm

And never take planting descisions fast,decide what you want to grow there...

Love,

kris.

love conquers all..

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Posted

I don't think Coryphas would do well here at all, unfortunately. I do like the giant fan palms - especially when the trunks are still not very big, and the fronds are enormous.

Resident of Puerto de la Cruz, Tenerife, San Diego, CA and Pahoa, HI.  Former garden in Vista, CA.  Garden Photos

Posted

Hey Justin,

I think Jeff Rood has a pretty big P. torallyii if you want to go that route. They seem to be fairly fast once they get some size on them.

San Fernando Valley, California

Posted

Tahina? Can't find a big one though.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Posted

Justin, I actually like Matty B idea. If you can't go Jubaea the next best thing I think would be Brachychiton Rupestris, large trunk and very attractive. As far as evergreen tree's, I have three Kigelia Africana that are gorgeous and they never lose their leaves, even in the dead of winter.

Gary

Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

Posted

A big fat trunked xButiagrus would look beautiful in that spot....although I might be a little biased!

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Posted

Just a thought, there's a great big Jubaea up here in northern california where the job market and house market (especially) has been hit REAL hard, and, I believe the nursery owners (I have heard) might be in a bit of legal trouble a la Tony Montana style (in the queen palms, heh heh..) so they might be in the mood to part with it cheap to fund their legal campaign. Plus, It's been sitting in front of this nursery in a box for at least 8 years- it's probably rooted in the ground now. One other note, they probably think it's a CDIP.

Anyways, It's got about 15-20 feet of clean trunk. I'll swing by and take a picture today.

Highway 5 is right down the road from us.......... A rig and a crane and it's there...

Oakley, California

55 Miles E-NE of San Francisco, CA

Solid zone 9, I can expect at least one night in the mid to low twenties every year.

Hot, dry summers. Cold, wet winters.

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